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Guardian tech posted another lumia 800 review except this time the reviewer had it a month instead of a few hours. They still don't like it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/dec/30/nokia-lumia-800-goodbye

Feels like they are still going out of their way to hate on wp7 for non issues

I stop reading after he said his old Pearl and 3GS were superior to Windows Phone.

I have my iPad next to me but if I want to check email or browsing Gaf, I would rather pick up my Titan.
 
Guardian tech posted another lumia 800 review except this time the reviewer had it a month instead of a few hours. They still don't like it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/dec/30/nokia-lumia-800-goodbye

Feels like they are still going out of their way to hate on wp7 for non issues
Well, he did send out this tweet comparing Microsoft fans to Apple fans.
mbrit Matt Baxter-Reynolds
@markwilsonit certainly less gentle. Apple fanboys appear to be tiny, declawed kittens on Valium in comparison.

I also think this quote is complete bullshit, in my experience people's twitter pictures change too often for someone to use that as the only way of recognition.
That would be fine if it wasn't for the case that I only recognise people by their profile pictures.
 
Well, I knew that the Lumia had battery issues, but I didn't expect it to be that bad.
Any tips on how to prolong the battery life? And weren't we supposed to get an update to fix this?

My first real gripe with the phone :-(
 
kinda screwed myself, any can help???

I connected my lumia 800 to my laptop and accidently clicked "dont ask again" on the driver prompt, now my laptop is not recognising the phone, its only showing as Windows Phone USB

how do I fix this???
 
kinda screwed myself, any can help???

I connected my lumia 800 to my laptop and accidently clicked "dont ask again" on the driver prompt, now my laptop is not recognising the phone, its only showing as Windows Phone USB

how do I fix this???

There is a driver for windows phones in your Zune directory. Open up your device drivers and install it manually. In the list of hardware, your phone will be shown with an exclamation mark most likely, click on it and install the driver. I don't remember the exact path, but I had to do it for my titan.
 
There is a driver for windows phones in your Zune directory. Open up your device drivers and install it manually. In the list of hardware, your phone will be shown with an exclamation mark most likely, click on it and install the driver. I don't remember the exact path, but I had to do it for my titan.

didnt work just reinstalled Windows Phone USB

EDIT:
FIXED

Side Note:

Can you use MP3's as ringtones with the lumia????
 
Here's hoping they give us something @ CES

@unknown soldier I've had tons of android devices.. og Droid, galaxy s, galaxy s 2, galaxy nexus

I like android for the freedom it provides for running custom roms and.kernels.. but windows phone is a better user experience. It is not even close, IMO.

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
- Thomas Jefferson

"Freedom isn't free."
- Walter Hitchcock

"So I ask you: do you want to be safe, or do you want to be free?"
- Louis Sachar (Sideways Stories from Wayside School)

You can be safe in the walled garden. You'll have to do as Ballmer says, when he says you can't run these apps at the same time, you can't. When he says you can't have a screen resolution higher than that, you can't. When he says you can't have an external storage solution where you can remove the external storage without formatting the whole phone, you can't. When he says that you can't have custom ringtones, you can't. If you're comfortable with someone at Microsoft telling you how you can and can't use your phone, then I suppose you should choose to be safe. You might as well get an iPhone if you're going to submit to the tyranny of the walled garden.

Alternatively, you can be free. You can do what you want, when you want. You can put anything on your home screen, you can run any browser you want, you can use any music player or video player you like. Sometimes it will be a bit dangerous. Your phone might crash for no good reason. If you open too many apps at once, you might make your phone slow down. Some of your apps might kill your battery, and if you have a really huge HD screen and LTE you will definitely kill your battery if you don't know what you are doing. You might actually have to manage all your apps once you've installed a few hundred because there are so many to choose from which are useful. If you're not careful, you'll put a dozen gigabytes of music on your microSD card and not remember what is all on there, so you'll have to pull it out of the phone and stick it into a PC to manage it. Then you'll start cutting out 30 seconds of your own music and making your own custom ringtones and you'll subject your friends to 30 seconds of the worst pop song which is currently popular. Please don't make a custom Justin Bieber ringtone, unless you want someone on the subway to stab you.

Yeah, you can be safe, or you can be free. Ultimately, the choice is yours. I choose to be free, so I have a Galaxy Nexus.
 
wtf @ Mehdoh??

Hopefully he's at least sold the source code to someone so it will appear under a different (hopefully better) name.

