Wkd BO 0908-1017 - Beep beep, Reese. I- I- I- I- It floats. Oh , yes. It floats.
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Every leading actress will eventually struggle with picking up the proper roles. Even the actress who had possibly the most longevity like Katharine Hepburn was considered a box office poison at one point. It's probably a combination of good role / script being too rare historically, cultural / gender bias and the actresses failing to properly identify the scripts that can allow their movies to be profitable consistently. I went and checked Meryl Streep wiki page and I see Out of Africa and backlash so there you have it.
Margot Robbie is being smart in having her own production company and I think Theron did the same thing (and here's another leading actress who has struggled as well). This probably give them much more control in the type of movies they want to star in.
NealMcCauley
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Deadline has mother freefalling to $8 million, and that's optimistic.
PhoncipleBone
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Not surprised.
I really wanted to talk to other audience members as they were leaving, just to gauge strangers' feedback. Some comments overheard were not kind, but I wanted to know more. Especially the senior citizen group that was there and the teenagers with their mom.
So, weekend looking like low to mid 50% drop then?
ryutaro's mama
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IT's still hungry.
I was pretty sanguine about mother's poor showing at the box office until Deadline suggested that J-Law was potentially getting her full quote to do this film and now I'm wondering why anyone at Paramount even bothers turning up for work on Monday.
I'll eat my fucking hat and the coat that came with it if Ed Harris and Michelle Pfeiffer earned anything near $3M-$5M for any film at this point never mind mother.
But the J-Law number I can absolutely see being true.
Yep, probably closer to the low-50s but we'll see how it holds up today.
PhoncipleBone
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IT only dropping low 50% or so seems damn good for a horror film. Where's kswis with data on that?
hodayathink
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J-Law is dating the director and still got her full quote? Jeez.
hodayathink
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Lots of actors in Hollywood have their own production companies. Most of the time, those companies still can't get anything higher than a micro-budget movie off the ground without studio assistance (they can do pre-production and the like, but not full production). Like everything else, the trick is just finding the right projects.
$19.2M means that IT had a 48% drop on Friday if you take out the $13.5M from Thursday previews. Given the hurricane and start of football last weekend, Sat and Sun should hold up well too.
Ya, no idea why anyone would pay Ed Harris or Michelle Pfeiffer that much. Mother! Would have been better off with someone dwcent that they could have paid <$5M to, cutting that nudget under the $20M mark.
Ya, no idea why anyone would pay Ed Harris or Michelle Pfeiffer that much. Mother! Would have been better off with someone dwcent that they could have paid <$5M to, cutting that nudget under the $20M mark.
Cinemascore seems like a Hollywood solution to a problem that never really existed. I could help but notice that on the cover for The Case for Christ that it proudly touts its A+ Cinemascore, ignoring the facts that:
1) the audience for Christian films of the "we're right and we'll also show you how wrong you are for believing otherwise" are going to love films like that anyway, as they're just preaching to the converted, which causes the score to be inflated as the only people being polled about it are the ones that were going to see it in the first place
2) the film itself actually didn't do all that great; despite the low budget, it did not break out like God's Not Dead and seems to be another in a recent series of Christian films doing only OK, which to me screams that the genre is well past the saturation point in theaters
1) the audience for Christian films of the "we're right and we'll also show you how wrong you are for believing otherwise" are going to love films like that anyway, as they're just preaching to the converted, which causes the score to be inflated as the only people being polled about it are the ones that were going to see it in the first place
2) the film itself actually didn't do all that great; despite the low budget, it did not break out like God's Not Dead and seems to be another in a recent series of Christian films doing only OK, which to me screams that the genre is well past the saturation point in theaters
KeyBladerXIII
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Let's go IT, I really want to see Bill Skarsgård in more stuff!
What really just stuns me on mother!:
Still this should have been a Black Swan level of budget (<$15m) from what I understand of what the film actually is. And if they paid Lawrence in full, yeeeeeeeeeeeeesh.
