Woman Goes on Racist Rant at Target

Poor Hitler, he believed in paranoid conspiracy theories and wanted to kill all jews, guy had mental health issues bless his soul
 
Nepenthe said:
No one can say whether or not she definitely has mental issues because she hasn't been diagnosed, as far as we know. She could be drunk, strung out, really stupid, or having just "one bad day." All of these are equivalent hypotheticals.

So why default to the one that gives her the most leverage and turn an issue that's definitely about the victimization of minorities into one that may or may not be about sympathy for hypothetically mentally ill white people? Why does no one ever argue any of the others? Is it because "She probably had a hard day at work and just snapped, so give her a mulligan" doesn't sound as empathetic?
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Nepenthe, I like your posts a lot. They tend to cut through the BS and take no prisoners without being a dick, which can be pretty rare here. I also get your personal stake, and I don't want to try to argue against any of this, but I don't think it's as simple as you're making it out.

The negative perception of mental health is a real issue that needs solving too.

While the majority of the time you see "mental health" used as a defense I'd be right with you, most of the time it's a bullshit and lazy defense, there are times however that mental health is the primary driving force not racism and that leads us into two important conversations that cross over.

Sometimes it is important to highlight both and discuss both, this may or may not be one of those times but there's enough evidence to suggest we should consider it. For now at least...

Nepenthe said:
So she was DEFINITELY involved in a traumatic car accident that injured her brain?
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No, of course not.

You will never find me on a video of a person losing their shit at a Starbucks because they go the wrong order, going on a racist tirade, and suggesting "they may be mentally unstable". It's a bullshit excuse for the majority of cases.

I've explained why I'm taking a stance here, though.

I'm not suggesting we brush the racism away, I'm saying here there seems to be the need to two conversation, or one that combines both aspects doesn't just dismiss the other.
 
Snarky(HEART) said:
We've had presidents that kept slaves. Normal people definitely wouldn't do that right?! Those poor mentally ill men.
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Mhmm. Even if she could theoretically be mentally ill, that doesn't justify brushing something off as "oh, just a mentally ill racist." Maybe, I dunno, she's just a bad person? And when she was apprehended, she panicked and experienced extreme duress due to the fact that this incident is going to define her for the rest of her life now?
 
Zakalwe said:
Nepenthe, I like your posts a lot. They tend to cut through the BS and take no prisoners without being a dick, which can be pretty rare here. I also get your personal stake, and I don't want to try to argue against any of this, but I don't think it's as simple as you're making it out.

The negative perception of mental health is a real issue that needs solving too.

While the majority of the time you see "mental health" used as a defense I'd be right with you, most of the time it's a bullshit and lazy defense, there are times however that mental health is the primary driving force not racism and that leads us into two important conversations that cross over.

Sometimes it is important to highlight both and discuss both, this may or may not be one of those times but there's enough evidence to suggest we should consider it. For now at least...



No, of course not.

You will never find me on a video of a person losing their shit at a Starbucks because they go the wrong order, going on a racist tirade, and suggesting "they may be mentally unstable". It's a bullshit excuse for the majority of cases.

I've explained why I'm taking a stance here, though.

I'm not suggesting we brush the racism away, I'm saying here there seems to be the need to two conversation, or one that combines both aspects doesn't just dismiss the other.
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The fact is, mental illness will always be one of many common defenses used for any white person that does anything wrong. That's just something you're gonna have to deal with if you want to improve anything. Maybe take note at the disparity between how often people bring up mental illness with white People and how often they bring it up with PoC.
 
I'm not sure why it's so hard for certain people to understand how minorities are so easily demonized for offenses like these while white people get to have these sorts of conversations and defenses of their mental state when they do the same.
 
You would think that after that woman who got racist after raging against the kiss in the sandwich shop turned out to be fucking nuts, Gaffers would have learned not to immediately cast aspersions when people posit mental illness, rather than racism, as precipitating situations like this, but apparently not.
 
Zakalwe said:
I'm not suggesting we brush the racism away, I'm saying here there seems to be the need to two conversation, or one that combines both aspects doesn't just dismiss the other.
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But you were really quick to pivot from what was a situation where racism was an obvious factor. And you're not letting it go, which is equally unfortunate.
 
