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[Strimei]

I'm spoiled after the speed of the last quest (10 minutes of clicking small things and done) but at least this one has me doing archaeology and has a reward I might actually use.

Heh some weeks are easy like that, some are ok like this, and some are horrible like the jewels (until they hotfixed them to be easier, I suppose) or that really annoying one a month or so back in Azsuna requiring you to do like 25 solves. Fuck that one.

Anyway just now realized that the way the rewards are listed in the This Side Up achievement is the order they're going in, so its at least 13 more weeks until the mount.

 

[1.09]

Sorry

 

[cdyhybrid]

Sorry

:lol Blizzard

 

[Haly]

They should take a page out of GGG's notebook and just turn Survival into a trap spammer.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Sorry

so did everyone who abuse the bug get banned?

 

[v1perz53]

so did everyone who abuse the bug get banned?

Looks like an 8 day ban, so a whole week of raid progress missed. Anyway, I love the people defending this because they reported the bug and tweeted about it on the 17th. Do people expect blizzard to come up with a fix in 3 days, hotfix it live and all is well? There was such a gamebreaking bug after weeks of testing, pushing a fix too quickly is super dangerous since it could break a whole host of other things. Or they could, you know, expect people to recognize a clear bug and not exploit it? Did they need blizzards affirmation about the existence of the bug to decide to not exploit it? Why? Just seems dumb, and too risky, blizzard has been punishing guilds cheating on 1st kill races since forever, just look at Ensidia and saronite bombs in WotLK, why take the chance and risk tainting your kill?

 

[1.09]

If anything it also shows how horribly overtuned Helya is

 

[Data West]

They should take a page out of GGG's notebook and just turn Survival into a trap spammer.

Survival's not surviving this expansion. It'll go the way of Gladiator and probably be reworked or even removed for next exp. The fact that they caved on giving the other two specs traps pretty much confirms this to me.

 

[v1perz53]

Hah, you know how Blizzard works, something is wrong and they then swing WAAAY too far in the other direction to fix it. Xavius incredibly easy? Lets overtune the next end boss to infinity to make up for it! So many things are handled this way by blizzard, it gets kind of irritating. Just make small gradual changes frequently for fucks sake. At least PvP balance has amazingly been closer to this recently, with the wonderful addition of the dev's thought process behind the changes. Even if some changes are retarded, reading the thought and intention behind them at least gives a good jumping off point for feedback.

 

[Haly]

Survival's not surviving this expansion. It'll go the way of Gladiator and probably be reworked or even removed for next exp. The fact that they caved on giving the other two specs traps pretty much confirms this to me.

What's Gladiator?

And I think they would just rework old SV as a fourth spec rather than waste all this work, for the simple reason of what are they going to do about the SV content in legion if they axed it? Just throw out Talonclaw and all that shit? Unlikely.

Survival becoming a tank spec would be super cool though. We don't have a mail tank yet, or a pet tank, and it solves the trapper problem if you're in control of boss positoning.

 

[Xeteh]

What's Gladiator?

And I think they would just rework old SV as a fourth spec rather than waste all this work, for the simple reason of what are they going to do about the SV content in legion if they axed it? Just throw out Talonclaw and all that shit? Unlikely.

Survival becoming a tank spec would be super cool though. We don't have a mail tank yet, or a pet tank, and it solves the trapper problem if you're in control of boss positoning.

Maybe Gladiator Stance that warriors had for a bit? I think it was right around the time I quit so I don't remember it.

 

[Haly]

Ah right I remember glad stance.

Imagine if SV becomes the first tank that can tankswap by itself.

Kreygasm

The other direction I'd like to see them take Survival in is as a Spear thrower. Weapons are Spears, Warglaives, and 2H Axes, which they just chuck over and over again.

 

[Khezu]

If old survival comes back, they really need to flesh it out.
Since it's basically 3 abilities, explosive shot, black arrow, and lock and load.

If Blizzard wasn't the most incompetent developer in the world at balancing, they could have easily shuffled it into an alternative playstyle for Marks.

In my wildest dreams, they would make Survival like old school Hunters with both a bow and spear.
With both a viable melee and ranged rotation.
And the deadzone. No one will ever agree with me, but I actually miss the deadzone.

But again it's Blizzard they are awful, in fact they will probably do the worst option, keep melee survival but removed 75% of it's abilities and take away what makes it fun, so everybody loses.