It's really about 90% there in terms of being a perfect twitter app.


edit:

Actually reading the guys twitter feed you can start to appreciate why he's sick of it https://twitter.com/#!/Mehdoh

Looks like bug reports about WP7 APIs he cant do anything about, and Twitter fucking around with their API causing things to break.

Must be a pain in the ass.
 
WTF is this shit? Go be "free" out of this thread you creepy viral marketing shill.

All that BS and you still couldn't even refute his point that WP7 is an infinitely better user experience.
 
Uh Unknown Soldier, you've entered unnecessary evangelical mode. Step away from the computer, and enjoy your phone/platform in all its unadulterated bliss. We Windows Phone users, pitiful as we are, locked away in our walled garden, look with envy at the hint of the limitless blue sky of...a cell phone UI--what the hell, seriously, step down a notch or three. If you dig freedom, allow us the courtesy of our own preferences, and go away. Yeesh.
 
Sorry I just want my phone to work, I already have enough shit to do why the hell would I want to spend time managing my fucking phone. The phone suppose to make life easier, make finding places, things and info easier and most of all keeping in touch with family and people you love, not so I can learn to manage it so my phone doesn't fucking die in 2 hours because some shitty apps drain my battery.
 
Here's hoping they give us something @ CES

@unknown soldier I've had tons of android devices.. og Droid, galaxy s, galaxy s 2, galaxy nexus

I like android for the freedom it provides for running custom roms and.kernels.. but windows phone is a better user experience. It is not even close, IMO.
Android 4.x is very close and has even bested Metro UI in some places (for example, the is now an elegant solution for the system back button/app back button dilenma). I no longer find Android unbearable to use.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
- Thomas Jefferson

"Freedom isn't free."
- Walter Hitchcock

"So I ask you: do you want to be safe, or do you want to be free?"
- Louis Sachar (Sideways Stories from Wayside School)

You can be safe in the walled garden. You'll have to do as Ballmer says, when he says you can't run these apps at the same time, you can't. When he says you can't have a screen resolution higher than that, you can't. When he says you can't have an external storage solution where you can remove the external storage without formatting the whole phone, you can't. When he says that you can't have custom ringtones, you can't. If you're comfortable with someone at Microsoft telling you how you can and can't use your phone, then I suppose you should choose to be safe. You might as well get an iPhone if you're going to submit to the tyranny of the walled garden.

Alternatively, you can be free. You can do what you want, when you want. You can put anything on your home screen, you can run any browser you want, you can use any music player or video player you like. Sometimes it will be a bit dangerous. Your phone might crash for no good reason. If you open too many apps at once, you might make your phone slow down. Some of your apps might kill your battery, and if you have a really huge HD screen and LTE you will definitely kill your battery if you don't know what you are doing. You might actually have to manage all your apps once you've installed a few hundred because there are so many to choose from which are useful. If you're not careful, you'll put a dozen gigabytes of music on your microSD card and not remember what is all on there, so you'll have to pull it out of the phone and stick it into a PC to manage it. Then you'll start cutting out 30 seconds of your own music and making your own custom ringtones and you'll subject your friends to 30 seconds of the worst pop song which is currently popular. Please don't make a custom Justin Bieber ringtone, unless you want someone on the subway to stab you.

Yeah, you can be safe, or you can be free. Ultimately, the choice is yours. I choose to be free, so I have a Galaxy Nexus.
Most people have to make compromises to live in a less than ideal world. We can't all be RMS; I'm guessing you also use non-free products occasionally?! This isn't really the thread, or the right time either, to debate those issues... Happy New Year

Sorry I just want my phone to work, I already have enough shit to do why the hell would I want to spend time managing my fucking phone. The phone suppose to make life easier, make finding places, things and info easier and most of all keeping in touch with family and people you love, not so I can learn to manage it so my phone doesn't fucking die in 2 hours because some shitty apps drain my battery.

That's not just an Android problem though. An earlier WP firmware had a battery bug that was hard for end users to diaognize. iOS5 has introduce new problems affecting the battery life for many iPhone owners. Developers arent perfect and occasionally mess up requiring some system maintenance by the user. Only Android provides the tools to do so. It's true that previously those tools were pretty poor (and the number of bugs were quite large) but it's getting a lot better—so much so that I'd describe this feature as a net positive for Android, not something to be criticized about.
 
Sorry I just want my phone to work, I already have enough shit to do why the hell would I want to spend time managing my fucking phone. The phone suppose to make life easier, make finding places, things and info easier and most of all keeping in touch with family and people you love, not so I can learn to manage it so my phone doesn't fucking die in 2 hours because some shitty apps drain my battery.