Note that the fact this thread was unable to even BEGIN to be about dealing with awful racism like this, but instead was once again turned into a debate about whether someone is mentally ill or just a racist.

It's because some people refuse to have the first conversation.
 
Somehow it's always the white folks that are mentally ill that are racist, the illness only affect white people or something.
 
"I'll leave if you let go"

AYE!

"I'll leave if you let go"

YAHHH!

"HELLLLLP!!"

AYE!!

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Twitter was on this days ago.
 
She seemed like she was fully aware of what was happening once she started catching the hands of consequences, so I'm gonna go ahead and believe she knew what she was saying and doing up until that point.

If you scream "sand nigger" at a group of brown people, then you're a racist piece of shit. At that point, I don't have a single ounce of empathy for your plight.
 
Snarky(HEART) said:
The fact is, mental illness will always be one of many common defenses used for any white person that does anything wrong. That's just something you're gonna have to deal with if you want to improve anything. Maybe take note at the disparity between how often people bring up mental illness with white People and how often they bring it up with PoC.
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I think my posts did a pretty good job of explaining I understand this is difficult.

I've written numerous times it's a BS excuse for the majority of cases.

You all have to acknowledge that there /will/ be cases of severely mentally disabled/ill people doing awful things, right? What do you suggest we do when presented with a situation that needs to consider more than just the racism because the other primary aspect is also attached to a pretty big social problem that needs addressing?

I'm as tired as the rest of you for BS excuses for racism, we're being drowned in that shit with a constant stream, but there sometimes it's not that simple...
 
giga said:
I'm not sure why it's so hard for certain people to understand how minorities are so easily demonized for offenses like these while white people get to have these sorts of conversations and defenses of their mental state when they do the same.
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And that is a repulsively unfortunate situation that is a result of the inherent racism of American society. You get no argument from me there at all.
 
Rmagnus said:
Somehow it's always the white folks that are mentally ill that are racist, the illness only affect white people or something.
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Have you heard of Affluenza?? It's something only white people catch, and its usually diagnosed after they're caught doing something naughty.
 
No shoes on in the supermarket tells us that she's not all there. Shouting sand nigger tells us she's a racist. This isn't difficult.
 
Zakalwe said:
Nepenthe, I like your posts a lot. They tend to cut through the BS and take no prisoners without being a dick, which can be pretty rare here. I also get your personal stake, and I don't want to try to argue against any of this, but I don't think it's as simple as you're making it out.

The negative perception of mental health is a real issue that needs solving too.

While the majority of the time you see "mental health" used as a defense I'd be right with you, most of the time it's a bullshit and lazy defense, there are times however that mental health is the primary driving force not racism and that leads us into two important conversations that cross over.

Sometimes it is important to highlight both and discuss both, this may or may not be one of those times but there's enough evidence to suggest we should consider it. For now at least...
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Through my own life experiences, I don't ever want to deny that mental health is an issue in America due to its stigma and subsequent lack of cultural understanding and healthcare options. My point is that trying to definitively diagnose someone from a YouTube video as mentally ill is impossible unless they're displaying excessively distinct symptoms exclusive to a few diseases, of which I don't think being a paranoid racist counts as, and as such it inherently remains a hypothetical equivalent to "one bad day," which most people on GAF never default to in these situations. As such, I don't agree with turning a situation that is definitely about minority victimization (because her words are on tape) to one that's about the most sympathetic excuse for someone's behavior without the receipts that back it up. Because the possibility always remains that everyone defaulting to mental illness is utterly wrong and thus they're essentially giving white racists an out, and I'm tired of them having those avenues of mitigation by default, especially when compared to the tone towards ISIS sympathizers or black cop killers. Like, who thought Christopher Dorner was sick in the head during the man hunt and what he needed was understanding, and that the situation needed to be appropriated for mental health causes?
 
Zakalwe said:
I think my posts did a pretty good job of explaining I understand this is difficult.

I've written numerous times it's a BS excuse for the majority of cases.