Now, not that they were entirely wrong:
But jesus fucking christ how can you move up a film that you will end up selling as a horror film, to another week where the week before a horror film set to be a bigger hit opens? The It trailer broke the views record in March, so it's not like they can say that the success of It came from nowhere. Did they think mother! would constitute counterprogramming, and if they did why did they sell it as a straight horror film?
Always take Deadline with a healthy pinch of salt when it comes to salaries, and they love to use the wording "some believe its much higher" when talking about costs.
Still this should have been a Black Swan level of budget (<$15m) from what I understand of what the film actually is. And if they paid Lawrence in full, yeeeeeeeeeeeeesh.
Again, this has been a problem for actresses historically. I expect Lawrence, Robbie, Ridley, Gadot, Vikander to struggle eventually. In fact, Gadot was already struggling before she landed that Wonder Woman role.
Jennifer Lawrence getting her full quote is believable, because she has been actively pushing for bigger paydays on her last few films.
That and the fact that Mother! carries a $30M price tag when Aronofsky has always shot pretty cheap movies given their visuals. The Fountain was $35M, and it had some flashy stuff in it. The Wrestler was $6M and Black Swan was $13M. Noah was expensive, but it was supposed to be a bible epic.
That and the fact that Mother! carries a $30M price tag when Aronofsky has always shot pretty cheap movies given their visuals. The Fountain was $35M, and it had some flashy stuff in it. The Wrestler was $6M and Black Swan was $13M. Noah was expensive, but it was supposed to be a bible epic.
Yeah mother's budget should have been $15m-ish. Basically Black Swan's budget ($13m) factoring in 7 years of inflation. If the extra $10m+ needed was for jlaw's full quote, yeesh. Good on her and her agent I guess but now they have to hope just to break even on the budget with its worldwide gross, instead of doubling it.
Jennifer Lawrence has been pushed by feminists and the industry at large to demand a big payday after the Sony leak. You certainly can't blame her for getting paid, but it will lead to a backlash given how the industry has structured itself over the last 30 years. I can already see the backlash over Red Sparrow and Indiewire wrote an article on the trailer reception which is laying the groundwork.
mother! is the kind of film that should not have had major studio backing in the first place. Had it been an independent production, I imagine that J.Law would have been more willing to knock her price down, but as it is, I can't blame her for taking advantage of the situation.
Gentleman Jack
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I love how none of his backup dancers are in sync with each other, like nothing fucking matters.
PhoncipleBone
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Everything about that video is magic.
On a different note, with the backlash over Faraci, Fox Searchlight has pulled Three Billboards from Fantastic Fest.
Women deserve to get paid the same as men of similar stature. Amy Adams getting less than Jeremy Renner of all people on American Hustle was some Grade A bullshit.
That said, when you are making top end pay, there's going to be pressures for you to deliver the goods. RDJ aside, Disney has presented a pretty compelling case in recent years that superstar actors are sort of irrelevant for most genres of film. Outside of a few situations where an actor/producer has points on something that blows up majorly, I think that the days of actors like RDJ and Johnny Depp pulling in $40-60M from a film are coming to an end. People deep into a successful franchise will get paid well, but they won't be able to turn around and demand the same on something unrelated/untested.
The days of paying people $20M+ up front have definitely been tapering off. Arnold's quote from 25 years ago is higher than most of the industry now, even before you factor in inflation.
Messofanego
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I can definitely see the budget on mother!, the insane last act pulls out all the stops ala Children Of Men.
Paramount was probably happy with Noah and he told them "horror film with J Law" and they gave him the check.
Because he pretty much always delivers huge grosses for straight drama films, which nobody else can do these days.
Friday Studio Estimates:
1) IT - $19.2M (-62%) - $178M total
2) American Assassin - $5.8M
3) Mother! - $3.0M
4) Home Again - $1.7M (-45%) - $13M total
5) The Hitman's Bodyguard - $1.0M (-29%) - $68M total
6) Wind River - $770k (-20%) - $28M total
7) Annabelle Creation - $710k (-47%) - $98M total
8) Spider-Man Homecoming - $485k (-5%) - $329M total
9) Leap! - $465k (-14%) - $17M total
10) Dunkirk - $380k (-31%) - $184M total
- After 8 days, IT is already the highest grossing September release of all time.