 

[Einchy]

This ban stuff is prime juicy drama.

 

[Tacitus_]

Looks like an 8 day ban, so a whole week of raid progress missed. Anyway, I love the people defending this because they reported the bug and tweeted about it on the 17th. Do people expect blizzard to come up with a fix in 3 days, hotfix it live and all is well? There was such a gamebreaking bug after weeks of testing, pushing a fix too quickly is super dangerous since it could break a whole host of other things. Or they could, you know, expect people to recognize a clear bug and not exploit it? Did they need blizzards affirmation about the existence of the bug to decide to not exploit it? Why? Just seems dumb, and too risky, blizzard has been punishing guilds cheating on 1st kill races since forever, just look at Ensidia and saronite bombs in WotLK, why take the chance and risk tainting your kill?

People will use "creative game mechanics" if they can. So when they see a guild using it and not getting any consequences...

Honestly, Blizz really should've just had a blue post saying "guys, don't do this". But communication is haaaard

 

[Strimei]

I hope Blizzard decides to drop the whole "you gotta do that whole series of quests to unlock the third row of appearances" thing since its really dumb that I got Unleashed Monstrosities yet can't use any of them.

Meanwhile I could use the alt colors of my hidden appearance without unlocking it.

The CM one and the hero achievement ones also being locked behind that suck for those that don't want to raid.

 

[cdyhybrid]

I hope Blizzard decides to drop the whole "you gotta do that whole series of quests to unlock the third row of appearances" thing since its really dumb that I got Unleashed Monstrosities yet can't use any of them.

Meanwhile I could use the alt colors of my hidden appearance without unlocking it.

The CM one and the hero achievement ones also being locked behind that suck for those that don't want to raid.

The hidden appearance thing is a bug.

 

[Strimei]

The hidden appearance thing is a bug.

I figured but they've yet to fix it, so at least right now they seem A-OK with it happening.

 

[v1perz53]

People will use "creative game mechanics" if they can. So when they see a guild using it and not getting any consequences...

Honestly, Blizz really should've just had a blue post saying "guys, don't do this". But communication is haaaard

I dunno, I think there has to be some personal responsibility. Exploiting is against the TOS, which you agree to when playing WoW, you shouldn't need to then ask if an exploit is ok every time you find one. Avoiding a major mechanic, then causing it to not happen for the rest of the fight is not a grey area, it s a clear obvious bug that they chose to exploit. There was no question in any guilds mind as to whether or not this was the secret intended strategy, and I certainly don't think blizzard needed to acknowledge it, the TOS already covers it perfectly.

And the whole "other guilds did it and weren't punished" idea is a load of shit too. It takes time for things like this to be recognized and investigated, it wasn't "fine" to use because others didn't get insta banned. As always, the safest way to play is don't do anything shady and you have no risk of being banned/having things taken away. If you do anything shady, you might get banned or you might come out ahead, but you have to be ok with that risk and the possible outcomes.

 

[cdyhybrid]

I figured but they've yet to fix it, so at least right now they seem A-OK with it happening.

Yeah. I mean, it's just cosmetic stuff, not a huge deal.

 

[Haly]

Yeah. I mean, it's just cosmetic stuff, not a huge deal.

It's so important to me...

 

[Data West]

Watching streams of WWs in high level arena.

I wonder when they get hit with the nerf. The Artifact ability nerf clearly wasn't enough with 11% representation in 3vs3. They seem like a bigger exception than Shadow Priests since they excel so well with trash in Mythic+ as well

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Looks like an 8 day ban, so a whole week of raid progress missed. Anyway, I love the people defending this because they reported the bug and tweeted about it on the 17th. Do people expect blizzard to come up with a fix in 3 days, hotfix it live and all is well? There was such a gamebreaking bug after weeks of testing, pushing a fix too quickly is super dangerous since it could break a whole host of other things. Or they could, you know, expect people to recognize a clear bug and not exploit it? Did they need blizzards affirmation about the existence of the bug to decide to not exploit it? Why? Just seems dumb, and too risky, blizzard has been punishing guilds cheating on 1st kill races since forever, just look at Ensidia and saronite bombs in WotLK, why take the chance and risk tainting your kill?

Honestly

They shouldn't complain. What did they expect?

