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[wenis]

Patton Oswalt on the miracle of childbirth from old women.

Exactly what I was thinking of :lol

"We're science! we're all about coulda not shoulda."

 

[MultiCore]

The word miracle does not mean what you think it does.
It came from the Latin mirus, which was "wonderful".
That came from the ancient European meiros, which is to be pleasantly amazed.

mir·a·cle
   /ˈmɪrəkəl/ Show Spelled[mir-uh-kuhl]
–noun
1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of god.
3. a wonder; marvel.
4. a wonderful or surpassing example of some quality: a miracle of modern acoustics.
5. miracle play.


Yeah, not the current common definition.....

 

[Messypandas]

"you're inseminated, motherfucker"

Sara Connell

 

[Hydranockz]

mir·a·cle
   /ˈmɪrəkəl/ Show Spelled[mir-uh-kuhl]


Yeah, not the current common definition.....

Doesn't make the other ones any less valid surely...

 

[speculawyer]

Good grief.

mir·a·cle   
[mir-uh-kuhl]
–noun
1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of god.
3. a wonder; marvel.
4. a wonderful or surpassing example of some quality: a miracle of modern acoustics.
5. miracle play.

World English Dictionary
miracle

— n
1. an event that is contrary to the established laws of nature and attributed to a supernatural cause
2. any amazing or wonderful event
3. a person or thing that is a marvellous example of something: the bridge was a miracle of engineering
4. short for miracle play
5. ( modifier ) being or seeming a miracle: a miracle cure.

LOL. You basically disproved your own thesis as all the primary definitions involve the supernatural.

And let's not forget that the 'miracle' was said literally right after they said they were 'praying'.

Crying and praying, Connell and her mother held hands as Finnean Lee Connell was delivered by cesarean section at 9:47 p.m.

When the baby let out a cry, "I lost it," said Sara Connell, the first family member to hold him. "It's such a miracle."

 

[MultiCore]

Doesn't make the other ones any less valid surely...

That's why context is important, and understanding what the speakers intended definition in context was, would likely lead you to infer that he was referencing the 'divine intervention' definition.

 

[mantidor]

Why couldn't they just, you know, get a surrogate that isn't in the family?

I understand people who do this, they must not like an stranger carrying their child, and it makes sense. It's a little bit creepy for the supposed incest, but at the end of the day there isn't one. And the mother is still the mother, biologically and legally.

 

[stuminus3]

Yeah, not the current common definition.....

Uh... I think that's what's kicked off this little discussion, what Mudkips says is the current common definition. People use "miracle" in meaningless conversation all the time.

Person 1: "Oh man, I was just crossing the street and this truck came at me at 100mph, it just missed me!"
Person 2: "For real? Wow, it's a miracle you weren't killed"
Person 1:"No kidding, that could have been nasty!"
Atheist Agenda-GAF: "YOU ARE WROOOOOOOONG!! THERE IS NO GOD!!!!! HERP DERP!!!"

:-/

And let's not forget that the 'miracle' was said literally right after they said they were 'praying'.

Oh, I'm not forgetting. It's just irrelevant to the entire purpose of the OP, which was to highlight an unusual, heartwarming and/or freaky story. We don't need to tear everything down with misplaced atheist rantings.

LOL. You basically disproved your own thesis as all the primary definitions involve the supernatural.

What the fuck!?

 

[mrkgoo]

I,m not sure I think it's all that weird.


It does remind me of Friends when phoebe carried her brother's baby. I thougt that was weird at e time, but probably because of all the 'it's my brother's baby' jokes.

 

[MaddenNFL64]

Uh... I think that's what's kicked off this little discussion, what Mudkips says is the current common definition. People use "miracle" in meaningless conversation all the time.