You all have to acknowledge that there /will/ be cases of severely mentally disabled/ill people doing awful things, right? What do you suggest we do when presented with a situation that needs to consider more than just the racism because the other primary aspect is also attached to a pretty big social problem that needs addressing?

I'm as tired as the rest of you for BS excuses for racism, we're being drowned in that shit with a constant stream, but there sometimes it's not that simple...
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How about you focus on helping mentally ill people that aren't racist first
 
Its amazing to see someone breaking bottles, throwing stuff, attacking people and then be like "I didn't do anything, just let me go and I'll leave will be fine."


Also I'd bet millions of dollars there is some kind of nut job conspiracy theory about transgender loving target having some kind of flesh cave torture den.


Shit has info wars viewer written all over it.



Edit: The "ill leave if you let go" protest chant, is hilarious. I'm sorry.
 
So much arguing...Last I checked, this was not a mental health specific discussion forum where we all break down the DSM-5 vs case studies. We are all just common people making educated guesses.

She is clearly racist and she is exhibiting behaviours that could be a result of mental issues or maybe she is just a racist that acts crazy. She is racist and IF she is mentally ill, the two are exclusive to each other and one does not excuse the other. If someone exhibiting a mental disorder pushed my daughter down at a store and kicked at her in a rant/rage, I would still break their face in the same way I would someone that just did it randomly walking by. They can still go get treated for their disorder and hopefully they become a better person in the process.
 
Nepenthe said:
Through my own life experiences, I don't ever want to deny that mental health is an issue in America due to its stigma and subsequent lack of cultural understanding and healthcare options. My point is that trying to definitively diagnose someone from a YouTube video as mentally ill is impossible unless they're displaying excessively distinct symptoms exclusive to a few diseases, of which I don't think being a paranoid racist counts as, and as such it inherently remains a hypothetical equivalent to "one bad day," which most people on GAF never default to in these situations. As such, I don't agree with turning a situation that is definitely about minority victimization (because her words are on tape) to one that's about the most sympathetic excuse for someone's behavior without the receipts that back it up. Because the possibility always remains that everyone defaulting to mental illness is utterly wrong and thus they're essentially giving white racists an out, and I'm tired of them having those avenues of mitigation by default, especially when compared to the tone towards ISIS sympathizers or black cop killers. Like, who thought Christopher Dorner was sick in the head during the man hunt and what he needed was understanding, and that the situation needed to be appropriated for mental health causes?
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See, this is why this particular video is difficult.

We have obvious racism on absolute show. No question. "San N" hard R and all.

We also have, what appears to me due to my experience n the past, a person clearly showing signs of severe mental health issues.

This isn't like those videos of people being racist with only their irrational anger as a clue and people using the "mental health" defense, there's as much here to suggest a severe mental health issue as there is obviously omitted racism which almost always isn't the case.

This is why I'm having difficulty here specifically, this video specifically, as to me it highlights a mental health issue as the primary factor despite there being obvious racial issues too.

If negative perception of mental health wasn't a problem that needed addressing I wouldn't be saying anything. As it is, it makes this conversation really fucking difficult.

Snarky(HEART) said:
How about you focus on helping mentally ill people that aren't racist first
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I don't even know where to begin here...
 
Always-honest said:
That's your conclusion. A perfectly dumb one but that's the time we live in.
Nobody hete is saying racism is okay. Nobody here says white racists are mentlly ill and they can't help it. We're just discussing this woman who is clearly fucking mental.
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I am glad you edited your previous answer to me and added that she is clearly a racist at the end :} I appreciate your change of heart.

For the rest we will agree to disagree, buddy.
 
Rmagnus said:
Somehow it's always the white folks that are mentally ill that are racist, the illness only affect white people or something.
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Nah. Where i live we have our own little nutcase jihadist. Dude shouts extreme stuff all day and he seems scary at first but then you find out he's mentally ill. We kinda laugh it off. He's no real threath.
Doesn't mean what he says is any less disturbing because he picked that up somewhere.
We need to look at this on a case by case basis.

It's logical that we react aggressively to racism. It needs to go and be a thing of the past. But we also have to be aware that we don't just start shooting mentally ill people.

We (me too) can't be sure she is mentally ill but the signs are clealry there.
 
