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[Ocho]

The only phones that need a jailbreak for tethering are the HTC ones. With LG, Dell or Samsung phones you can enable it via service mode.

What do you mean by 'service mode'?

 

[dream]

Very true, sir. But they did. What now? You're giving up on a very solid OS?

Is it really any better than the other platforms out there though?

The thing is, WP7 isn't selling and Microsoft keeps giving people more and more reasons not to buy it. There just doesn't seem to be any sense of urgency from a company that's on the verge of losing whatever relevance they have in the mobile space.

 

[Stinkles]

New update to Halo Waypoint app coming soon and it is supercool. Great companion to game, even while you're playing. Stats, friends, challenges, achievements and messaging in one place.

 

[brotkasten]

Is it really any better than the other platforms out there though?

The thing is, WP7 isn't selling and Microsoft keeps giving people more and more reasons not to buy it. There just doesn't seem to be any sense of urgency from a company that's on the verge of losing whatever relevance they have in the mobile space.

Depends on who you're talking to ...

New update to Halo Waypoint app coming soon and it is supercool. Great companion to game, even while you're playing. Stats, friends, challenges, achievements and messaging in one place.

That was another thing I was thinking about. Why didn't they have a Halo:CE version for WP7 at launch? Such a missed opportunity.

 

[Vanillalite]

Games in general are a missed opportunity. With all of their contacts through their game's division you'd think they'd try and get some bigger titles.

 

[antiquegamer]

WP7 have been full of misopportunities since launch. They really should have done a soft launch and do a full push this year when Mango stuff is ready. Though I have a feeling they are droping WP7 names and going to relaunch the phone this fall.

When the phone little bug and quirk doesn't get in the way, it's one of the best mobile device I have used. I love reading news on it, even kindle book app is great when I can't pull out my iPad, and that UI is just pure joy to use.

 

[brotkasten]

Games in general are a missed opportunity. With all of their contacts through their game's division you'd think they'd try and get some bigger titles.

They had a good list of launch partners, but somehow we didn't see much from them. MS is so good at "funding" (timed) exclusives or ports for their console, but when it comes to WP7, we don't see them putting much effort in that part of XBL (shocking, I know). You know what would be cool? Introducing native access for (game) developers at MIX11. Hmm, yeah. That would be really cool.

 

[JWong]

So I just saw this...

http://www.gsmarena.com/wp7_update_for_samsung_phones_halted_due_to_performance_issues-news-2356.php

New WP7 update bricking Samsung phones.

 

[CaptainABAB]

My biggest problem with the WP7 is not the slow updates or the buggy software or the marketplace crash, it's one missing feature: tethering. It's such a shame Microsoft killed off the jailbreak scene so early :/

I have a feeling that this feature is something carriers want to charge extra for.

For example, the new Verizon iPhone has a new HotSpot feature but you have to pay an extra $20 a month to use it.

Same thing with turn-by-turn directions - AT&T has a free WP7 app called "AT&T Navigator" with voice-guided navigation. The downside? It requires a monthly or daily subscription.

I was worried that including THESE features in a WP7 update would cause it to be blocked by carriers. Not performance fixes and copy-n-paste.

 

[brotkasten]

So I just saw this...

http://www.gsmarena.com/wp7_update_for_samsung_phones_halted_due_to_performance_issues-news-2356.php

New WP7 update bricking Samsung phones.

A major problem happened almost 24h ago? Hey, I didn't know that. Maybe we should talk about that in here, the official WP7 thread.

snip

I was worried that including THESE features in a WP7 update would cause it to be blocked by carriers. Not performance fixes and copy-n-paste.

It wouldn't help them. They can only block one update and the update after that includes the previous update, so the users will get it anyway. Sucks that I can't find the source for this, so don't quote me on that.

 

[kehs]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/23/leaked-windows-phone-7-ads-challenge-your-phone-head-to-head/

Challenges include taking a photo and posting it to Facebook, checking Xbox achievements, getting directions, and telling meeting participants you're running late.

Something tells me they won't include android/CM7 that has custom gesture to launch app unlock screen.

