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WNBC DS vs. PSP: "...Sony's PSP would win every time..."

Though putting up a valiant effort, Nintendo DS has a clunky and underpowered feel -- much like its home consoles. If you're a graphics purist, this probably isn't anywhere close to your stop.
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Playstation 2. the choice for graphics.
 
A graphics "purist?" What the hell does that mean?

I can't help reading the URL without thinking of Stern in Private Parts. "Double-you ENNNN bee see."
 
wnbc said:
Nintendo's recent addition of Wi-Fi features means more versatility for your DS, but unfortunately even on its best day it cannot compete with the feature-rich PSP. "PictoChat" is an entertaining and useful tool that allows users to communicate across the globe simply by writing on the screen, but one look at the PSP's internal web browser and you'll be green with envy.
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Eh? PSP still wins with DS's imaginary feature.
 
Nevermind the fact that I disagree with his overall conclusion. That article is full of factual inaccuracies and baffling opinions. A good example of why "game journalism" should be left to the enthusiasts.

"A confusing proprietary format for discs, called UMD, turned off consumers banking on the device's total compatibility with pre-existing computer hardware." Who cares that it's UMD? What else would it be?

"However, with its home consoles taking a distinct backseat to the more powerful PlayStation 2..." Any gaming enthusiast should know this isn't true.

"'PictoChat' is an entertaining and useful tool that allows users to communicate across the globe..." If by "across the globe" he means "30-100 feet away."

"...but one look at the PSP's internal web browser and you'll be green with envy." Perhaps he's never actually browsed the web on PSP. It's unbearable. I'll take PictoChat and penis drawings over awful web browsing.

"Though putting up a valiant effort, Nintendo DS has a clunky and underpowered feel -- much like its home consoles." Again with the false assumption that GameCube is underpowered (when it's got arguably the best looking game this generation).

Will non-gaming press ever get gaming right?
 
Things like this really underscore how tough it must be for casual parents/grandparents to even attempt shopping for gamer gifts. There's literally no way they can be well informed -- columnists are typically full of it, store employees are mostly clueless. To make matters worse, the complexity of choices keep increasing. Could any of you imagine your grandma trying to figure out what kind of game to get you if they didn't have a list?

Maybe I should advertise my services as a RETAIL GAMING CONSULTANT! I'll come to their house, take a look at the games on their gamer's shelf, conduct a short interview with the gamer in question, and then I accompany them to the video game store of their choice and help them shop for a nominal fee!
 
AniHawk said:
What do you expect in the technology section? The PSP is more technologically advanced than the DS. Dur.
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Ding Ding! From a technology standpoint, the PSP will always win against the DS. However, from an overall gaming standpoint, that's where they go toe-to-toe (yes people, this is actually subjective). Personally, however, the guy who wrote the article sounds like he doesn't even play videogames. His information ranges from completely inaccurate to down right trollish.
 
MarkRyan said:
"A confusing proprietary format for discs, called UMD, turned off consumers banking on the device's total compatibility with pre-existing computer hardware." Who cares that it's UMD? What else would it be?
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Personally I was hoping for a portable LaserDisc player.
 
Stop your whining. Just like the article says, games like Gran Turismo 4 on PSP > DS holiday line up. Face the truth.
 
Mode said:
Stop your whining. Just like the article says, games like Gran Turismo 4 on PSP > DS holiday line up. Face the truth.
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GT4 is why I didn't buy a DS until way after launch. But then it disappeared from the radar and I got the PS2 version instead. It'd be better then the DS holiday line-up... if I could play it.
 
but Nintendo loyalists willing to tolerate the slightly pixilated graphics and traditionally linear game formats might actually enjoy themselves.
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what exactly does he mean by that? Are PSP games somehow less linear?

alexxx said:
He learned everything he knows about video games from his 14 year old nephew.
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i think you're getting pretty close to the truth.

Mode said:
Stop your whining. Just like the article says, games like Gran Turismo 4 on PSP > DS holiday line up. Face the truth.
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but racing sims suck big fat hairy balls
 
For $130, the DS is a pretty nice piece of tech.

You're getting two LCDs, one of which is a touchscreen, built-in WiFi, decent 3D chipset, built-in microphone, GBA backwards compatibility, and pretty decent battery life.

Not everyone cares enough about gaming to pay a premium for playing on the go. For $250 or $300, a lot of people would rather have a regular full blown console or an Apple i-Pod which can simply store a lot more entertainment on the go.

Yeah sure, Nintendo could make a $250 handheld just as good as the PSP, maybe even better in some respects.

But then you just have the GBA on the affordable side of things, and I think for $30 more than the usual Game Boy price point ... all the extra stuff you get with the DS is quite a big jump.

These articles really don't matter anyway, the public has spoken and the DS has been accepted quite enthusiastically worldwide, so these types of articles are basically moot now.

