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[bundylove]

So... Women don't put effort into anything ?

WHat is a woman??

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

You are a leftist lunatic mental case.

That's literally what it says though. They decided to phrase it in a way that sex/gender was determined by which sex they belonged to "at conception". Conception is when the egg is fertilized. A fetus is sexless until almost 2 months into development.

Why they didn't simply say "at birth" is beyond me. They really didn't even need to specify a time. It's not like you can swap out your chromosomes later in life.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

 

[bundylove]

That's literally what it says though. They decided to phrase it in a way that sex/gender was determined by which sex they belonged to "at conception". Conception is when the egg is fertilized. A fetus is sexless until almost 2 months into development.

Why they didn't simply say "at birth" is beyond me. They really didn't even need to specify a time. It's not like you can swap out your chromosomes later in life.

I see.

It has a flaw though.
I lived in a few countries and also traveled a lot. In many places it will say sex at birth.

So dont think this applies in all cases

 

[Madserb2023]

I have a question. Do straight men believe they are the only audience that should be catered to? That’s what many of you imply here.

No one is critiquing the utterly unsustainable business models of rapid expansionism with higher profit margins with smaller budgets and less time. You instead , just like the rest of the partisans , look to blame a minority scapegoat for problems.

You people need to get a grip.

Yes and no. The problem is that the majority of people who are spending lots of money on games are straight white men. Typically you do in business cater to your audience. I have worked for cosmetic companies where the audience is 90% women and our products are designed around women. Whenever we made them more masculine to appeal to men, they failed. However, I never thought that it was bad that women stopped buying our products when we started to appeal more to men. That's the issue here. This always happens. McDonald's change their menu for different countries to appeal to the different tastes. I think a lot of people who go into to gaming just don't like the fact that's this is the audience they have to cater to but it's for all businesses.

 

[DinoD]

I don't care who sits behind a game as long as it's free of forced narratives and forced inclusions.

 

[TheSHEEEP]

Keep in mind the reporter here is "The Gamer", a site with an agenda so clear (and not hiding it, either) that nothing from that site can be taken at face value.
So they'll twist that GDC report to their liking as much as they can get away with.

In addition to that, GDC is far from neutral on its own - and those participating in/with GDC are already ensuring a skewed statistic to begin with. Most developers (ie anything out of large devs/publishers) are not even part of the GDC circle.
So those 32% ?
Yeah, probably not - you can likely slash that almost in half.

All that said, of course the games industry has more non-straight & people outside of "norms" working in it.
That's true for all entertainment industries. Always has been.

 

[Puscifer]

That's way above the US average. I think you can create a ven diagram with LGTBQ+ and Programmers at both ends and autism in the middle.

Outcast end up in tech, it's that easy and isn't surprising. You think I'm joking? Go to the Lockheed Martin LinkedIn page, sort by titles like software engineer, cloud admin, etc and see how my trans people there are. Not like I care personally, but it's just interesting?

 

[GymWolf]

'what goes up must come down'

Are you talking about their testosterone count?

 

[LiquidMetal14]

No wonder the indirectly is crumbling lol

Probably lots of DEI happening based on the quality of games these days.

 

[GymWolf]

The question now is, are these people getting hired because they are good at what they do?

 

[Kiya's Guard]

Women and non binary. So men comprise the 68%, and a percentage of that 32%.

 

[Idleyes]

To complain about people being “woke,” you must first be aware of social injustices, making you, in effect, “woke".

Just sayin.

 

[kruis]

Outcast end up in tech, it's that easy and isn't surprising. You think I'm joking? Go to the Lockheed Martin LinkedIn page, sort by titles like software engineer, cloud admin, etc and see how my trans people there are. Not like I care personally, but it's just interesting?

I noticed this phenomenon in the emulator community. Every single female developer working on an emulator was transgender.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Data can always be easily manipulated to present a particular ... point of view.

