Rinne no Lagrange is average.
Winter 2012 Anime Thread of Roundcats Up in This
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hosannainexcelsis
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I would argue that Rinne, for its direction and visual design, and Daily Lives, for the writing and delivery of its humor, are above-average.
PdotMichael
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I would like to see the list of the "average animes"
Jex
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Yes, Rinne looks good and isn't directed incompetently but frankly that should be the baseline which all shows achieve. Just because many titles fall far below that doesn't suddenly make it better than it is!
I just can't accept the same low standards which the industry seems to work from.
So you're not interested in discussing at all then?
PdotMichael
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I want to know what is for you an average anime
I disagree completely. I loved the design of their house, the non-euclidean spaces, the stained glass windows, everything. Rarely do I encounter architecture in anime that I actually want to experience in person. It is truly testament to Shinbo's design prowess that, while his environmental design lacks technical finesse, his creations engender such desires within me. The reverberations on the water as the characters moved around were also a nice touch.
I also immensely enjoyed the emphasis on what I call passive movement. I'm sure there is a more accurate term for this but what I mean is the way people move when they're "still", such as when standing or sitting. You'll notice in a lot of anime that people just don't fidget at all, but that's not how people work. Even when reading a book, people are constantly moving. Tapping their feet to an unheard rhythm, brushing hair out of their eyes, flicking a page, glancing at their surroundings from time to time, even breathing involves an extremely complicated motion that never seems to translate to animated scenes(and sometimes not even live action ones). This is something that Bake and Nise excel at, a kind of attention to trivial detail made possible only by their focus on the minimum amount of characters necessary for advancing the story. This was extremely noticeable in the bathroom scene, although I'm sure most of you missed it because you were too busy scrubbing your eyes out.
I don't have the specific time stamps but there was a few seconds where both Shinobu and Araragi were both in full motion in the bathtub, which was particularly impressive. It did a very good job of conveying Shinobu's playfulness and carefree attitude, as well the anxiety Araragi feels around her, something he tries to cover up with a seemingly casual demeanor.
(As one of AnimeGAF's resident yaoi fangirls, I also cheered at all the Araragiservice and will be anticipating the modified Blu-rays)
hosannainexcelsis
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That's an admirable position, and I sympathize, but "average" doesn't refer to what you wish the baseline was but what the baseline actually is. Looking at all the shows out there, I find it difficult to believe that Rinne is at that point where half of them are better than it and half of them are worse.
Prince of Tennis. Now what?
I like you Haly, but this post made my brain hurt. Very little of what you said addresses Jex's complaint against the visual storytelling.
Especially the first part -- you like the houses, which is fine, but what story does the house tell you? That's the important part.
Infinite Justice
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wait...WAT?
PdotMichael
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I know that's pretty ridiculous to put Lagrange in the same group like Prince of Tennis.
haly is a young jewish girl in new york.
It has MARU and Wan and HNNG. It is way the fuck above average.
Well by my scale it is.
And as expected, you're deflecting the argument. Prince of Tennis is an average at best show, and they're both vastly different shows, hence, differing standards. Prince of Tennis should have nothing to do with my criticisms against Rinne.
Crash Station
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Why? Just because you don't like shounen doesn't mean it isn't a relatively well produced adaptation of a solid series.
Its well animated, makes a fair bit of sense in the world its set, has great music, great production values, just enough fanservice to be fun without being stupid, and it seems to be going in a clear direction. I would say it is above average. Its not Chihayafuru great but its not IS/Horizon average.
As for Space Pirates, its slow, but very detailed, and that doesnt make it average. It is too soon to judge what it really is yet.
As for Space Pirates, its slow, but very detailed, and that doesnt make it average. It is too soon to judge what it really is yet.
Urban Scholar
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Area no Kishi or the knight in the area ep.1
I've read all of the translated scanlations to date(I got hooked & was at it for 2 days), so I'm putting it mildly saying I like it.
With that being said, I'm staying around after ep1. The only thing I'd have to voice is the design because coming from Giant Killing this feels like a step down in the character art. It's an opinion thing but I just wanted to get that out.
I've read all of the translated scanlations to date(I got hooked & was at it for 2 days), so I'm putting it mildly saying I like it.
With that being said, I'm staying around after ep1. The only thing I'd have to voice is the design because coming from Giant Killing this feels like a step down in the character art. It's an opinion thing but I just wanted to get that out.
Jex
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It doesn't surprise me that we'd use different scales.
Is K-ON average?!
Even by other scales, it would be above average, as I explained just now.
The fact that it has so much HNNG in it happens to put it high on my particular scale.
I wrote it in a bit of a hurry because class was about to end and I agree with you. I had planned to address jehxius' comments directly but before I even started my post morphed into a generalized defense of the visuals in Nise.
I will try to respond properly once I'm home. My phone is too slow and cunbersome for debate.
Regulus Tera
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Chihayafuru 17: Good episode is good, but why are Crunchyroll's subs so much shit? There's an entire line of dialogue that reads MISSING because apparently the fuckers didn't know what it meant or something? I didn't get the thing about the prostitutes either.
A square black room isn't arquitecture; you're talking about interior design.