I dont think rationalizing to yourself that a racist is one thing but one that is so "crazy" as to yell that racist shit in a Target or throw some boxes of cookies must be "mentally ill" is a valid diagnosis. Maybe if you were a racist you would keep it to yourself but others might not and regardless, thats not what mental health and behavior is. I dont think anything she did could ever be used as a diagnosis for a disorder so theres no way anyone can state shes obviously mentally ill without there being the major fucking caveat of *(* - theres no way anyone could ever tell this from looking). Being a loud crazy asshole does not mean you have a mental illness automatically. Some people are just shit. You cant go into a psychiatrist and say i think black people are niggers and I threw some ritz bits when i was mad and be diagnosed with a condition. If anything, that looked MUCH less like a manic episode and much more like a dramatic low IQ tantrum.
 
Just a reminder of the UW student that pleaded guilty to arson of two black churches back in 2015 who now wants to lead an alt-right group on his college campus.

He claim that he burnt those churches because he was mentally ill back then, and he does not correlate his alt-right beliefs with racism.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=229164797

The victims of racism are forgotten while the conversation switches to a new victim: the racist. And rarely does society take a step back and say, "But let's also address the racism."
 
No matter how far gone a bigots mind is they always retain that feeling of being superior to other ethnicities. That's how toxic racism is. That's how mich it distorts the mind of the bigot.

This lady probably can't even tell you what day it is. But she can tell you you're a type of nigger.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
No matter how far gone a bigots mind is they always retain that feeling of being superior to other ethnicities. That's how toxic racism is. That's how mich it distorts the mind of the bigot.

This lady probably can't even tell you what day it is. But she can tell you you're a type of nigger.
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This is true, but it is also true that easy, overly simplistic, prepackaged worldviews like racism can be attractive to people who spend enough time dealing with their inner dysfunction that they have few resources to engage with the wider world in any kind of substantive way.
 
We have people that do worse shit than this online on a daily basis. Don't see them getting called mentally ill. Actually wait, when they are white, I do.

Being a loud asshole doing weird things doesn't automatically make you mentally ill. Like I said, you'll clearly don't know what some people will feel emboldened to do by their racism.

People's racism has been used as a justification to enslave, rape, toture, experiment on people and children, sic dogs on people, throw acid at them, shoot them, beat them, lie and say they commited a crime to get them arrested or executed.

All by people completely sane.
 
DeSo said:
This is your forum, Evilore.
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If you don't like it here then don't come here.

There is nothing in this thread worthy of that response. Oh no, people may be overreacting because they want to say a racist woman is racist instead of giving her the benefit of the doubt. What a shit liberal forum!!!! Maybe think why you are defending this woman so much you'll attack the whole forum over it. You know her?
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
This is true, but it is also true that easy, overly simplistic, prepackaged worldviews like racism can be attractive to people who spend enough time dealing with their inner dysfunction that they have few resources to engage with the wider world in any kind of substantive way.
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I've met plenty of mentally ill people that aren't racist in the slightest. That shit was already there before the illness many times.

Plenty of non mentally ill people responsible for perpetuating that shit to begin with.
 
Really? Only one guy on duty at a department store? They should at least one big guy from the sales floor on staff to help with the bullshit like this.
 
A member of my family has severe mental health issues. Perhaps as a result of long hospital stays during which they had run-ins with mental health nurses, who happened to be predominantly West Indian, they often throw blood-curdling racist slurs around when they're in the middle of a psychotic episode.

When they're lucid they're a very different person, and express contempt for racism. It really is like a Jekyll and Hyde situation. In reference to Bruce Banner's alter ego in The Avengers, they've taken to referring to this other side of themselves as "the other guy."
 
Mammoth Jones said:
I've met plenty of mentally ill people that aren't racist in the slightest. That shit was already there before the illness many times.

Plenty of non mentally ill people responsible for perpetuating that shit to begin with.
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Latter sentence is completely true, former sentence... yes, but my point is such ideologies can be etiologically complex in such individuals.
 
It appears my mental illnesses are under control now that I'm taking my meds and seeing a psychiatrist regularly. Does PsychiatryGaf think it's ok for me to drink again or nah?
 
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