The data in distinct, non-aggregated categories, such as:

Men (straight):
Women (straight):
Men (LGBTQ+):
Women (LGBTQ+):
Non-binary developers:

may ensure clarity and minimise bias.

Also is the data from global organizations included or just Western?

USA only

Sums it up, Japanese and Chinese studios don’t put up with this bollocks

 

[Toots]

A much more interesting stat :
Talentless hacks (regardless or gender or sexual orientation) make up for at least 70% of all game developpers.

 

[MarV0]

So... Women don't put effort into anything ?

I've seen women put an enormous effort into securing rich men.

 

[Clear]

Lets see what's left after this year's layoff season LOL

 

[EN250]

Explains a lot, that's how they keep alienating the main audience till they can have their tiny niche of mentally broke people contained in this industry while everyone else moves on to whatever else is more aligned with what they actually want without getting the message shoved down the throat

 

[Dr. Suchong]

The industry is healing!
/s

 

[Zacfoldor]

plenty of woke games sold alot
Baldur's gate 3 - has pronouns , trans characters , homosexuals act more horny
Hogwarts Legacy - has pronouns and a trans npc that you cant avoid in the main story
The last of us 2 - no explination needed
Dark souls/Elden ring - has body type A/B , plenty of characters that are described as trans
Spider man 2 - has dumb boss fight with a female and she constantly says how the male kept her from becoming a strong independent woman , side quest where you help a gay couple and many more

Most gamers dont hate woke elements , they hate bad games with woke elements and you hear them say '' but in BG 3 woke elements are not your face like Veilguard '' , does it matter ? , you are either pro or against woke

Having a human being of any kind in any game doesn't make it woke. Neither does pronouns.

Rather, it is the content of the character of the game that makes it woke.

For example, Veilguard is woke. You cannot go outside the woke and do your own thing. In BG3 I can fuck up woke in a playthrough and I'm free to do that.

Only games that force feed me woke count. Games with "woke elements" is bullshit designed to marginalize our argument. I mean bro, you think Elden Ring is the same thing as Veilguard or SSKTJL? Not at all. Not even talking about the same thing.

Of the games you listed only Spider-Man 2 and TLOU2 is woke.

 

[samoilaaa]

Having a human being of any kind in any game doesn't make it woke. Neither does pronouns.

Rather, it is the content of the character of the game that makes it woke.

For example, Veilguard is woke. You cannot go outside the woke and do your own thing. In BG3 I can fuck up woke in a playthrough and I'm free to do that.

Only games that force feed me woke count. Games with "woke elements" is bullshit designed to marginalize our argument. I mean bro, you think Elden Ring is the same thing as Veilguard or SSKTJL? Not at all. Not even talking about the same thing.

Of the games you listed only Spider-Man 2 and TLOU2 is woke.

everyone has their own standards and buys games acording to them , if people wanted to buy veilguard its their problem , i cant force anyone to spend money on the type of stuff i like

its ok if i consider a game woke and dont buy it , its also ok if you consider it non-woke and buy it

 

[viveks86]

Actually...

He said "at conception" in his EO... Sex isn't determined "at conception"... You're genderless "at conception"... So he's said we're neither male or female. Per the EO. LoL!

Actually, you are wrong. The media has been overplaying this misinformation a lot. Sex is established at conception based on how the chromosomes mix during fertilization. Sex characteristics such as organs, hormones etc. do develop later. There are exceptions with intersex (such as XXY), but they are very rare exceptions to the rule.

Pretty crazy for this to be in a presidential EO, but that's where we are... :/

That's literally what it says though. They decided to phrase it in a way that sex/gender was determined by which sex they belonged to "at conception". Conception is when the egg is fertilized. A fetus is sexless until almost 2 months into development.

Why they didn't simply say "at birth" is beyond me. They really didn't even need to specify a time. It's not like you can swap out your chromosomes later in life.