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Whoever decided on the locations for Azsuna digsites needs to be kicked in the dick

There are two on the Isle of the Wardens for me right now...

 

[kirblar]

Survival being Melee is enough of a hook on its own to be fine. Traps being Survival-only just made no sense.

 

[dimb]

Watching streams of WWs in high level arena.

I wonder when they get hit with the nerf. The Artifact ability nerf clearly wasn't enough with 11% representation in 3vs3. They seem like a bigger exception than Shadow Priests since they excel so well with trash in Mythic+ as well

WW is not really out of line with other top melee specs like Ret, Frost, and Feral. Your number for their representation seems off the mark. It's more like Monk at ~13% representation overall, but WW contributes 5% and MW contributes 8%.

 

[Ark]

Anyone know if there are any Guardian Druid nerfs coming in the next patch? I'm tempted to level one but I don't want to level one because it's fotm when I'd rather play warrior & pally.

 

[CarbonatedFalcon]

I'd like to see that shaman tank concept become reality.

 

[v1perz53]

Anyone know if there are any Guardian Druid nerfs coming in the next patch? I'm tempted to level one but I don't want to level one because it's fotm when I'd rather play warrior & pally.

Haven't been any nerfs so far (or much mention of Guardian at all). In fact, two of the lv 100 talents got slight buffs (Lunar Beam lower CD, Pulverize does more damage). As always though who knows what will happen as time goes on, but it doesn't seem likely that any big nerfs will be coming. Though Ysera's Gift from resto affinity is healing more than the tooltip says right now, but if that is fixed it would barely register as a change.

I'd like to see that shaman tank concept become reality.

I've wanted a Shaman tank spec since vanilla, always sad that there wasn't one. That reddit concept was a bit rough around the edges (please god don't make a tank whose active mitigation reduces their movement speed) but really any implementation I would be happy with. Honestly, even the old style 5 stack maelstrom Enh shaman could work as a tank (spend 5 maelstrom on an instant heal or 1-5 on some active mitigation ability), but I really don't think itd ever happen unfortunately.

 

[Data West]

I'd like to see that shaman tank concept become reality.

No thanks, I don't want to get pressured into tanking or heals anytime I want to join something beyond heroic raid level.

 

[Ark]

Haven't been any nerfs so far (or much mention of Guardian at all). In fact, two of the lv 100 talents got slight buffs (Lunar Beam lower CD, Pulverize does more damage). As always though who knows what will happen as time goes on, but it doesn't seem likely that any big nerfs will be coming. Though Ysera's Gift from resto affinity is healing more than the tooltip says right now, but if that is fixed it would barely register as a change.



I've wanted a Shaman tank spec since vanilla, always sad that there wasn't one. That reddit concept was a bit rough around the edges (please god don't make a tank whose active mitigation reduces their movement speed) but really any implementation I would be happy with. Honestly, even the old style 5 stack maelstrom Enh shaman could work as a tank (spend 5 maelstrom on an instant heal or 1-5 on some active mitigation ability), but I really don't think itd ever happen unfortunately.

I guess Blizzard is happy with Guardian being god-tier right now! I might have to level both my Bear and my Prot Pally. I enjoy the pally so much, but the bear artifact skin is so cool. Thanks!

 

[v1perz53]

No thanks, I don't want to get pressured into tanking or heals anytime I want to join something beyond heroic raid level.

Do Druids get pressured into tanking or healing any time they want to join something beyond heroic raid level? This isn't vanilla anymore, no one is turning away a DPS shaman because they aren't a healer. No one is suggesting removing Enh as a DPS spec...

 

[dimb]

Maybe stop adding specs when they can't even get most of the ones they have right to begin with...

 

[Data West]

Do Druids get pressured into tanking or healing any time they want to join something beyond heroic raid level? This isn't vanilla anymore, no one is turning away a DPS shaman because they aren't a healer. No one is suggesting removing Enh as a DPS spec...

I definitely see people in my guilds doing something for the 'good of the guild' that they clearly dont' want to do. Monks tanking instead of healing because a tank didnt show up, Enh Shaman healing because a healer didn't show up, Warriors 3rd tanking in MOP for stuff like Dark Shaman

It definitely still happens. If anything, it happens much more now than it did in vanilla.

 

[Haly]

I tanked WC once as a Shaman.