=D

 

[PSGames]

WP7 is such a beautiful OS. If they could only get some stand-out hardware to showcase it and work out the software kinks. Maybe everything will come together this fall when Nokia launches their first WP7 device.

WP7 have been full of misopportunities since launch. They really should have done a soft launch and do a full push this year when Mango stuff is ready. Though I have a feeling they are droping WP7 names and going to relaunch the phone this fall.

What gives you that impression? And just what could they name it besides "Windows Phone"? I'm coming up with a blank.

 

[antiquegamer]

WP7 is such a beautiful OS. If they could only get some stand-out hardware to showcase it and work out the software kinks. Maybe everything will come together this fall when Nokia launches their first WP7 device.

What gives you that impression? And just what could they name it besides "Windows Phone"? I'm coming up with a blank.

I don't know but all Nokia press conference, WP7 is all but missing, they just refer to it as Windows Phone. May be Windows Phone 8!

 

[Windu]

I don't know but all Nokia press conference, WP7 is all but missing, they just refer to it as Windows Phone. May be Windows Phone 8!

well in the commercials they also just say Windows Phone.

 

[brotkasten]

This is awesome for WP7 in Europe:

Orange enables carrier billing for WP7 apps

By Anne Morris

Orange said it is launching a new service in France this week that will enable customer to buy contents and apps on Windows Phone 7 handsets and pay for them via their mobile phone bill.

The service will be launched on 23rd February in France, with the UK to follow soon afterwards. The service will essentially allow Orange customers to buy applications on Windows Phone Marketplace but pay for them on the same bill for their general mobile phone usage.

Orange claims it is the first operator in Europe to offer the use of the customer’s mobile bill to pay for content bought from the Windows Phone Marketplace. Carrier billing is already a feature on the Windows Phone 7, thanks to Microsoft’s deal with MACH for its Direct Billing Gateway (DBG) service. Microsoft has already launched this service with Telstra in Australia.

...

Orange enables carrier billing for WP7 apps

I hope T-Mo and the rest follows soon.

 

[antiquegamer]

So I didn't know stuff you download over wi-fi onto your phone can't be redownload via zune software. This suck. They need better app management on the Zune software that let you delete, keep whatever you download so when you get new phone you don't have to re-download everything (or have to manually delete all the crap you deleted previously but now redlownload to your phone when it sync up).

Have they said anything about this? I hope it's one of the top thing for Zune software team to fix along with podcast management.

And yeah, living with 8gb on the phone blow big time.

 

[brotkasten]

So I didn't know stuff you download over wi-fi onto your phone can't be redownload via zune software. This suck. They need better app management on the Zune software that let you delete, keep whatever you download so when you get new phone you don't have to re-download everything (or have to manually delete all the crap you deleted previously but now redlownload to your phone when it sync up).

Have they said anything about this? I hope it's one of the top thing for Zune software team to fix along with podcast management.

And yeah, living with 8gb on the phone blow big time.

The Zune software doesn't really have any app management. You can download them and the XAP files will be copied to your phone, but that's it. I asked about it, but didn't get an answer. Seeing how Zune 4.7 is really just the same old Zune 4.x software with tacked on WP7 support, we can hope so see a major leap with the next version of Zune/Live/Whatever.

In other news:

Ilomilo gets free DLC with 23 new levels and more. Once you start the game, it will automatically download the new content.

The update features:

- The story of ilo and milo continue through two new gorgeous worlds.
- 23 new levels of cubistic puzzles!
- New eggs to find in order to unlock two new challenging bonus levels!
- New brain teasing cubes!

XBL for WP7: With high prices comes free DLC? ... I wish ... :lol

 

[Vanillalite]

Well the person that made the joke about ilomilo being the only good thing post launch can be right now since ilomilo was a launch thing for me, but DLC is post launch!

Sweet I'll download this and try it a little before bed! Best WP7 game just got well BETTER!

 

[venne]

As a change of pace from all the belly aching in this thread, I'll mention something that really impresses me - wireless sync.

