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Women And Non-Binary Devs Now Make Up 32 Percent Of All Game Developers, Up From 24 Percent In 2022

The market will correct itself. That's if this is having a negative effect on quality. It would be interesting to see a graph with the number of LGBT+ developers and flops. I doubt it's the case that women or LGBT individuals are any less capable. It's probably the case that people are being employed not for their skills.
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
I don’t give a shit what you identify as or who you fuck.

I just want people who are good at their job, aren’t trying to inject their personal views into the games they’re making, and have some damn familiarity with the franchise they’re working on.
 
Data can always be easily manipulated to present a particular ... point of view.

The data in distinct, non-aggregated categories, such as:

Men (straight):
Women (straight):
Men (LGBTQ+):
Women (LGBTQ+):
Non-binary developers:

may ensure clarity and minimise bias.

Also is the data from global organizations included or just Western?
 

bundylove

Member
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
The market will correct itself. That's if this is having a negative effect on quality. It would be interesting to see a graph with the number of LGBT+ developers and flops. I doubt it's the case that women or LGBT individuals are any less capable. It's probably the case that people are being employed not for their skills.
I love when people lose their jobs for bad work or bad attitudes. There's a big difference between good natured people trying hard to make a good product but it fails due to competitors or external factors out of their control.

Compared to when any company basically self sabotages their own products from the first step, inject childish personal politics, and then bad mouths customers to boot. They 100% deserve to go through the hassle of applying for unemployment insurance and desperately looking for another job. Act like a jackass, get treated like a jackass.
 
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I have a question. Do straight men believe they are the only audience that should be catered to? That’s what many of you imply here.

No one is critiquing the utterly unsustainable business models of rapid expansionism with higher profit margins with smaller budgets and less time. You instead , just like the rest of the partisans , look to blame a minority scapegoat for problems.

You people need to get a grip.
 
I have a question. Do straight men believe they are the only audience that should be catered to? That’s what many of you imply here.

No one is critiquing the utterly unsustainable business models of rapid expansionism with higher profit margins with smaller budgets and less time. You instead , just like the rest of the partisans , look to blame a minority scapegoat for problems.

You people need to get a grip.


Either you had these texts in saved drafts and wanted to use them at the first chance or you have reading comprehension issues. Maybe both.
 

bundylove

Member
I have a question. Do straight men believe they are the only audience that should be catered to? That’s what many of you imply here.

No one is critiquing the utterly unsustainable business models of rapid expansionism with higher profit margins with smaller budgets and less time. You instead , just like the rest of the partisans , look to blame a minority scapegoat for problems.

You people need to get a grip.
And you need to shut up with your alt account
 

Brigandier

Member
Yeah it’s definitely not the unsustainable business models of higher profits and lower costs ! It’s definitely all the fault of a MINORITY!

You literally seething and shaking right now???

Haha 100 posts in 11 years just to combat people who you don't agree with, Fuck off back to the purple palace safehaven.

MinORitY 😆 🤣
 
I have a question. Do straight men believe they are the only audience that should be catered to? That’s what many of you imply here.

No one is critiquing the utterly unsustainable business models of rapid expansionism with higher profit margins with smaller budgets and less time. You instead , just like the rest of the partisans , look to blame a minority scapegoat for problems.

You people need to get a grip.
Straight white men or just straight men are the ones that actually buy the games . These non gender lunatics make up less than 1% of the people buying the product. But sure chase this crowd .

Remember when Gillette went woke and men immediately stopped buying their products? Oh Gillette course correctly very quickly .
 

Hollywood Hitman

Gold Member
I have a question. Do straight men believe they are the only audience that should be catered to? That’s what many of you imply here.

No one is critiquing the utterly unsustainable business models of rapid expansionism with higher profit margins with smaller budgets and less time. You instead , just like the rest of the partisans , look to blame a minority scapegoat for problems.

You people need to get a grip.

You want to know why someone like weird al is the monster success that he is? Because he always stuck by a single rule to not include politics as that will absolutely 100% alienate or split audiences. That holds true for anything, even moreso when they're tryin to cater to a 0.1%
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I have a question. Do straight men believe they are the only audience that should be catered to? That’s what many of you imply here.

No one is critiquing the utterly unsustainable business models of rapid expansionism with higher profit margins with smaller budgets and less time. You instead , just like the rest of the partisans , look to blame a minority scapegoat for problems.

You people need to get a grip.
A lot of DEI woke games have failed lately. Thats life. Gamers dont want to play them and often get nailed to the cross on social media and forums with big laughs and low sales.

A game company can totally have success making a politically slanted game even if it involves swords and magic. All they got to do is make a good game with politics with a super low budget, so that when the sales arent there the studio can still survive. And also dont add fuel to the flames with studio employees acting like jackasses online mouthing off to gamers.