This reads like a form letter generated on wppoweruser
 
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
- Thomas Jefferson

"Freedom isn't free."
- Walter Hitchcock

"So I ask you: do you want to be safe, or do you want to be free?"
- Louis Sachar (Sideways Stories from Wayside School)

You can be safe in the walled garden. You'll have to do as Ballmer says, when he says you can't run these apps at the same time, you can't. When he says you can't have a screen resolution higher than that, you can't. When he says you can't have an external storage solution where you can remove the external storage without formatting the whole phone, you can't. When he says that you can't have custom ringtones, you can't. If you're comfortable with someone at Microsoft telling you how you can and can't use your phone, then I suppose you should choose to be safe. You might as well get an iPhone if you're going to submit to the tyranny of the walled garden.

Alternatively, you can be free. You can do what you want, when you want. You can put anything on your home screen, you can run any browser you want, you can use any music player or video player you like. Sometimes it will be a bit dangerous. Your phone might crash for no good reason. If you open too many apps at once, you might make your phone slow down. Some of your apps might kill your battery, and if you have a really huge HD screen and LTE you will definitely kill your battery if you don't know what you are doing. You might actually have to manage all your apps once you've installed a few hundred because there are so many to choose from which are useful. If you're not careful, you'll put a dozen gigabytes of music on your microSD card and not remember what is all on there, so you'll have to pull it out of the phone and stick it into a PC to manage it. Then you'll start cutting out 30 seconds of your own music and making your own custom ringtones and you'll subject your friends to 30 seconds of the worst pop song which is currently popular. Please don't make a custom Justin Bieber ringtone, unless you want someone on the subway to stab you.

Yeah, you can be safe, or you can be free. Ultimately, the choice is yours. I choose to be free, so I have a Galaxy Nexus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ
 
Android 4.x is very close and has even bested Metro UI in some places (for example, the is now an elegant solution for the system back button/app back button dilenma). I no longer find Android unbearable to use.

What are the things you think are better in Android?

Could you explain their back button solution? Despite having seen some Nexus videos, I can't remember what they changed in that regard.
 
I have an iphone 4 but I was at the ATT store and I was really blown away by the Windows 7 phones. They were so smooth! Is there something inherit to android that makes the UI so choppy? It feels like the OS is running at sub 30 fps vs Iphone and WP7.

Might switch depending on what the Iphone 5 ends up being.
 
2012 is here.

Bring on the Windows phones.

No bring Ice-cream sandwich! Savior if mankind, protector of freedom and truth and justice.

But you might have to wait since it only on one phone right now even though the OS was ready since October.

p.s. To poster above spinning android app power managements feature as positive, seriously? And I am the one trolling. A battery bugs is not the same as having to manage your phone and limit what you can use it.
 
I have an iphone 4 but I was at the ATT store and I was really blown away by the Windows 7 phones. They were so smooth! Is there something inherit to android that makes the UI so choppy? It feels like the OS is running at sub 30 fps vs Iphone and WP7.

Might switch depending on what the Iphone 5 ends up being.

I'm not expert in this but one of the uber nerdy programmers at my work hates android because it's coded in some java based language or something another. He said thats the reason why it's always going to be slow compared to Windows and IOS which are coded different I guess. Dunno how much truth is in that, but I tend to trust him because he's a crazy good programmer. He even hates Windows and Apple like all programmers do. I think his hate towards android stems from what it could have been but isn't.
 
I'm not expert in this but one of the uber nerdy programmers at my work hates android because it's coded in some java based language or something another. He said thats the reason why it's always going to be slow compared to Windows and IOS which are coded different I guess. Dunno how much truth is in that, but I tend to trust him because he's a crazy good programmer. He even hates Windows and Apple like all programmers do. I think his hate towards android stems from what it could have been but isn't.

The Android tools run on Java which makes real-time emulator performance slow, but Java allows for easy multi-OS capability since Java runs on any platform.

If you're going to develop for Android, you better own a developer phone. Otherwise, testing your app via emulator is a pain in the ass.

The things Android has going for are the dev tools, no yearly subscription fee, and no proprietary OS.
 
The only thing Android has going for is that the dev tools are free and does not require a yearly subscription fee nor proprietary OS.
That they're mostly horrible is of course another story entirely. I've worked on a couple of Android apps, and even ignoring the emulator side of things, it was not a pleasant experience. Espcially given how many API side bugs I ran into.

That said, I've not developed any WP7 apps, so the API side of things might be just as bad. Though I know that Visual Studio is hard to fault.
 