One of the things that I really wanted in my next/first smartphone was a USB3 connection. I wanted it to be a fast a possible. Now, I don't care about that. I'd rather never bother hooking the device up to my computer. Ever. I am impressed that the pictures and videos my wife takes are automagically added to our library. I like that she always has the latest podcasts on her device. It's really terrific.

Is there a way to set up Zune so new music will beam to her device at every sync?

 

[Vanillalite]

As a change of pace from all the belly aching in this thread, I'll mention something that really impresses me - wireless sync.

One of the things that I really wanted in my next/first smartphone was a USB3 connection. I wanted it to be a fast a possible. Now, I don't care about that. I'd rather never bother hooking the device up to my computer. Ever. I am impressed that the pictures and videos my wife takes are automagically added to our library. I like that she always has the latest podcasts on her device. It's really terrific.

Is there a way to set up Zune so new music will beam to her device at every sync?

As far as I know you'd still have to manually sync over new stuff from your comp.

I blame this setting not being there for the same reasons stated above. While Zune 4.7 is a step in the right direction it still doesn't seem designed directly with WP7 in mind. I think stuff like this would be big things for a Zune 5.0 client!

 

[Ocho]

So, I've got a couple of gripes/questions regarding the mail app (whice maybe were commented before, but I won't read 90+ pages of posts, so please bear with me):

First: Do I really always need to download the images? Can't they automatically download? I'm sure there's a toggle somwhere I failed to see?

Second: This can be a Gmail only thing, but whenever I 'delete' a mail it actually 'archives' it on the server. Can that be modified? I don't really want to archive it.

Thanks in advance.

 

[brotkasten]

Holy shit, hell freezes over, the impossible happened, you name it.

The Windows Phone team is talking about the update issues. They're actually being transparent. They posted a Q&A on the WP blog. We get real answers and information. This is so ... weird!

It’s been roughly 48 hours since we hit the send button on our first Windows Phone software update. The rooms around me are buzzing with folks monitoring the rollout, sifting carefully through incoming phone health data (from customers who provide it) and pouring over the anecdotal update reports you’ve been posting around the web.

You’ve said loud and clear that you want to be kept in the loop. So here’s what we’ve learned so far.

Contrary to some of the gloomy headlines out there, our preliminary internal data paints a very different picture about update progress:

• 90 percent of people who’ve received an update notification have installed the new software patch successfully. (So when your turn to download it arrives, chances are good this will be a non-event.)
• Of the 10 percent who did experience a problem, nearly half failed for two basic reasons—a bad Internet connection or insufficient computer storage space. Luckily, both are easy to fix.

Has the update process has gone perfectly? No—but few large-scale software updates ever do, and the engineering team here was prepared. Of course, when it’s your phone that’s having a problem—or you’re the one waiting—it’s still aggravating. That’s why we’re committed to learning from our first update and improving the process. We know we have work to do, and we won’t be satisfied until you are.

As the teams here continue to monitor the ongoing update, I’ll report back if there are any other noteworthy developments. Meanwhile, let me address a few other questions I’ve been seeing, here and elsewhere.

Q: I’ve read there are problems updating Samsung phones. Is this true?

A: We’ve identified a technical issue with the Windows Phone update process that impacts a small number of Samsung phones. We’re working to correct the problem as quickly as possible. But as a precaution, we’ve briefly suspended updates to Samsung phones. We are continuing to update other Windows Phone models as scheduled.

Q: How can I make the update go more smoothly when my turn comes?

A: Given what we’ve learned so far, the best way to prepare for your update is to make sure your computer has an Internet connection and plenty of disk space before you begin. Why? Because before updating your phone, the Zune software and Windows Phone 7 Connector for Mac attempt to back up your phone data as a precaution. For more details, see Make room on my computer for phone updates.

Q: If I have questions or a problem with the update, where can I get help?

A: This troubleshooter addresses several update-related error messages. Another great source for troubleshooting info is the Windows Phone forum on Microsoft Answers. Finally, see our complete set of Phone update articles on the Windows Phone website.

Q: Can every Windows Phone receive this update?