Person 1: "Oh man, I was just crossing the street and this truck came at me at 100mph, it just missed me!"
Person 2: "For real? Wow, it's a miracle you weren't killed"
Person 1:"No kidding, that could have been nasty!"
Athiest Agenda-GAF: "YOU ARE WROOOOOOOONG!! THERE IS NO GOD!!!!! HERP DERP!!!"

:-/

I think in her context, it was about god, but I see your point.

Still, fuck the word miracle. Makes it seem like the wind gods pushed you out of the way or something. supernatural shit, meh.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

more irresponsible breeding I see....

 

[Hydranockz]

I think in her context, it was about god, but I see your point.

Still, fuck the word miracle. Makes it seem like the wind gods pushed you out of the way or something. supernatural shit, meh.

Well, to most people these days the crazy rate at which science is progressing is an awful thing. Look around you. The little box in your pocket can contact someone from the other side of the globe, play music seemlessly and can record high quality video etc... Tell someone 20 years ago any of this and they would not believe you.

While science is well thought out, logical and entirely based on what we can observe to be 'true', it can still confound the minds of those who aren't scientists or people who know these things.

If she had said the moment was magical was Gaf gonna say wizards didn't do it? C'mon guys, can we not acknowledge this happening as an amazing event?

"I just wanted to make sure the science was there,"

Now what say ye?

 

[MaddenNFL64]

Well, to most people these days the crazy rate at which science is progressing is an awful thing. Look around you. The little box in your pocket can contact someone from the other side of the globe, play music seemlessly and can record high quality video etc... Tell someone 20 years ago any of this and they would not believe you.

While science is well thought out, logical and entirely based on what we can observe to be 'true', it can still confound the minds of those who aren't scientists or people who know these things.

If she had said the moment was magical was Gaf gonna say wizards didn't do it? C'mon guys, can we not acknowledge this happening as an amazing event?

Well, we've had surrogate mothers for a while now. Women giving birth to children without any of their own DNA (well, she is the grandmother, so...). It is amazing, i'll give you that.

Oh, and

edit: Heh, the father was good to ask. Respect to him. Seems his wife & mother-in-law went real spiritual with it. Which is fine.

 

[Hydranockz]

Well, we've had surrogate mothers for a while now. Women giving birth to children without any of their own DNA (well, she is the grandmother, so...). It is amazing, i'll give you that.

Oh, and

http://i.imgur.com/ayZMV.jpg[img][/QUOTE]
Yeah but a surrogate mother [I]at that age[/I] is mind bending. It defies what most people would consider plausible by going against nature almost :p

:lol @ the pic

 

[PflargBlarg]

That's pretty damn cool. Creepy but cool.



That's the difference between you and other Atheists. You can accept that some people have different beliefs and are ok with that. Some feel the need to shit all over people who believe in god and are religious.

That makes you better then them in my book.

It's not even about religion. I think many atheists would call something a miracle even though they know that it is not literally a miracle. It just means something amazing. Modern medicine is a miracle.

 

[poppabk]

I wonder what the baby absorbed via umbilical cord...I've not reached 400 level genetics yet, but something in my mind is telling me there may be something dormant in his genes as a result.

The mother...err the mother who gave birth could influence the epi-genetic make-up of the child, ie which genes get expressed.

 

[electroshockwave]

If I needed a surrogate I don't think I would ask my 61 year old mother/-in-law to do it. Aside from probably having a higher risk of complications something about it seems a little weird.

 

[TheExodu5]

This.

And that is a very important thing to remember because people are deluding themselves with hopes for miracles. We need to recognize our limits and carefully work with them. It is awesome when we are able to do great things . . . but they are not 'miracles' . . . they are the results of hard work, investment, research, development, refinement, testing, etc.

It's a miracle if you have any friends whatsoever.

 

[MaddenNFL64]

Yeah but a surrogate mother at that age is mind bending. It defies what most people would consider plausible by going against nature almost

:lol @ the pic

Just working with natures tools. natural eggs, sperm, uterus, normal gestation & birth.

