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Wkd Box Office 11•14-16•14 - audiences go Big & Dumber. Would Nolan like a hug?

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HK-47

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Timbuktu said:
It does feel like they've drained the talent from Pixar though, not sure if there is the pool of people available for both of them to be firing on all cylinders.
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I dont think any of the new Disney movies are near the really great Pixar movies, just very consistently good. I am very excited for Inside Out. I love the premise.
 
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Interstellar is trash, I've made sure to let all my friends know. Awful movie. Glad to see it sinking.
 
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Maninthemirror

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lol Iooking at this thread we need a name for those who hate Nolan and his movies like the opposte of nolanites because everyone can see this in this thread

What do we call them
 
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GCX

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Timbuktu said:
It does feel like they've drained the talent from Pixar though, not sure if there is the pool of people available for both of them to be firing on all cylinders.
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There hasn't been a mass exodus from Pixar to Disney Animation. Disney just needed to be re-organized so the talent there could start making good movies again and John Lasseter was able to do that.
 
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Nolan has so many people salty. I understand not liking the movie, but calling it trash and calling Nolan a fraud? lol. where's the hate hard tag when you need it. It would be more interesting if you put thoughts and arguments behind these vacuous posts instead.

Also the movie is successfull already. Thus, stop polluting the thread with innane crap.
 
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JdFoX187

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thehypocrite said:
Nolan has so many people salty. I understand not liking the movie, but calling it trash and calling Nolan a fraud? lol. where's the hate hard tag when you need it. It would be more interesting if you put thoughts and arguments behind these vacuous posts instead.

Also the movie is successfull already. Thus, stop polluting the thread with innane crap.
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I think a lot of the hate comes from people putting Nolan on such a high pedestal. We had reports of people crying at the end of TDKR, we have people calling Interstellar this generation's 2001: A Space Odyssey, we had pretentious articles leading up to the release of Interstellar talking about how great of a person Nolan is and how unique he is as a director. It gets tiresome, so people have much less tolerance or issues in his movies. Not saying it's right, but that's at least partially why.
 
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thehypocrite

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JdFoX187 said:
I think a lot of the hate comes from people putting Nolan on such a high pedestal. We had reports of people crying at the end of TDKR, we have people calling Interstellar this generation's 2001: A Space Odyssey, we had pretentious articles leading up to the release of Interstellar talking about how great of a person Nolan is and how unique he is as a director. It gets tiresome, so people have much less tolerance or issues in his movies. Not saying it's right, but that's at least partially why.
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I understand that, however that's the hollywood hype machine. Nolan isn't a God or a perfect director. However, there has never been a perfect director or film so if people are driven to look for reasons to take a shit on him they will always have ammo for that. nevertheless, that's petty and pathetic and I don't want to humor their crap.

In my opinion Nolan to his credit has ambition as a director, that's commendable and it gains greater relevance in that this guy isn't making movies with small budgets, he takes hundreds of investors millions to put his ambitions into films and has been succesfull business wise so far. I can understand not liking the movie, but the crap being spewed is so low that it cannot be even called spam. At least they should put effort in the way they communicate their observations about the film and spare us from their petty shit.

I watched Interstellar yesterday, I liked the film, there's a lot for me to like about it, there's also things I don't particularly liked and things that it was obvious to me people would take an issue on, but that's normal for any film. I don't undestand why people have such a militaristic stance to take shit on Nolan and his fims, disregarding any notion of rational discourse.
 
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Alrus

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Interstellar is probably going to close in the high 500m worldwide. That's good but you can bet the movie was expected to do more.
 
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jett

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Alrus said:
Interstellar is probably going to close in the high 500m worldwide. That's good but you can bet the movie was expected to do more.
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Reminds me of Peter Jackson's King Kong's situation, although that one was more expensive.
 
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AdventureRacing

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Alrus said:
Interstellar is probably going to close in the high 500m worldwide. That's good but you can bet the movie was expected to do more.
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I'd say they would have been hoping for at least inception numbers, especially after seeing the success of gravity. Doesn't make this a failure mind you but i have no doubt they expected mroe, especially on the domestic front.
 
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jett said:
Reminds me of Peter Jackson's King Kong's situation, although that one was more expensive.
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King Kong had everything going for it:

Jackson was fresh off his LOTR high so studios were bending over backwards to give him whatever he wanted (most expensive film of all time when it came out).

King Kong has worldwide recognition.

Great Actors like Adrian Brody and Naomi Watts as the leads.

Andy Serkis as Kong.

WETA for the SFX

But in what I like to call "Heaven's Gate Syndrome," a director coming off a critical and commercial cult film to tends to not only get a massive ego, but also go unopposed with the directions he takes his films, even if his choices and stupid.

Jackson's King Kong was an hour too long, focused far too much on developing bland characters, and its action scenes went on for far too long. There was no one to restrain and reel in Jackson, and as the old saying goes "Art thrieves on creativity"

Just compare to OT star wars films vs the piss-awful prequels.

I'm not sure if "Heaven's Gate Syndrome" applies yet to Nolan. I found Intersteller bad, but nowhere near as bad as Jackson's King Kong or the SW prequels, so maybe he'll be humbled before he flies off the reigns too much.
 