See above on sex determination. The reason may be to further reduce legal loopholes of people being assigned the wrong sex at birth or unverifiable birth certificates (especially foreigners)? They just used whatever definition would result in fewer exceptions and legal wiggle room.

To complain about people being “woke,” you must first be aware of social injustices, making you, in effect, “woke".

Just sayin.

The term has long lost its original meaning and is now a pejorative. The dictionaries can't keep up!

Yes and no. The problem is that the majority of people who are spending lots of money on games are straight white men. Typically you do in business cater to your audience. I have worked for cosmetic companies where the audience is 90% women and our products are designed around women. Whenever we made them more masculine to appeal to men, they failed. However, I never thought that it was bad that women stopped buying our products when we started to appeal more to men. That's the issue here. This always happens. McDonald's change their menu for different countries to appeal to the different tastes. I think a lot of people who go into to gaming just don't like the fact that's this is the audience they have to cater to but it's for all businesses.

The majority, yes, but not so big a majority that you can make a cosmetics industry comparison. Slice the data however you would like and it is no way close to what the cosmetics industry is. There are preferences for platform (console/mobile vs PC) or genre (adventure/puzzles vs online shooters), but you can't make a broad brush statement like that for gaming. The female audience is significant enough (30-50% in most categories) to be catered to and considered in all game design (except may be PC-only online shooters and some strategy games).

The problem is that there aren't as many female developers competing in the space compared to male developers and so you end up with these ratios artificially created via DEI programs to reflect the gaming audience. That's simply not a sustainable approach. Most DEI programs are being dismantled anyway, so these numbers will shift again over time.

 

[mckmas8808]

Your post is predictable.

This kind of growth isn’t organic. It’s forced by ideologues within the industry and DEI policies. To deny that obvious fact is willful ignorance.

The amount of "Game Developers" also increased post 2020. We ALL know this! It's why there's been over 10,000 game dev layoffs since then. I'd assume some of these layoffs are the women that were hired that increased their percentage. The "pandemic" over hiring was always going to reverse itself as market forces would make that so.

 

[GymWolf]

To complain about people being “woke,” you must first be aware of social injustices, making you, in effect, “woke".

Just sayin.

We are aware that most of these social injustice are exagerated horsecrap fluff.

 

[ULTROS!]

Western Gaming industry is dead.

Fixed

And that my friends is why I stay away from modern Western games nowadays.

#TeamAsianGames

 

[Brumfieldhm]

You literally seething and shaking right now???

Haha 100 posts in 11 years just to combat people who you don't agree with, Fuck off back to the purple palace safehaven.

MinORitY

You can’t engage with my ideas because you lack nuance or understanding so this is what you chose to write

 

[DeafTourette]

You literally seething and shaking right now???

Haha 100 posts in 11 years just to combat people who you don't agree with, Fuck off back to the purple palace safehaven.

MinORitY

You're threatened by his analysis and you try to blame a literal minority population (possibly multiple) for the fall of Western gaming when most games that succeed are a whole swath of so-called "woke" and "non-woke" and in-between... It's not one or the other.

But go ahead and laugh and act like you currently are

 

[Tajaz2426]

So, they’re all men and women. Idiocracy, right in front of our eyes.

 

[Madonis]

Why is this even an issue? Let them make games.

If the game is good, then great. If the game sucks, then so be it.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

I have a question. Do straight men believe they are the only audience that should be catered to? That’s what many of you imply here.

No one is critiquing the utterly unsustainable business models of rapid expansionism with higher profit margins with smaller budgets and less time. You instead , just like the rest of the partisans , look to blame a minority scapegoat for problems.

You people need to get a grip.

We've had a multitude of games over the past 3 decades and it's only recently where there has been significant 'pro-LGBT' messaging included in games.

Games from the PS1/PS2/PS3 ere were all about fun experiences and unique stories. There was NO hidden or overt agenda. Why should your sexuality, pronouns, or genital mutilation be the forefront of a video game?