Business is actually a simple concept. But most companies dont understand it in its most simple form. Come up with a product that sells enough to cover its budget. Do that and survive another day. Fail and the company is in the hole and might close if it keeps going.

Put it this way, if a company that makes toothpicks selling them for 99 cents per pack where people might buy it once a decade can survive, then you'd think big tech studios with tons of people and giant budgets could survive too. I guess toothpick makers have better business models.
 
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Boss Man

Member
Well I guess that explains what’s wrong.

Weird that it’s so common in game development specifically. Not like this in other software jobs.
 
I guess anyone who wants to make games, that’s great. I do think they may have to make games they don’t want to make soon, and so they will have to come to some understanding about why that is. But the good news is they are passionate about games so it shouldn’t be a huge deal.
 

wolffy66

Member
Lumping women and non binary together is odd. 34% of devs being women could be seen as low logically. But 34% non binary is absolute bananas. That's not a insult to anyone, I'm just saying by proportion of population.
 
I have a question. Do straight men believe they are the only audience that should be catered to? That’s what many of you imply here.

No one is critiquing the utterly unsustainable business models of rapid expansionism with higher profit margins with smaller budgets and less time. You instead , just like the rest of the partisans , look to blame a minority scapegoat for problems.

You people need to get a grip.
It's called knowing your audience and having a target demographic. The entire notion of "creating something for everyone" is just corporate speak for make everything safe and globally uniform in an attempt to increase profits. This strategy is inherently flawed because you can't have some of everything on a pizza and expect everyone to actually enjoy the niche combination of pineapple mixed in with pepperoni, anchovies and red onions. Some people might like that, more power to em, but that's definitely not "something for everyone". This is why catering to people's selective tastes and interests is so important for successful business, but the action of "you take what we give you", not so much.
 
Queen mental illness grifter.
The ironic thing is you see woke people (or more accurately WIH or wokes in hiding) label those who make videos fighting against woke movies and games as grifters. But the real grifters were what started this mess. People like Anita Sarkeesian who admitted on camera she wasn't really a gamer. However, to get in on the woke grift and push it into gaming, she acted like she was one.
 

Gamer79

Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
The title explains why games are shit these days. Crazy liberals always got to throw their bullshit in their product.
 

hussar16

Member
Already in motion. Tons of big companies rolling it back. But gaming companies haven’t yet.

Target stores just announced they are gutting DEI stuff too.
It needs to get bad for it to get good again
I don’t give a shit what you identify as or who you fuck.

I just want people who are good at their job, aren’t trying to inject their personal views into the games they’re making, and have some damn familiarity with the franchise they’re working on.
Well most of the people got less testorome more estrogen that could be reason why video games are more lazy etc less effort etc. Men with testorome put out more effort on average
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
It's called knowing your audience and having a target demographic. The entire notion of "creating something for everyone" is just corporate speak for make everything safe and globally uniform in an attempt to increase profits. This strategy is inherently flawed because you can't have some of everything on a pizza and expect everyone to actually enjoy the niche combination of pineapple mixed in with pepperoni, anchovies and red onions. Some people might like that, more power to em, but that's definitely not "something for everyone". This is why catering to people's selective tastes and interests is so important for successful business, but the action of "you take what we give you", not so much.
Yup.

At least for mass appeal products like pizzas, you can take off the crappy toppings you don’t want and it costs $15. A video game can be $70, you have to sit through preachings snd pronouns, and even if someone hates anchovies it’s just a topping, not politics.

What game companies don’t understand is that sometimes less is more. And if you too much weird stuff in a gane it might piss off lots of existing fans. Other companies dont usually run into that situation because they will make a second third or forth product to go with what is already loved. Game companies have a knack for replacing a good thing with a roll if the dice on a new 180 shit idea some game dev or director who thinks he’s Einstein pushes through.

It’s like shooter fans complaining about why their franchise is suddenly COD-ish or Fortnite-ish.

But a game companys thinking is more like…. We’ll we got 1M existing fans. If we make it COD-ish that game gets 20M fans. So on paper we might get 5M fans if we keep the 1M and get 4M more.

Lol. What will probably happen is COD fans will stay with COD and now those existing 1M gamers who don’t give a shit about COD will drop to 500k.
 
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MacReady13

Member
Remember when Gillette went woke and men immediately stopped buying their products
Problem going forward in gaming is, if we follow the Microsoft model, sales wont matter! It will all be about engagement numbers! And how do you make money from engagement numbers???

Seriously, how do you determine success on Netflix? They can't judge by sales numbers. They judge on hours watched. It doesn't male them money but we just have to trust Netflix that 50 billion hours of people watching Squid Games 2 makes it VERY successful!

So in conclusion, these men who think they're women and vice versa will remain in place because who will care about sales? Sales don't equate to success in this post gamepass future!
 
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