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A_Gorilla said:
I'm not sure if "Heaven's Gate Syndrome" applies yet to Nolan. I found Intersteller bad, but nowhere near as bad as Jackson's King Kong or the SW prequels, so maybe he'll be humbled before he flies off the reigns too much.
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For better or for worse, Nolan is too budget-conscious to ever fall into the same trap as Michael Cimino did. Nolan doesn't strike as the type that would do something like this:

As an example of Cimino's fanatical attention to detail, a street built to his precise specifications had to be torn down and rebuilt because it reportedly "didn't look right'. The street in question needed to be six feet wider; the set construction boss said it would be cheaper to tear down one side and move it back six feet, but Cimino insisted that both sides be dismantled and moved back three feet, then reassembled.
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Or this:

In yet another egregious example, Cimino had an irrigation system built under the land where the major battlefield scene would unfold, so that it would remain vividly green, to contrast with the red color it would later be awash with after the bloody carnage.
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Or in another example that was presented in a book-only interview with Tom Noonan about the film, Cimino had ordered an entire house to be built on the set, which was then detonated with dynamite. This wasn't for a scene that was planned for the film: he just wanted to see what it would look like on film.

Heaven's Gate sure is a fun film to talk about. Maybe I'll actually watch it one day!
 
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AdventureRacing

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Interstellar is a good movie. Trying to imply that it is anything resembling his own personal 'heavens gate' is the sort of ridiculous hyperbole that makes discussing anything Nolan on GAF so difficult. It's kind of hard to take any opinions about Nolan seriously on here.
 
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jett

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Ridley327 said:
For better or for worse, Nolan is too budget-conscious to ever fall into the same trap as Michael Cimino did. Nolan doesn't strike as the type that would do something like this:



Or this:



Or in another example that was presented in a book-only interview with Tom Noonan about the film, Cimino had ordered an entire house to be built on the set, which was then detonated with dynamite. This wasn't for a scene that was planned for the film: he just wanted to see what it would look like on film.

Heaven's Gate sure is a fun film to talk about. Maybe I'll actually watch it one day!
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Yeah that will never happen with Nolan. His movies consistently come under budget, and it's reported that Interstellar came under budget by a considerable margin. He's spoken before about having to be mindful/respectful of the people that invest in his productions.
 
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I don't think studios can really view Interstellar's overseas performance as disappointing. It should wind up finishing with a similar overseas total as Gravity without the benefit of 3D. No doubt they were hoping for a better domestic take though.

Also, it's not like a director whose last 4 films have all exceeded 500M worldwide (across 3 unrelated properties no less) will suddenly find himself hurting for funding.
 
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alfredofroylan

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A_Gorilla said:
I'm not sure if "Heaven's Gate Syndrome" applies yet to Nolan. I found Intersteller bad, but nowhere near as bad as Jackson's King Kong or the SW prequels, so maybe he'll be humbled before he flies off the reigns too much.
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Michael Ciamino killed his career turning a $7 million movie into a $40 million boring slow paced extravaganza that was loved by european audiences, Nolan made a $176 million slow paced, boring at times extavaganza that is loved/hated by pretty much all audiences.

And TBH the movie already made almost $100 million on the USA, worldwide is at $321,910,000 with a big chunk of that belonging to China. Nolan is going to be ok, critics are going to be more harsh in the future... pretty much like Terrence Malick
 
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kswiston said:
I don't think studios can really view Interstellar's overseas performance as disappointing. It should wind up finishing with a similar overseas total as Gravity without the benefit of 3D. No doubt they were hoping for a better domestic take though.

Also, it's not like a director whose last 4 films have all exceeded 500M worldwide (across 3 unrelated properties no less) will suddenly find himself hurting for funding.
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It's a letdown only in the sense that Inception made $825M WW.

Still, it will be a very profitable movie and studios will be lining up to bid for his next project.
 
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overcast

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jett said:
I think people were only saying that before the movie actually released. Good or bad, it holds very little in common with 2001.
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Yeah. I feel like that's been turned into ammunition. Stupid comparison to begin with.
HK-47 said:
I dont think any of the new Disney movies are near the really great Pixar movies, just very consistently good. I am very excited for Inside Out. I love the premise.
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Yeah. Agreed. People tend to overstate this, the movies have been "good", but I'm not sure any of them have been great (well besides Tangled). I'll need to go watch Big Hero 6 soon.
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Referring to a 39% second week drop as "sinking" is one of the worst analyses I've seen in these threads.
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Yeah. I don't know what the fuck everyone is talking about. 500+ is a great number, although domestic will come in under what they expected. Nolan's last two original flicks are going to both be above 500M worldwide. That's a pretty huge success.
 
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jett said:
Yeah that will never happen with Nolan. His movies consistently come under budget, and it's reported that Interstellar came under budget by a considerable margin. He's spoken before about having to be mindful/respectful of the people that invest in his productions.
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For all the carte blanche he enjoys, he's still very much a company man. That's not a tremendous knock against him, but he knows who's paying the bills and isn't going to rock the boat too much.
 
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kswiston

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Tom_Cody said:
It's a letdown only in the sense that Inception made $825M WW.

Still, it will be a very profitable movie and studios will be lining up to bid for his next project.
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People make the mistake of thinking that performances can only go up. Nolan has a lot more viewer loyalty than most directors get as they move between IPs, but no director is going to consistently score $800M+ on every new property they put out. I doubt even James Cameron would keep that up (though we will never know, since he will be 105 by the time Avatar 4 is out).
 
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