 

[viveks86]

You're threatened by his analysis and you try to blame a literal minority population (possibly multiple) for the fall of Western gaming when most games that succeed are a whole swath of so-called "woke" and "non-woke" and in-between... It's not one or the other.

But go ahead and laugh and act like you currently are

The fact that he went straight to the post history for what was a simple counter point should suggest this was not going to be a productive exchange. Will likely happen to you as well, I'm afraid.

And now, likely me as well. Lol

 

[Tajaz2426]

Why is this even an issue? Let them make games.

If the game is good, then great. If the game sucks, then so be it.

I’d say it is more them on the Twitters platform thing that musk owns. They call everyone racists, bigots, the game isn’t made for us, yada, yada. It has just been years of idiocy.

I’ve never been to a car dealership, have them call me racist for not liking their vehicles and then go ahead and purchase one from people who call me that.

It probably has turned off 100s of millions around the world that are normal folks who give their opinions. I don’t have twitters but my kids do and they see it all and talk to me.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

not gonna lie, All the DEI BS the past 5 years felt like some kind of weird psyop to make a few more gays.

 

[Brumfieldhm]

We've had a multitude of games over the past 3 decades and it's only recently where there has been significant 'pro-LGBT' messaging included in games.

Games from the PS1/PS2/PS3 ere were all about fun experiences and unique stories. There was NO hidden or overt agenda. Why should your sexuality, pronouns, or genital mutilation be the forefront of a video game?

Why are you hung up on literal pronouns? Are you aware of the amount of work , years , code, teamwork is required to get a presentable project out the door to satiate not only consumers but also and more importantly , the investors?

Yes , there are plenty of bad faith rainbow capitalism examples out there, but you may want to ask yourself why you are nulling all the work and simplifying it down to “arg ! There’s a gay lady with a buzz cut! Game sucks!”

If you were in charge , we would never get to the bottom of our quality problem because you are spinning and dizzy over individuals personal lives and literal shades of colors.



The Problem is not your dyed hair fellows , it’s C*A*P*I*T*A*l*i *S*M
You have been successfully distracted away from the real rot.

 

[viveks86]

The Problem is not your dyed hair fellows , it’s C*A*P*I*T*A*l*i *S*M
You have been successfully distracted away from the real rot.

To be fair, we aren't going to get any games without C*A*P*I*T*A*l*I *S*M. Even China is now opening up the industry and making a big splash, only to compete with capitalism. So I won't blame the most viable and successful economic model for it. Human greed, tribalism and base instincts will take root no matter what economic model you choose. So blame that, if anything.

 

[Puscifer]

I noticed this phenomenon in the emulator community. Every single female developer working on an emulator was transgender.

Join a Linux discord, it's fucking wild dude.

Again, not complaining but it's too obvious to not notice?

 

[Hypereides]

Why are you hung up on literal pronouns? Are you aware of the amount of work , years , code, teamwork is required to get a presentable project out the door to satiate not only consumers but also and more importantly , the investors?

Yes , there are plenty of bad faith rainbow capitalism examples out there, but you may want to ask yourself why you are nulling all the work and simplifying it down to “arg ! There’s a gay lady with a buzz cut! Game sucks!”

If you were in charge , we would never get to the bottom of our quality problem because you are spinning and dizzy over individuals personal lives and literal shades of colors.



The Problem is not your dyed hair fellows , it’s C*A*P*I*T*A*l*i *S*M
You have been successfully distracted away from the real rot.

Quite ironic you're working in an industry that was built on capitalism then, dontcha you think? Maybe you didn't pick the best career choice.

You have to realise, most people don't really particularly resonate or identify with the whole pronouns thing. It breaks their enjoyment and immersion. It only provokes them further when some developer try to intentionally "smear it" in their faces as some form of get back. Your audience is composed of people from multiple backgrounds. Not just the pronouns crowd. Its really not putting you, and your team, in a positive light when you seemingly try to give those folks the middle finger. At least, that's how some of them interpret it.

