You know the dollar was dropping like, 8 months before Harper even left office, right? Some Gaffers have really highlighted to me the problem is even more nuanced than I thought - it's not just oil money or whatever leaving - a significant portion of it has to do with the US suddenly having their dollar skyrocket, combined with us being such a major trading partner with the US.
With the Rise of Justin Trudeau, Canada Is Suddenly ... Hip? (NY Times)
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You know the dollar was dropping like, 8 months before Harper even left office, right? Some Gaffers have really highlighted to me the problem is even more nuanced than I thought - it's not just oil money or whatever leaving - a significant portion of it has to do with the US suddenly having their dollar skyrocket, combined with us being such a major trading partner with the US.
You... do realize the Harper administration precipitated the extent of the downturn. Maybe it was unavoidable, but certainly aggravated by by the lack of diversification over the course of his government. The collapse began well into the twilight years of Harperland.
Trudeau has been in charge for a month, lol.
it's not just about CDN dollar, botttomline is that I've always been a conservative, can't stand liberal policies
Buba Big Guns
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This can't be real
You may be in the wrong country then.
I think it's important to let go of your sacred cows. Make sure you don't like the policies because of the actual policies, not because a Liberal suggested it
.Leave.
Like, just leave.
I'm dead serious.
Just go. Get out. The country will be better without you.
Unless you want to elaborate more on "liberal policies", because those cover a pretty wide range of stuff that shouldn't be called "liberal policies", more like "human rights".
whatever man, like it or not, during Harper era, we were in the Golden Age of Canada. Low employment, escaped the Great Recession, high CDN dollar.
But isn't it more important to know -why- that happened? If it had nothing to do with the government in office (it actually did, as the government had a reasonable hand to play in focusing on oil, and that helped our economy) - it is important to know what they did and replicate it, rather than just abstract it away to the person in office.
You talk to reasonable people, and they'll tell you the actual PM has very little to do - and that policies that work for a while often don't work in different times - a strong oil dollar was great when oil was 115 USD a barrel, right now it's not great, for example.
Extra Sauce
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You brought it up. How is your pro-Harper, anti-Trudeau sentiment even slightly about the CDN dollar? Did you not pay attention to the state of the dollar and the direction it was going when Harper left office? Explain yourself.
I bet you also blamed the 2007 economic crisis on Obama.
JimJamJones
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I know the Gos, Bieber and Rachel McAdams. The rest of em? Not so much.
From 1993 to 2006, we managed to get unemployment down from ~12% to 6.5%.
1993 to 2006 was entirely a liberal government.
Under Harper, we got to witness the recession where it jumped back up to ~8.5%, and has slowly come back down to ~7%, still not at the levels seen when a Liberal government was in power.
So even if we accept that the PM has a huge amount of sway in how those numbers happened.... we still had less unemployment under a liberal government.
I like to discuss this with you all, but I'm at work, can't spend too much time....besides I don't want to give this cringe-worthy thread more exposure
Professor Renegade
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Okay buy why can't you stand them? Everything else you said aside, I don't think anyone is going to dissuade your political beliefs, but at least help people understand your position lest you get sandbagged.
ElBoxyBrown
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Ryan Gosling is Canadian?
You learn something everyday.
You learn something everyday.
UberTag
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We're cool. We're hip. And all of our success stories have escaped this god forsaken land to make their fortune in valuable US dollars elsewhere.
(Shame about Calabria derailing this thread.)
as I said some other time, I'm at work, can't spend much time here
Extra Sauce
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That's one way to avoid taking the L.
Low employment, eh? Regardless, the Harper era was far, FAR away from a Golden Age of Canada. He's done considerable damage.
As for the article, I'd rather have a stronger dollar than be cool/hip.
oneils
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I guess you missed the record employment levels during the Chretien/Martin government. Maybe you are too young to remember.
And you I think you meant to say "low unemployment."
WrenchNinja
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Jeffolation
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I hope Kevin O'Leary becomes the next leader of the conservatives.
Stumpokapow
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dude you're literally a librarian
After 25 years of living in Ottawa, before my escape, I had no choice but to enter a profession fitting of the excitement around me. Thanks a lot, Mulroney, Campbell, Chrétien, Martin, and Harper!!!
yeah, if anything this shows how similar Canadians are.
I don't have the effort to debate with Calabria and educate him on how the policies of the previous Liberal government is what allowed us to weather global recession and come out of the recovery very strong. And how the current circumstance we're in is in part due to Harper government policy decisions and what Trudeau, who has had barely any time in office, is going to do to try to push economic growth.
This is the same as those republicans who blamed Obama for the economy in 2008 in the US. I have a feeling I won't be able to get through to him the same way most of those republicans cannot be educated.
This is the same as those republicans who blamed Obama for the economy in 2008 in the US. I have a feeling I won't be able to get through to him the same way most of those republicans cannot be educated.
gutter_trash
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as a hard-core partisan Liberal voter: I respect your partisanship and welcome you on the field of battle
please participate in our Canada-gaf poli thread
I hope you are more entertaining than the boring NDP supporters
Lion Heart
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No idea The Weeknd was Canadian. I wish I was Ryan Gosling.
BocoDragon
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There was a tv show called Breaker High in Canada that was like Saved by the Bell but on a boat! It was awesome! And Ryan Gosling was on it before he was big.
Oh shit. I remember that and I remember Gosling in that too, but didn't connect that it was the same person as adult Gosling.
He had one of those 90s haircuts that was kind of awful even in the 90s...
Mass Effect
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No amount of hipness will save that dollar of yours.
Let's trade. I live in one of the most conservative states in the U.S.
You can have my spot.
Let's trade. I live in one of the most conservative states in the U.S.
You can have my spot.
30yearsofhurt
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Aren't the trailer park boys Canucks?
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