1) IT - $19.2M (-62%) - $178M total
2) American Assassin - $5.8M
3) Mother! - $3.0M
4) Home Again - $1.7M (-45%) - $13M total
5) The Hitman's Bodyguard - $1.0M (-29%) - $68M total
6) Wind River - $770k (-20%) - $28M total
7) Annabelle Creation - $710k (-47%) - $98M total
8) Spider-Man Homecoming - $485k (-5%) - $329M total
9) Leap! - $465k (-14%) - $17M total
10) Dunkirk - $380k (-31%) - $184M total
- After 8 days, IT is already the highest grossing September release of all time.
I don't think hes had an outright bomb since before Titanic.
Leo, the last bastion of movie stars in Hollywood.
Even so, now there's pressure on women to deliver like the highest paid actors are doing such as Johnson, Whalberg and Diesel getting 50+ million in the last year. Actresses just don't want to stick to supporting roles, but it's not going to break the 50+ million barrier. They are going to need big franchises and action movies mixed in there and you know that there will be a backlash (I hear that conservatives hate Jennifer Lawrence and it wouldn't surprise me if it's the case). If you have been studying the box office this long, you know how difficult a task it is for women.
Ridley Scott managed to make people not want to see a Leo film.
Revolutionary Road (with Sam Mendes) also underperformed, but the budget on that one wasn't too high. It probably didn't lose money in the long run.
Leo turned down a bunch of blockbuster stuff over the years. Like playing Anakin and Spider-Man. Gave his buddy Tobey a career.
On the contrary, he is picking up commercial hits within scripts which are harder sell on face value. Even The Revenant, because it's quite conventional as a story despite it's art house appearance. Leonardo Dicaprio secret is that he can pick apart scripts and identify the hooks for the audience where nobody else can.
Going back to the Friday estimates, since I added percent drops after my initial posting, Spider-Man Homecoming dropping 5% from last Friday is pretty crazy.
Homecoming will score its 11th straight week in the top 10. Platform releases during awards season typically have the best shot at staying on the charts for 11 or more straight weeks, but here's the list of $100M+ blockbusters that have managed that feat since 2000.
Frozen - 16 weeks
Avatar - 14 weeks
Zootopia - 13 weeks
Beauty and the Beast - 11 weeks
Inception - 11 weeks
Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl - 11 weeks
Finding Nemo - 11 weeks
I think that Homecoming will drop to #11 next weekend, but if it manages to squeak into #10, Spider-Man will have the 4th longest run in the top 10 for a modern blockbuster.
Homecoming will score its 11th straight week in the top 10. Platform releases during awards season typically have the best shot at staying on the charts for 11 or more straight weeks, but here's the list of $100M+ blockbusters that have managed that feat since 2000.
Frozen - 16 weeks
Avatar - 14 weeks
Zootopia - 13 weeks
Beauty and the Beast - 11 weeks
Inception - 11 weeks
Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl - 11 weeks
Finding Nemo - 11 weeks
I think that Homecoming will drop to #11 next weekend, but if it manages to squeak into #10, Spider-Man will have the 4th longest run in the top 10 for a modern blockbuster.
Which is why he ain't doing a joker movie.
Obliterator
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Damn. Really impressive legs. Between Homecoming, Guardians 2 and Wonder Woman Comic movies this year are putting some seriously impressive performances
Wasn't that more due to him not wanting to be associate with anything like Titanic again?
Gentleman Jack
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My local megaplex has mother! on every hour from 9:30am to 10:25pm.
Everyone's gonna take a bath on this one it seems.
Everyone's gonna take a bath on this one it seems.
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OrangeAtlas
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lol they have it on 3 screens?? That's their fault really. Even 2 screens is pushing it. Oh well, I enjoyed it and may even catch it a second time.
The bubble is soon to burst any day now.
Nope, still has to beat Passion of the Christ
Kenzodielocke
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Mother! received Cinemascore F.