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Won't online require a firmware upgrade for the DS?

koam

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When Mario Kart comes out, how will I be able to go online with the handheld without upgrading the firmware? It would be really stupid to have to enter my WEP key for every game, the system must store it somewhere no? Considering the current layout of the BIOS, there's simply nowhere to enter this.
 
The information is stored in the games, they might have your WEP key stored online(edit yes I know now you wont be able to) but really how many DS games are their going to be at least until the end of this year, I dont see it as a problem yet but it may turn into one.
 
No firmware upgrade. The online protocol will be handeled by the software so you may have to enter your WEP key for every game but it will be stored on the card from there on in. I can't seem to think of a way to bypass this.
 
There are probably a leftover in the internal memory for stuff like WEP passwords and so on.
The Nintendo Wifi software itself is on the game cartridge(which will simply extract your info from the hardware).
 
Hmm Valid, Im an idiot :(

Oh well whatever it is Im sure Nintendo know what they are doing... or not?
 
How many online enabled games are you going to buy in a year? 10? 20?

You only have to do this like on average once every month maybe, come on, don't be so lazy.
 
VOOK said:
The information is stored in the games, they might have your WEP key stored online but really how many DS games are their going to be at least until the end of this year, I dont see it as a problem yet but it may turn into one.

How would you connect online if you can't get your DS to connect to your router :p
 
VOOK said:
Hmm Valid, Im an idiot :(

Oh well whatever it is Im sure Nintendo know what they are doing... or not?

I asked DavidDayton this and he said that some of the onboard flash chip on the DS might already be reserved for this. I really want to know how they will pull this off as well as the DS has no 'official' flash capacity although it does have firmware on a flash chip that isn't readily rewritable.

That said, I'm sure this issue has already been resolved long ago and we jus don't know how they are going to do it yet.
 
mutsu said:
How many online enabled games are you going to buy in a year? 10? 20?

You only have to do this like on average once every month maybe, come on, don't be so lazy.

...

Do you have any experience at all with a wireless network and know how long the keys are?
 
So much for Nintendo's claims about easy online access for the consumer without the need to worry about keys. I said before it was impossible.
 
Marty Chinn said:
So much for Nintendo's claims about easy online access for the consumer without the need to worry about keys. I said before it was impossible.
Good point! I'm glad the GAF detectives were able to get to the bottom of this!

EDIT: \/\/\/ There's no way you can do that reliably or easily enough for Nintendo to endorse it.
 
I'd love to see Nintendo find a way to retrofit the service to games that currently only support local wireless play. That'd be awesome to use the Wi-Fi for Nintendogs' Bark Mode or Advance Wars DS versus play.
 
So much for Nintendo's claims about easy online access for the consumer without the need to worry about keys. I said before it was impossible.

You don't have to worry about keys. You can just turn encryption off on your router or wireless access point. Problem solved.

edit: No, I'm not endorsing this. I'm sure Nintendo has something in place.
 
cubicle47b said:
You don't have to worry about keys. You can just turn encryption off on your router or wireless access point. Problem solved.

yeah, people are gonna be thrilled about that
 
Is mac address filtering easy to hack? All I have on my wireless network is mac address filtering and the SSID isn't broadcasted.

The router is in the basement of my house though, so I'm really not worried about someone outside my house stealing bandwidth. I can't even get a signal from the street.
 
cubicle47b said:
You don't have to worry about keys. You can just turn encryption off on your router or wireless access point. Problem solved.

edit: No, I'm not endorsing this. I'm sure Nintendo has something in place.

Or buy their wi-fi adapter and use AOSS (auto config). They never said it would be painless and simple for people that already have wireless routers ;P (the people that do already know how to screw with keys and such, the ones that don't can buy their hardware for simplicity)
 
Marty Chinn said:
So much for Nintendo's claims about easy online access for the consumer without the need to worry about keys. I said before it was impossible.


thats why they are selling that usb dongle and setting up thousands of DS wifi connections throughout the country.

its aint perfect, but hey, its a pretty damn good solution.
 
The DS has flashable firmware. I am not sure whether it uses battery power OR the flash to store system settings, though...

The funny thing is that it's already possible to erase the DS firmware via software-only means. It would seem that it could be quite possible to store extra data in the DS, or even to replace the Pictochat program. The BIOS-type firmware appears to be protected, requiring a physical "jumper" to be reprogrammed... but I'm not sure if that's just the "initial loader" or the entire contents of the memory. The aforementioned DS Memory Wiper program appears to delete the majority of the DS bios using only software methods.
 
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