Was fun.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

They need to make Monk tanking as fun as Chen is in Heroes of the Storm

Just jumping around tossing beer at everyone, drinking beer to gain a shield, then breathing fire on everything.

 

[Data West]

I tanked WC once as a Shaman.

Was fun.

I did too. But I didn't tank BWL and I'd prefer to keep it that way.

 

[Renekton]

Tanking M+ for PUGs feels horrible when you miscalculate the mob % then the group flames and reports you 😑

 

[Anoregon]

I just got the RNG Unholy hidden appearance spawn to proc while I was killing an add in the room for the world bosses that drop the frost hidden appearance.

So that's cool.

 

[Strimei]

So I figured since I could go into the Blood Elf camp in Suramar for the quests, I could fight without worry.

lolnope. Watch your AoE folks.

Also I had a good laugh at the "we found your mounts..." prank.

 

[Rhaknar]

Tanking M+ for PUGs feels horrible when you miscalculate the mob % then the group flames and reports you 😑

reports you...for what?

you can report bad skill now? (assuming you even fucked up)

 

[Professor Lich]

All this talk of traps makes me hope they allow Rogues to disarm them again.

 

[Data West]

I just want actual support classes back. It's why I played a Shaman in the first place. It's why I played one in Everquest.

 

[Milennia]

well i guess us 1st inc ? =p we are raiding now

just so people know, the breath is a major mechanic and is the cause of most peoples mass wipes in p3.

 

[Einchy]

Maybe Heljya just didn't want to breath on people anymore, not everything has to be about us.

 

[v1perz53]

I definitely see people in my guilds doing something for the 'good of the guild' that they clearly dont' want to do. Monks tanking instead of healing because a tank didnt show up, Enh Shaman healing because a healer didn't show up, Warriors 3rd tanking in MOP for stuff like Dark Shaman

It definitely still happens. If anything, it happens much more now than it did in vanilla.

Honestly, I see the opposite. Now players have the option to have another spec ready, which is great. But with the artifact system, you almost can't have a nicely relevant off-spec without a ton of effort, and almost no guilds are gonna ask you to tank when you don't have a tank spec set up and your tank artifact has no relics or traits in it. And if your guild will kick you for not having an off-spec ready you're just in the wrong guild. Every guild and group I've been in since WotLK has been the same (in vanilla and TBC things were much more limited with specs), YOU decide how flexible you are. There are the players who will offer to tank/heal when someone doesn't show up, and there are those that don't have their tank/heal setup, and no one ever asked them to do so. As a raid leader, obviously the person with a good off-spec was more useful to me, but if the DPS only Shaman topped our meters, I'd obviously still take him over the one with the heal offspec. Having an extra option is only a good thing, and maybe I've just been lucky but I haven't been in a single group since WotLK that has forced me to keep an off-spec relevant if I didn't choose to.

Of course, if you're pushing world/server 1st attempts and you don't have your off-specs sorted you're playing the game wrong, hell it seems most of the time you need an alt sorted as well in those groups for stupid split runs, but thats another problem entirely.

 

[Strimei]

Huh just realized that Hyrja from Halls of Valor is the val'kyr we fight at the start of Odyn's fight.

Guess us trouncing her doesn't stop her ascension.

 

[v1perz53]

I just want actual support classes back. It's why I played a Shaman in the first place. It's why I played one in Everquest.

Support classes are kind of tough in this day and age. They're my personal favorite style of class to play, but they are extraordinarily hard to balance. In a game like WoW where every number is available for DPS meters and simulations and whatnot, a support class either becomes absolutely necessary to have 1 of, or X of if it is balanced that way. Or they aren't strong enough and you never take one ever, at least if they are support in the sense that they increase DPS of others. If they are support in some other way, again they are either nearly required or absolutely unnecessary.

I think a cool idea would be something like giving them the majority of the raid CDs. But again, it is really hard to balance that and then groups would just take X number based on how much utility they need that fight...

 

[mclem]

Huh just realized that Hyrja from Halls of Valor is the val'kyr we fight at the start of Odyn's fight.

Guess us trouncing her doesn't stop her ascension.

Hymdall, too. Hyrja is noticeably unconscious when she 'dies' in HoV, and Hymdall wanders off and gives you a chest at 10%.

 

[Renekton]

Nvm didn't read sorry.