Nintendogs and the success of the DS this year are definitely one of the top stories/suprises of the year.

The main knock I have on the DS right now is its too bulky. A more pocket friendly/stylish DS SP in 2006 for $99 would be great alongside New Super Mario Bros. Megaton sales.
 
soundwave05 said:
For $130, the DS is a pretty nice piece of tech.

Not everyone cares enough about gaming to pay a premium for playing on the go. For $250 or $300, a lot of people would rather have a regular full blown console or an Apple i-Pod which can simply store a lot more entertainment on the go.

Yeah sure, Nintendo could make a $250 handheld just as good as the PSP, maybe even better in some respects.

But then you just have the GBA on the affordable side of things, and I think for $30 more than the usual Game Boy price point ... all the extra stuff you get with the DS is quite a big jump.

These articles really don't matter anyway, the public has spoken and the DS has been accepted quite enthusiastically worldwide, so these types of articles are basically moot now.

Nintendogs and the success of the DS this year are definitely one of the top stories/suprises of the year.

The main knock I have on the DS right now is its too bulky. A more pocket friendly/stylish DS SP in 2006 for $99 would be great alongside New Super Mario Bros. Megaton sales.
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Y'know, I'm starting to think that ALL DS-vs-PSP threads really boil down to, "I can't afford a PSP, sour grapes, didn't really want them after all, etc."

I mean, if it's really about the games, and not the technology...then it shouldn't be about the PRICE either, right? I wonder how many DS fans would pick it over the PSP if they were at identical price points.
 
-jinx- said:
Y'know, I'm starting to think that ALL DS-vs-PSP threads really boil down to, "I can't afford a PSP, sour grapes, didn't really want them after all, etc."

I mean, if it's really about the games, and not the technology...then it shouldn't be about the PRICE either, right? I wonder how many DS fans would pick it over the PSP if they were at identical price points.
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Believe me, I can afford any game console. I didn't even want the XBox 360 but ended up buying it on a whim. Don't you just hate having tons of disposable income? :)

I'm just saying for the general market, the DS is a great option. It gives them a 3D handheld with a touchscreen and WiFi for only $30 more than the usual handheld price point. That's a huge jump up from the GBA and a great value since really you get to play GBA games as well.

PSP is a great piece of kit, don't get me wrong, and I like mine (although I'm playing a lot more DS lately). But $250-$300 handhelds aren't for everyone. That's just ridiculous to ask a lot of people to pay that kind of a price.

It's not like Nintendo couldn't make a handheld as good as the PSP if they wanted to sell it for $250-$300 ... but that wouldn't be good for the market. There needs to be a middle-ground and the DS has found it. Give Nintendo credit, they've done a helluva job with the DS. A year ago a lot of people were thinking the PSP would destroy the DS, especailly in Japan (remember the PSP pricing announcement? :lol ) and Nintendo has really taken it to Sony. This is not an N64 type situation that a lot of people predicted where Nintendo would just hand over marketshare to Sony. They've flat out kicked Sony's ass in Japan.
 
-jinx- said:
Y'know, I'm starting to think that ALL DS-vs-PSP threads really boil down to, "I can't afford a PSP, sour grapes, didn't really want them after all, etc."

I mean, if it's really about the games, and not the technology...then it shouldn't be about the PRICE either, right? I wonder how many DS fans would pick it over the PSP if they were at identical price points.
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Oh, price is definitely a factor, not just for hardware, but also for software.

At least for me it is. I don't think after the 64 era we ever needed to see $60 standard on games ever again (and admittedly, we didn't need to see them then, either). Also, $35 for a handheld game is really pushing it. $40 (Viewtiful Joe, THAS, Lunar, and a shitload of other games, I'm looking at you)-$50 is outrageous.

And for the record, $150 for a handheld is too fucking expensive too. Even if it has a game bundled with it.

I suppose that's just me. I hope not though.
 
-jinx- said:
Y'know, I'm starting to think that ALL DS-vs-PSP threads really boil down to, "I can't afford a PSP, sour grapes, didn't really want them after all, etc."

I mean, if it's really about the games, and not the technology...then it shouldn't be about the PRICE either, right? I wonder how many DS fans would pick it over the PSP if they were at identical price points.
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In a world like that, I would be having both of them right now. I don't say it shouldn't be about the price. Price has alot to do with it. I want to enjoy my games, but at the same time I don't want to end up bankrupt becase of it.
 
Yeah DS sales will likely explode to higher levels when it gets more to the magic $99 price point (and hopefully a less bulky redesign).

That's the real sweet spot for handhelds IMO. PSP won't be there for a looooong time.
 
soundwave05 said:
Yeah DS sales will likely explode to higher levels when it gets more to the magic $99 price point (and hopefully a less bulky redesign).