They talked about that scene in the thread, actually. I personally didn't like it, from an animation stand point. I understand what they were going for, but the final result feels more like two robots jerking around spastically than like actual people taking a bath. The timing is totally unnatural and and there is genuine disconnection between the voice acting and the animated acting, with the characters barely looking like they're actually saying what the audio tells us they're saying.
Crash Station
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Above average anime this season:
Lagrange
High School DXD
Daily Lives of Highschool Boys
Symphogear
Average anime:
New Prince of Tennis
THERMÆ ROMÆ
Another
Aquarion Evol
Below average:
everything else
Lagrange
High School DXD
Daily Lives of Highschool Boys
Symphogear
Average anime:
New Prince of Tennis
THERMÆ ROMÆ
Another
Aquarion Evol
Below average:
everything else
Your baseline for average is probably going to damn your argument in the eyes of some, but I have no problem with anyone having their own standards (unless they're unreasonably high.) I personally find Lagrange to be well into above-average territory, but I don't think I'm quite ready to enter my first AnimeGAF war of tastes yet, so I'll keep quiet unless I have some actual point to make.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Chihayafuru: That has got to be the most perfunctory
that I have ever seen in my life. Since I've got Trek on my mind - I think Brannon Braga and Rick Berman would have been proud. 
Now I'm really curious to see where they end the show, since it seems rather impossible that they'll have enough episodes to get to the inevitable
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retcon
Now I'm really curious to see where they end the show, since it seems rather impossible that they'll have enough episodes to get to the inevitable
rematch with the Queen
PdotMichael
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There is a difference between a opinion and putting a show in a big group of "average" animes without comparability.
I'm pretty sure my baseline for "average" is already damned by many here.
And you're missing my point entirely. Why is this comparison argument even necessary when I want to talk about the actual quality of the show, which you refuse to do?
Fair enough. Although at the least, the windows and skeleton arch roofs qualify as architecture, even if they are unpercievable from outside their rather plain colonial era house.
I didnt notice the disconnect because my hearing problems make it pointless for me to watch anime with sound. Although I can recognize the problem, and can see how others were put off by it.
PdotMichael
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You say Lagrange is average. Okay, but what is now an average mecha show for you? Just to say something is average is not a big help if we have nothing to compare.
Jex
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I don't define the average by what other anime titles are out this season - I'm talking in general, about all the anime that I've ever watched. The baseline is not what the majority of them might be because I haven't watched the majority of all the anime that has ever been released. I've focused nearly exclusively on the best of the best - which is why I say Rinne is an average title.
Best of the best oftentimes means boring as fuck, so I'm not really sure if that's a sufficient indicator.
Unless you mean shows like Haibane Renmei and Kino's Journey, which are not boring.
Rinne clearly tries a little harder than a lot of shows of its type, and just because it is being playful does not make it merely an average show.
Fuck, why am I even arguing about this?
I'm just gonna HNNG at it anyway.
Unless you mean shows like Haibane Renmei and Kino's Journey, which are not boring.
Rinne clearly tries a little harder than a lot of shows of its type, and just because it is being playful does not make it merely an average show.
Fuck, why am I even arguing about this?
I'm just gonna HNNG at it anyway.
That's more or less like the OP. You are a few episodes too late.
A few thoughts:
- Hina's sad I-am-hungry-face is daawwww.
- Raika's monotonism makes me chuckle. Hirano is irritating.
- an episode of kids trying to take responsibility. It has its moments.
Jex
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That's right, it's very awkward. The disconnect is amplified by the sporadic jump in the quality of the animation just for that one part of that one scene which, as a whole, is disconnected from the earlier scenes in the episode by having better animation, on average, than those sequences. Having such inconsistent art across the episodes makes the seams between scenes very apparent - I find myself being pulled away from the 'world of the show' because I'm spending too much time noticing how they clearly spent far more money drawing this naked girl than any other part of the episode.
We all like what we like and for our own reasons, so the standards that people use to judge their entertainment don't bother me. Just don't declare opinions as fact (not implying that anyone is doing that here) and don't disregard someone's entire range of opinions because of a specific disagreement and you (not you personally) can say whatever you want about about anything without bothering me too much.
hosannainexcelsis
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Jex
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[Chihayafuru 17]
This is what episode 17 looks like. The characters aren't particularly well drawn or well animated, but neither do they look rubbish. The cinematography, editing and colour choices are pedestrian, but acceptable. It's basically a cheap looking episode of the show, which is a little disappointing considering they managed to get away with 90% recap last week.
Still, it's good to have some actual progress with the show, and I certainly enjoyed it, so this might quality as 'nitpicking'.
This is what episode 17 looks like. The characters aren't particularly well drawn or well animated, but neither do they look rubbish. The cinematography, editing and colour choices are pedestrian, but acceptable. It's basically a cheap looking episode of the show, which is a little disappointing considering they managed to get away with 90% recap last week.
Still, it's good to have some actual progress with the show, and I certainly enjoyed it, so this might quality as 'nitpicking'.
LOL at the bit with Taichi's "girlfriend". So lazy.
I don't know. You started it....I think
hosannainexcelsis
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If you're going to use that definition of "average", then I agree with you that Rinne falls into the middle of the shows I've completed.
Yes, that's why I made sure to include the "yaoi" qualifier.
I wasn't aware comparability is limited to a genre. How is Prince of Tennis not comparable to Rinne then?
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