A: Yes. All Windows Phone 7 devices are eligible for updates.

Q: Can I get this update “over the air” via my carrier’s cellular network?

A: No. The only way to update your phone is to connect it to your computer and update it via either the Zune software or the Windows Phone 7 Connector for Mac. (Only the update notification is sent over the air to your phone.)

Q: I don’t live in the U.S. Will the update process work differently where I am?

A: No. Everyone with a Windows Phone 7 in a supported market will receive a notification when new updates become available, and will have to update their phones by connecting it to their computer and running either the Zune software or the Windows Phone 7 Connector for Mac.

Q: I still haven’t received an update notification yet. When can I expect it?

A: It’s hard to predict because it depends on many factors. It could be days—or even weeks—before you’re able to update your phone.

Q: Why can the process take so long?

A: The simple truth is that the smartphone world is complex, and even a small update like this requires a coordinated effort by multiple companies to pull off.

Another reason is that Microsoft and the carriers we’ve partnered with around the world need time to test phone updates to make sure they meet our joint quality, performance, and reliability standards. Testing schedules can vary, and that affects when you’ll be able to download an update.

We’re working closely with our worldwide partners to determine update delivery schedules and also looking for ways to improve the process.

Q: What happens if I don’t update my phone?

A: Even if you skip this update, you’ll still eventually receive it. The patch will simply be bundled together with our next update.

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...-answers-about-our-first-software-update.aspx

 

[Vanillalite]

Well those numbers don't seem TOOO bad though to be fair they stopped rolling out to Samsung Customers so they cut the numbers off when they got wind of the problem. 1 out of 10 still isn't good, but it's really more like .5/10 because the connection or space issue isn't on their end.

 

[quin]

Has there been any news on the status of support for East Asian languages in Windows Phone 7?

 

[jgkspsx]

I really need to get a new phone, and soon. About my only criteria is "smartphone that is not an iphone", though a physical keyboard is a big plus. I am considering the HTC Acquire or Affirmative or whatever on Sprint.

I was an early Pre adopter, and in retrospect, I wish I hadn't been. It's a great phone now, but for the first six months it was pretty awful. It sounds like WinPhone7 has been in the same state, but with the C&P etc. patch, it might be much improved. (Does anybody know what else that patch is supposed to contain?)

It looks like landscape mode was a very low priority, as in videos things don't quite work right. IE seems to be a bad offender, but the arrow keys seem to do nothing in many of the stock apps, which negates most of the reasons I want a keyboard.

I really like the WinPhone7 development experience from my experiments with it. I like but don't care especially about the Xbox integration besides being able to develop for it easily.

I do not care for Bing (having given it a chance) and while IE9 is a huge improvement, it ain't Chrome yet. Are there (or will there ever be) any choices there?

Is there a comprehensive "State of the Platform" writeup anywhere?

 

[brotkasten]

Has there been any news on the status of support for East Asian languages in Windows Phone 7?

It's supposed to be in the 'mango' update, coming in the second half of this year.

I really need to get a new phone, and soon. About my only criteria is "smartphone that is not an iphone", though a physical keyboard is a big plus. I am considering the HTC Acquire or Affirmative or whatever on Sprint.

I was an early Pre adopter, and in retrospect, I wish I hadn't been. It's a great phone now, but for the first six months it was pretty awful. It sounds like WinPhone7 has been in the same state, but with the C&P etc. patch, it might be much improved. (Does anybody know what else that patch is supposed to contain?)

It looks like landscape mode was a very low priority, as in videos things don't quite work right. IE seems to be a bad offender, but the arrow keys seem to do nothing in many of the stock apps, which negates most of the reasons I want a keyboard.

I really like the WinPhone7 development experience from my experiments with it. I like but don't care especially about the Xbox integration besides being able to develop for it easily.

I do not care for Bing (having given it a chance) and while IE9 is a huge improvement, it ain't Chrome yet. Are there (or will there ever be) any choices there?

Is there a comprehensive "State of the Platform" writeup anywhere?

The first update is supposed to bring CDMA support, Copy/Paste, faster app loading and other performance improvements and bug fixes. That's all we know about it.