I'll also add some of us are aware of what it takes to ship a game and its by no means a small endeavour. Some of us do appreciate the amount of sweat and tears developers put into them. But, you have to remember, this is ultimately a mutual exchange of reciprocation. If both parties are misaligned and disconnected then nobody really gains any real benefit from it.

 

[bundylove]

You can’t engage with my ideas because you lack nuance or understanding so this is what you chose to write

You atill here mister alt account???

 

[Brumfieldhm]

You atill here mister alt account???

I don’t even know what that means ? If you are a child , I applaud you for expressing your opinions .

 

[Brumfieldhm]

Quite ironic you're working in an industry that was built on capitalism then, dontcha you think? Maybe you didn't pick the best career choice.

You have to realise, most people don't really particularly resonate or identify with the whole pronouns thing. It breaks their enjoyment and immersion. It only provokes them further when some developer try to intentionally "smear it" in their faces as some form of get back. Your audience is composed of people from multiple backgrounds. Not just the pronouns crowd. Its really not putting you, and your team, in a positive light when you seemingly try to give those folks the middle finger. At least, that's how some of them interpret it.

I'll also add some of us are aware of what it takes to ship a game and its by no means a small endeavour. Some of us do appreciate the amount of sweat and tears developers put into them. But, you have to remember, this is ultimately a mutual exchange of reciprocation. If both parties are misaligned and disconnected then nobody really gains any real benefit from it.

We can critique our systems to improve , I myself am an individual , not a system.

 

[bundylove]

I don’t even know what that means ? If you are a child , I applaud you for expressing your opinions .

Let me help you you ignorant prick.

You had 110 messages in 10 years.

WHat the hell are you doing here??? Care to share why you just now engage in topic about gender liberal lunatics?

I am very interested how you bullshit your way out of this

But aso, only people like you would have children on their mind lol

 

[Mozza]

Surprising, but at the same time not really all that shocked or surprised.

 

[Bernardougf]

. A certain group of people may not want to hear this, but better education and a sharp mind usually results in libertarian thoughts that can be located on the socio-political left. This also includes sexual identification.

 

[Hypereides]

We can critique our systems to improve , I myself am an individual , not a system.

I don't want to trail far off topic, I'll just say this: The core idea of capitalism in itself isn't bad. Its what drives business and society. Its not perfect, but its the most efficient system we have to date. It is what it is.

If I were you, I'd be more upset about how big tech is keeping us isolated in our bubbles and causing polarization which is fueling friction. Its making it difficult for us to amend and coalesce. Essentially, preventing us from finding common ground. 20 or so years ago we had more of a middle ground and mutual understanding. Now, its largely eroded due to this digital social partitioning. There's a crevice between the people of opposite sides of the spectrum. That really needs to be remedied in the industry and gaming community.

Honestly, the developer(s) who first tackle the subject above and presents it in a tasteful manner/entertaining way will likely reap great rewards. Just my 2 cents.

 

[spons]

LGBTQ+ seems over represented at 24%.

 

[TintoConCasera]

No wonder modern games are so gay.

I have a question. Do straight men believe they are the only audience that should be catered to?

Yeah obviously. Make games for me or I won't buy them, it's that simple. If they want to make games for other audiences then go for it, but don't act surprised when the game bombs and the studio has to be put down.

 

[Lambogenie]

" underrepresented " what a BS term. Like there is an equal amount of people wanting to make or play games. That's the only time it should be used in this context. Otherwise if 30 females wanted to be in game development and all 30 got hired then that would be 100% representation.

Exactly.

A minor demographic for your audience suddenly making up way more in employees is far from underrepresented.

If the global demo. is so finite then how can one expect every business to realistically meet some dumb "representation" %?

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

And that's why 99% of western games are complete garbage.

Crash fast, crash hard.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

To complain about people being “woke,” you must first be aware of social injustices, making you, in effect, “woke".

Just sayin.