That's the real sweet spot for handhelds IMO. PSP won't be there for a looooong time.
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I absolutely agree with this. The $20 drop did make a big splash, mainly because looking at $150 and $130 really doesn't have that much of an effect on the consumer. However, you put that magical $99.99 and christ almighty, it would sell like hotcakes.
 
There's a ton of people who happily own both a PSP and a DS, on this board, and every other board. Why not just ask them which they prefer instead of basing it on things such as price and technical specifications?
 
AniHawk said:
Oh, price is definitely a factor, not just for hardware, but also for software.

At least for me it is. I don't think after the 64 era we ever needed to see $60 standard on games ever again (and admittedly, we didn't need to see them then, either). Also, $35 for a handheld game is really pushing it. $40 (Viewtiful Joe, THAS, Lunar, and a shitload of other games, I'm looking at you)-$50 is outrageous.

And for the record, $150 for a handheld is too fucking expensive too. Even if it has a game bundled with it.

I suppose that's just me. I hope not though.
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Absolutely. This summer I had tons of money lying around, but when it came down to buying a portable system, I picked the DS. The initial decision was largely based on games (I was in LA and my GBA was in NYC and I wanted to play Wario Twisted, as well as check out DS titles like Kirby and SMDS), but it was pretty close as I was also interested in Hot Shots (I'm a huge Hot Shots fan) and Lumines. Ultimately, I'm a sucker for fun, creative ways of playing games (I owned 2 sets of maracas and 2 sets of twin sticks for DC, for example, as well as a keyboard for Typing of the Dead) so that made picking the DS easier (not to mention the BC with my 30+ GBA game library). Even afterward though, I still had lots of money to spend and I came very close to buying the PSP on several occasions (basically going to BB every weekend and kind of ruminating over it before picking up a PS2/XB game or DVD instead), but the fucking prices were what kept me out. Not because I didn't have the cash, but because the PSP itself seemed a bit overpriced and the games especially gave me sticker shock. I don't portable game very much, so the idea of spending $40-50 on games in a pretty mediocre library just turned me off so much that I never bought the system
 
Jonnyram said:
There's a ton of people who happily own both a PSP and a DS, on this board, and every other board. Why not just ask them which they prefer instead of basing it on things such as price and technical specifications?
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Because people who prefer the DS will be accused of being Nintendo fanboys.
 
CVXFREAK said:
Because people who prefer the DS will be accused of being Nintendo fanboys.
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QFT

Either like the PSP or you are a Nintendo fanboy. It doesn't matter how much you like the PS2.
 
I have a NintendoDS and I must say that the main reason for having it before PSP is the price. When you compare the two consoles both have great games and I believe that one can be a completament of the other.

Imagine now a world with a DS with the price of PSP and a PSP with the price of DS. I believe that in this situation PSP will win.
 
Jonnyram said:
There's a ton of people who happily own both a PSP and a DS, on this board, and every other board. Why not just ask them which they prefer instead of basing it on things such as price and technical specifications?
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Because people who prefer one over the other (even among us who own both), are still going to bitch and moan at the people in the other camp.

I own both. I own 8 games I consider to be truly great for the DS with about 5 more I want to buy desperately.

I own 1 game that I consider truly great for the PSP (GTA:LCS) with no others on the horizon I'm interested in.

Lately, because I haven't beaten GTA yet, I play them about 50/50.

I'd say I've gotten my money's worth out of them about equally, because of all of the fun shit I can do with my PSP when it's in 1.5 mode.

If we limit the discussion from overall awesomeness of each platform to which one has a better game lineup, I can't really imagine anyone but the most brainwashed of the EA generation picking the PSP with a straight face over the DS at this point. It's a goddamned renaissance in game design in several instances. But the PSP crowd doesn't want to hear that.

Still, I love them equally. I just think the DS has better games so far. That'll probably no longer be true when Nintendo drops support for it in a year and announces the next Game Boy. But hey, I didn't say PSP was absolutely better, so I'm a Nintendo fanboy. Wah.
 
Why do people still feel the need to defend the DS? The game library already proves the DS worthwhile

Articles like this will always come up because yeah, the PSP has a more sleek, sexy to the consumer appearance. The PSP was designed to turn heads, and it does..at a high price. The DS IS clunky lookin and IS underpowered...that shit AIN'T sexy. The point of the DS was to be more price friendly and less fragile, and it is...at the price of horsepower and appearance. Whatever. Both systems have good games, and it's easy to argue that the DS has the superior lineup overall.

I'd say the article is pretty spot on (besides the Gran Turismo 4 mention) sans this comment:

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but Nintendo loyalists willing to tolerate the slightly pixilated graphics and traditionally linear game formats might actually enjoy themselves
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What the hell does that mean. :p
 
On paper the PSP should win everytime, but there are a lot of fun games on the DS so that doesn't matter. Why these kind of articles cause some anxiety is beyond me, just play what you like.
 
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