In WP7 you can only navigate the text cursor with the arrow keys and this is by design.

If you don't like Bing or IE, I suggest you to buy the HTC G2/Desire Z with Android. It's a great and fast phone with a good hardware keyboard.

 

[Vanillalite]

I really need to get a new phone, and soon. About my only criteria is "smartphone that is not an iphone", though a physical keyboard is a big plus. I am considering the HTC Acquire or Affirmative or whatever on Sprint.

I was an early Pre adopter, and in retrospect, I wish I hadn't been. It's a great phone now, but for the first six months it was pretty awful. It sounds like WinPhone7 has been in the same state, but with the C&P etc. patch, it might be much improved. (Does anybody know what else that patch is supposed to contain?)

It looks like landscape mode was a very low priority, as in videos things don't quite work right. IE seems to be a bad offender, but the arrow keys seem to do nothing in many of the stock apps, which negates most of the reasons I want a keyboard.

I really like the WinPhone7 development experience from my experiments with it. I like but don't care especially about the Xbox integration besides being able to develop for it easily.

I do not care for Bing (having given it a chance) and while IE9 is a huge improvement, it ain't Chrome yet. Are there (or will there ever be) any choices there?

Is there a comprehensive "State of the Platform" writeup anywhere?

Coming from a Chrome user (I'm on the dev version) honestly throw your desktop browser ideas out the window. Mobile browsers are just a different deal. That being said the WP7 isn't the best, but it mainly get the job done. It'll be fine when we get the update though as it should fix the main issue we all have which is interactive sites and well video. Mobile Safari isn't well Safari and neither is Android's stock browser well Chrome. They are just different beasts. Ditto with mobile FF.

IMO the key feature is how much you enjoy zune. I liked and used zune before I ever got a MS device either a Zune MP3 player or a WP7 device as I randomly tried it when version 3 came out with the big redesign. In general it's what drew me to the platform beyond the UI.

 

[VanMardigan]

Is there a way to set up Zune so new music will beam to her device at every sync?

I think you can accomplish that with a smart playlist. I'd have to double check tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure one of my playlists is set to sync new music with my phone.

 

[Vanillalite]

So I got the Ilo update, and it wanted to update XBL Extras as well. The update wouldn't install right for Extras though. I ended up just deleting the update and the app. Then I just reinstalled and everything seems good. Not sure what the update did though.

 

[jgkspsx]

Thanks for the advice! I know mobile browsers have little/no connection to desktop browsers, but I've gotten awfully attached to webkit for mobile devices in general.

Partly, I guess, it's branding: IE has toxic subconscious connotations for me. But Bing ain't my thing. No way to default to Google for browser search at least? (I guess I could test this in the emulator, ha.)

So is there any way to load music on it without going through Zune? I'm a mediamonkey user (it's the best of a disappointing lot), and am not going to give it up.

(And not to derail the thread with Android stuff, but I take it that the arrow keys do scrolling, link selection, etc. with the Android phones you mention? I seem to recall it working that way on borrowed Droids. I was looking at the evoShift, crappy dpad aside, and the Samsung Galaxy S qwertyphone, whatever it's called.)

 

[Vanillalite]

Thanks for the advice! I know mobile browsers have little/no connection to desktop browsers, but I've gotten awfully attached to webkit for mobile devices in general.

Partly, I guess, it's branding: IE has toxic subconscious connotations for me. But Bing ain't my thing. No way to default to Google for browser search at least? (I guess I could test this in the emulator, ha.)

So is there any way to load music on it without going through Zune? I'm a mediamonkey user (it's the best of a disappointing lot), and am not going to give it up.

(And not to derail the thread with Android stuff, but I take it that the arrow keys do scrolling, link selection, etc. with the Android phones you mention? I seem to recall it working that way on borrowed Droids. I was looking at the evoShift, crappy dpad aside, and the Samsung Galaxy S qwertyphone, whatever it's called.)

Honestly I'd just go with Android then. IMO if you aren't gonna use Zune and the features it offers sort of no point to go with the platform if you also can't get over the IE stigma.