Is Sprint going to get any decent phones soon? I'd go for T-Mobile but I like that unlimited data

Sprints opinion on Windows Phone:

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They'll get a new one in the next months and it's better than the Arrive (or nothing).
 
bummer. I really don't want to go to AT&T, but they seem to be getting the best phones

also, the Lumia 710 looks really bad

I was in the same boat you were in and eventually switched from Sprint to AT&T so I could get a Focus S for my wife and a Titan for myself. I thought having capped data would be a problem but I didn't get anywhere close to reaching my limit for the first month so I guess it's not that big of a deal. I use wifi anytime there's one available and I make sure not to stream anytime I'm not on it. Kind of second nature now and it doesn't bother me.

Only thing I don't like is hte increased bill. Luckily I get a very very good discount through work.

P.S. HTC needs to fix my damn Titan. This is my second one and now I'm past the 30 day return window and I still have the voice quality issue. I absolutely love this phone but it's almost useless because no one can understand what I'm saying. Luckily they've acknowledged there's a problem and apparently there's a fix on the way.
 
What are the things you think are better in Android?

Could you explain their back button solution? Despite having seen some Nexus videos, I can't remember what they changed in that regard.

The multitasking view in ICS is better. The controls in the ICS browser are better. The action bar is more flexible. On the other hand, WP has ICS beat on some of the finer details. There is no consistent way in ICS to trigger to text label for the icons in the action bar, unlike in Metro UI, and I sometimes have no clue what an icon does. WP has the basics done right but it's pretty clear that Android is several iterations ahead. Microsoft is taking too long to catch up.

Prior to ICS many Android apps included their logos in the UI of the app. Google has now repositioned that as a back button and made those icons more much visible as a way to navigate the app without the system back button.
 
There is no consistent way in ICS to trigger to text label for the icons in the action bar, unlike in Metro UI, and I sometimes have no clue what an icon does.

ICS now supports "hover" events, and if there is no long press action, long pressing an icon will show your "alt" text if the dev labeled it properly(try it on the gmail icons).

It's messy, but it's a nice side effect of accessibility support.

It's a cheap mass market device, like those shitty Samsung and Motorola Android phones. Not everyone wants to spend 200 on contract for a phone.

If it wasn't for the inherit added pricing for WP7 I think it would do amazing as a feature phone replacement for carriers.
 
It's a cheap mass market device, like those shitty Samsung and Motorola Android phones. Not everyone wants to spend 200 on contract for a phone.

the good thing is that windows phone runs equally well on every device. love it.
lol at lowbudget android phones with stuttering animations and transitions
 
the good thing is that windows phone runs equally well on every device. love it.
lol at lowbudget android phones with stuttering animations and transitions
my android phone is a full two years old and was EOL 6 months after it launched. The thing can be slow as shit sometimes, basically a low budget equivalent. up for a new contract soon but I don't know what to get.
 
my android phone is a full two years old and was EOL 6 months after it launched. The thing can be slow as shit sometimes, basically a low budget equivalent. up for a new contract soon but I don't know what to get.
if you want a safty net, then get ios. if you love customization go for droid. if you wanna "risk" it on something new got for wp7. but i highly recommend you give each device a try and make an choice based upon your own opinion.
 
the good thing is that windows phone runs equally well on every device. love it.
lol at lowbudget android phones with stuttering animations and transitions

Dude, get your shit straight. Even high end android phones have stuttering animations and transitions.

I love my GN, but even ICS is incredibly inconsistent performance wise
 
Dude, get your shit straight. Even high end android phones have stuttering animations and transitions.

I love my GN, but even ICS is incredibly inconsistent performance wise

Until all the 300,000 or so apps are updated for ICS
LOL
, performance will be inconsistent because some apps will accept forced hardware acceleration happily while others will stutter and crash.

That, and the simple reality is that some people JUST CAN'T FUCKING PROGRAM. Why does Words With Friends peg the CPU at 100% and kill the battery for no good reason while in the foreground? I hate you so much Zynga, I hate you and I hate your shitty Facebook games which spam my News Feed until I block them one by one, but I have to use your shitty online Scrabble app because that's what my friends use so I have to use it if I want to play with them. :|
 
Dude, get your shit straight. Even high end android phones have stuttering animations and transitions.

I love my GN, but even ICS is incredibly inconsistent performance wise
Meh ... there goes the hopes my Transformer will be what I had hoped :\






That, and the simple reality is that some people JUST CAN'T FUCKING PROGRAM.\
Like Google? Or is the browser no longer a pile of shit?
 
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