Just uh, we've messed around with how it's done a bit .

 

[Hydranockz]

Just working with natures tools. natural eggs, sperm, uterus, normal gestation & birth.

Just uh, we've messed around with how it's done a bit .

If you take the first pic as how nature intended it to be... and then...

 

[projekt84]

That kid is really, really going to get made fun of a lot in school.

No reason anyone would have to know.

 

[mj1108]

Can't wait for the kid to join GAF in about 15 years with a GRANDMA-MOM-AGE thread telling how he just found out his Grandmother gave birth to him.

 

[MaddenNFL64]

Can't wait for the kid to join GAF in about 15 years with a GRANDMA-MOM-AGE thread telling how he just found out his Grandmother gave birth to him.

Haha, we all be 40 trolling the shit out of him.

 

[rexor0717]

I expected much worse than what the story delivered. All is well.

 

[Complex Shadow]

looks like i am not needed here. carry on.

 

[butzopower]

Now have a daughter give birth to her mother and father's child! COULD A DOG BIRTH ITS MASTER?! WTFFFF!!!

 

[dalemurphy]

GAF Atheists are much more insufferable than GAF Non-Atheists.

 

[Stridone]

GAF Atheists are much more insufferable than GAF Non-Atheists.

Are you fucking kidding me? People like Willy105 are worth at least 10 GAF atheists. Religious-GAF just loves repeating how smug and intolerant atheist GAF is as soon as one atheist makes his beliefs or disdain for religion known...

As far as the story goes, I don't think it's heartwarming, just a bit gross, but whatever.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

i don't see anything wrong with that.

nope, science fuck yea.

 

[ultim8p00]

Yep it's a miracle all right. Modern science and medical technology had nothing to do with this!

OMN HOW DARE THEY!!

Edit: I've never understood why some atheists feel the need to shit down anything religious they see. I personally keep my shit to myself unless some nutjob is trying to pass something ridiculous into law or something along those lines. This is an incredible story, no need to shit down their necks because they prayed about it and called it a miracle.

 

[NotWii]

wow, a miracle...
like 8 billion others

 

[MaddenNFL64]

OMN HOW DARE THEY!!

Edit: I've never understood why some atheists feel the need to shit down anything religious they see. I personally keep my shit to myself unless some nutjob is trying to pass something ridiculous into law or something along those lines. This is an incredible story, no need to shit down their necks because they prayed about it and called it a miracle.

Eh, it's the internet noise machine. I would never go "Miracle.. Pff. I spit on your miracle!" in real life. Like who the fuck does that.

But on this here internets, man i'm saying my opinion. I'm a nice anonymous though. Truly, I am.

 

[MrPing1000]

Come with me if you... oh sorry wrong person.

I want to be in the room when they finally explain to the kid where they came from.

: I wonder if my opinion that artificial insemination should be illegal is popular at all. There is 7 billion of us, we don't need anymore. Adopt if you really need a kid Mrs. Barren.

 

[Strike]

Now we need to make it possible for men to become surrogates.

 

[MaddenNFL64]

I got it!

A plastic uterus with hormones sprayed all over the place, right, and rubber fallopian tubes! And then grow the kid in a plastic bag, artificial womb!

It's perfect. Don't question this.

 

[Zozz]

Come with me if you... oh sorry wrong person.

I want to be in the room when they finally explain to the kid where they came from.

: I wonder if my opinion that artificial insemination should be illegal is popular at all. There is 7 billion of us, we don't need anymore. Adopt if you really need a kid Mrs. Barren.

So you're never going to have kids?

Also what's wrong with the grandma being the surrogate mom? Its probably a hell of a lot cheaper. Such backwards thinking, fuck your morals and your customs. Problem?

 

[Trent Strong]

Niiiiice. Oh wait...never mind.

 

[geeko]

Doesn't that make him a uncle of himself...... wtf

 

[∀ Narayan]

Pretty amazing!