PS: Bing is integrated into the device so you can't change it, but you can always set google.com as a bookmark.

 

[jgkspsx]

Honestly I'd just go with Android then. IMO if you aren't gonna use Zune and the features it offers sort of no point to go with the platform if you also can't get over the IE stigma.

PS: Bing is integrated into the device so you can't change it, but you can always set google.com as a bookmark.

Thanks! I can get over IE-aversion without much trouble. But I really hate iTunes and it sounds like the Zune client isn't far from that.

Is ilomilo still carrier-specific?

 

[jagowar]

Thanks! I can get over IE-aversion without much trouble. But I really hate iTunes and it sounds like the Zune client isn't far from that.

Is ilomilo still carrier-specific?

If you have a pc why not try out the zune client..... I find it significantly better than itunes (and do the 14 day free zunepass trial..... you might never give it up once you try it.... I know thats how it worked with me)

Also remember if you have a 360 the zunepass now works on the xbox, pc and wp7 (all for the one price)

Ilomilo is now open to all carriers.....

 

[Vanillalite]

Thanks! I can get over IE-aversion without much trouble. But I really hate iTunes and it sounds like the Zune client isn't far from that.

Is ilomilo still carrier-specific?

Wait wait wait... have you ever actually USED Zune? It's like iTunes in that it's a more fully featured client, but it's a totally different deal. If you haven't used Zune I'd HIGHLY suggest trying it out. It's really a different beast.

PS: IloMilo is out for everyone now.

 

[jgkspsx]

I'll try it out, I guess. Microsoft seems to be one of the last companies fighting against simple file copying of MP3 files, though. Irksome.

Game Room looks pretty cool, at least if they port the titles I've bought.

Do any games support keyboard input?

 

[Hammer24]

Sine I don't have the privileges to start a new thread I made a quick wallpaper bundle if anyone is interested?

http://bit.ly/dStE1u

Thanks man!
If you ever do some more of those, please include a couple more with black background, those seem to look best on my Omnia. ;-)

 

[MasterLeePhD]

Thanks man!
If you ever do some more of those, please include a couple more with black background, those seem to look best on my Omnia. ;-)

Will do mate. I've started a second bundle already and will post when done.

 

[snap0212]

Q: I still haven’t received an update notification yet. When can I expect it?
A: It’s hard to predict because it depends on many factors. It could be days—or even weeks—before you’re able to update your phone.

So it can take weeks before the update will be available for everyone. Great.

 

[Vanillalite]

So it can take weeks before the update will be available for everyone. Great.

The update doesn't actually do anything for the user so why do you care? I'm a Samsung user without the update and I'm okay with them taking their time with this as long as it doesn't delay the real update for me!

 

[snap0212]

The update doesn't actually do anything for the user so why do you care? I'm a Samsung user without the update and I'm okay with them taking their time with this as long as it doesn't delay the real update for me!

Well, it shows us that there's no guarantee that we'll get updates as soon as Microsoft publishes them. It seems like after Microsoft has pushed the “publish” button they have no control over when the update will actually be available for you. We may have to wait weeks until we get the pre-update update, because there are things that Microsoft cannot influence. Until Microsoft says otherwise I'll just assume that the same problem will be present when they click the publish button for the actual NoDo update. => It's likely that we have to wait even longer for the NoDo update.

 

[Blackhead]

A Windows Phone 7 App: The Numbers

In total To Do Today has been downloaded 1,150 times in the last three months 234 of those have been paid downloads. The history of the trial vs paid downloads is as follows:

MetroTwit is a Sleek Native Twitter Client for Your Windows System

 

[Complex Shadow]

So it can take weeks before the update will be available for everyone. Great.

to be fair microsft them selfs said that updates would be released within weeks of each phone. it was in some Engadget interview.

 

[brotkasten]

to be fair microsft them selfs said that updates would be released within weeks of each phone. it was in some Engadget interview.

I still don't think it makes much sense to deliver the updates so slowly via a CDN. Sure, this update isn't important, but what about security fixes?

Do you know what interview that was? Or when they did it?

 

[Ultimatum]

Well, it shows us that there's no guarantee that we'll get updates as soon as Microsoft publishes them. It seems like after Microsoft has pushed the “publish” button they have no control over when the update will actually be available for you. We may have to wait weeks until we get the pre-update update, because there are things that Microsoft cannot influence. Until Microsoft says otherwise I'll just assume that the same problem will be present when they click the publish button for the actual NoDo update. => It's likely that we have to wait even longer for the NoDo update.

Wait, what? I think you've misunderstood the situation. Microsoft can control this, and they have done so by releasing the updates in increments. The reason they did that is so that if there are problems, only a small portion of users will be affected. It proved to be the right decision, as they spotted the Samsung issue before it reached most users.

 

[Complex Shadow]

I still don't think it makes much sense to deliver the updates so slowly via a CDN. Sure, this update isn't important, but what about security fixes?

Do you know what interview that was? Or when they did it?

um i can't seem to find it atm. can't navigate Engadget at all. but it was right after launch last year, between josh and one of the microsoft reps and they were going through every phone. i think it was on one of there webcast during Halloween.

 

[snap0212]

Wait, what? I think you've misunderstood the situation. Microsoft can control this, and they have done so by releasing the updates in increments. The reason they did that is so that if there are problems, only a small portion of users will be affected. It proved to be the right decision, as they spotted the Samsung issue before it reached most users.

They can hold an update back, sure, but they can't influence how long it takes until my phone tells me there's an update after they've published it. According to Microsoft, it could take weeks until I have the update on my phone. Those weeks are the time between Microsoft releasing the update and me being able to download it.

Aside from that: I don't think Microsoft made the right decisions. The first update for any device should not brick it... ever. If that happens (no matter how few people it happens to) you've done something seriously wrong.

 

[Robobandit]

Staged updates are the smart/safe way to do this kind of thing.

This pre-update will let them get the kinks out before NoDo hits.

As for the device bricking, no two devices are in exactly the same condition.. you bet your ass they tested with several samsung devices and encountered no issues, so the update moved forward.

It is simply not possible to test every scenario.

 

[Complex Shadow]

They can hold an update back, sure, but they can't influence how long it takes until my phone tells me there's an update after they've published it. According to Microsoft, it could take weeks until I have the update on my phone. Those weeks are the time between Microsoft releasing the update and me being able to download it.

Aside from that: I don't think Microsoft made the right decisions. The first update for any device should not brick it... ever. If that happens (no matter how few people it happens to) you've done something seriously wrong.

oh no weeks?! some one call the whaambulance.my dad still uses android donut(v1.6). be happy microsoft is at least updating every phone.

 

[VanMardigan]

The Sprint phone is official. Will be called the Arrive, coming March 20th.

Sprint.com/arrive

 

[brotkasten]

oh no weeks?! some one call the whaambulance.my dad still uses android donut(v1.6). be happy microsoft is at least updating every phone.

To be fair, when Microsoft talked about the update experience, it sounded more like iOS (evey phone gets it immediately) than a better Android variant (every phone gets it eventually) , so I can understand the frustration.

I have to check the other threads at XDA, but pretty much everyone who flashed the unbranded Optimus 7 rom, got the update within seconds.

Flashing is a complete DEBRAND and enables CARRIER-INDEPENDENT Updates directly from Microsoft.

Exactly the same story here. Flashed the European Open rom, started the Zune software and it said an update was available.

Thanks for this wonderful thread. My phone (Vodafone Germany brand with Orange Austria SIM Card) ist now free. Many, many thx! And of course,... Update from Microsoft received within seconds. I will never understand the provider branding story,...

I had Optimus 7 on Vodafone UK and did what you are proposing. After some teething problems getting it to work, it flashed perfectly. I can use any sim card and mms works as advertised. I got the recent OS update really quickly and I think this may prove to be an advantage of an Open OS - no carrier to block things! It may also pay off if they ever get round to enabling tethering.

It may or may not be the same for phones from other manufacturers.