Would you consider the next US President "your President" regardless of your vote?

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Fuck Harper. He doesn't represent the majority of Canadians and like he said "You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it". Let's hope he's through soon lol
 
Yeah, I don't have to like the person, but I feel like I have to respect the office. They have to be somewhat popular to get enough votes to lead a nation of 300+ Million.

That said, does anyone else find it a little odd that the two viable options we have are complete opposites? It just seems weird that if one side were to completely win out (As in have majority of every branch) in a series of elections, that half of the population would be extremely dissatisfied with everything that happens during their terms.
 
I didn't like W. Bush, but he was my President. I would like to think I would support a Republican if they won despite my preference, but with candidates like Cruz, I don't know if I can continue the trend.
 
entrement said:
John Wayne once said of JFK:


John Wayne identified himself as proud and vocal conservative.

However, I would say in the last 20 years, that anytime a US President is inaugurated there's a perspective that President in office is illegitimate if you voted against them. It seems it doesn't help civility and public discourse.

Obviously, this doesn't mean you can't criticize the President in office, but whoever wins the next Presidential term, would you consider them as your President?
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Hard to blame us when the guy who lost was inaugurated in 2000.
 
entrement said:
So how did he get elected? I'm not current on Canadian politics.
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His Conservative party only got 40% of the vote, the rest was split between 30% for a social democratic party, 20% for a social liberal party, 5% for a Green and Quebec seperatist party each. 60% voted for a left-wing party and 40% for the right-wing party, but because we have an archaic electoral system (FPTP, same as the UK), he got a majority government.

gutter_trash said:
everyone who splits their vote by voting NDP, Bloc or Green deserves Harper
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Technically the Liberals were the vote splitters last election. I'm definitely voting Lib this time though, I can't stomach any more Harper.
 
Dr. Benton Quest said:
I would hope we would not be as disgustingly vicious towards the Chief Executive as the Republicans have these last seven years.
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I mean, liberals probably would be just as vicious (they're vicious to whatever GOP nutball is mouthing off as it is), but its all academic until the GOP proves it can even field someone even vaguely electable.
 
You Are Viewtiful said:
Fuck Harper. He doesn't represent the majority of Canadians and like he said "You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it". Let's hope he's through soon lol
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Not the same thing. A Prime Minister is selected by his party and is the Head of the Government in power, a President is selected by the people and is both the head of State as well as the Head of Government.

gutter_trash said:
everyone who splits their vote by voting NDP, Bloc or Green deserves Harper
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Perspicacity said:
Not the same thing. A Prime Minister is selected by his party and is the Head of the Government in power, a President is selected by the people and is both the head of State as well as the Head of Government.



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we have a First Past The Post system, vote splitting among 3rd parties rewards one of the two big parties.

You vote NDP? okay, you will end up with a Conservative goverment. That's all on you
 
Perspicacity said:
Not the same thing. A Prime Minister is selected by his party and is the Head of the Government in power, a President is selected by the people and is both the head of State as well as the Head of Government.



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I'm aware. But people were talking about their British PM so I assumed we were going to appropriate to our own countries :P
 
gutter_trash said:
we have a First Past The Post system, vote splitting among 3rd parties rewards one of the two big parties.

You vote NDP? okay, you will end up with a Conservative goverment. That's all on you
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The USA also uses the FPTP system, they just only have two major parties so it rarely produces discrepancies, given only three Presidents so far have become so with less votes for their party than at least one of the other candidates.
 
I don't need a "my president". It's a president, I don't know the guy, it's not personal, credit when credit is due, and verbal excoriation when deserved, all in a case by case issue. I just care about the policy.
 
gutter_trash said:
we have a First Past The Post system, vote splitting among 3rd parties rewards one of the two big parties.

You vote NDP? okay, you will end up with a Conservative goverment. That's all on you
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You're acting as if Liberal and NDP ideals are interchangeable. I'll grant you that the Liberals are preferable to the CPC but trying to sell me a tastier brand of shit isn't actually better than just not eating shit.
 
EskimoJoe said:
Yeah. I mean, as a matter of fact, the next President will be my President. To call him or her something else would be...dumb.
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Spectromixer said:
Of course. It's how things work.
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liliththepale said:
You're conflating "my president" as in the one who legally presides over the country I call home with "my president" as in "my kind of president" or someone whom I have personal investment and support in.

I don't vote. I obey the law. Barack is my president even if I haven't liked all of the decisions he's made. His charisma at least has been good for America.
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Vermillion said:
As an American citizen, it's factually the case. No need to bullshit with semantics.
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Konka said:
They will be your President regardless of what you think. That is how the system works.
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You have all clearly missed the point.


The second part of the quote says "I hope he does a good job" this is not a sentiment that was displayed be liberals and democrats towards W. Bush and it most certainly is not something that is being displayed by republicans and conservatives. In fact they actively block, and do anything they can do disparage the president. Sometimes I wonder if Obama came out and said, the sky is blue, a good chunk of them would be like, fucking bullshit, its red!
 
entrement said:
However, I would say in the last 20 years, that anytime a US President is inaugurated there's a perspective that President in office is illegitimate if you voted against them. It seems it doesn't help civility and public discourse.
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Saying "he's not my President" is an expression of poor civility and public discourse, not a cause.
 
Only time I ever felt robbed by a presidency was Bush 2000, thanks to Florida's shenanigans. I was a actually a big supporter when we first started military action in Afghanistan. I was just flabbergasted by Bush 2004, but I still recognized him as president.

I would recognize anyone who won as "my president'. Except Ted Cruz.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
Only time I ever felt robbed by a presidency was Bush 2000, thanks to Florida's shenanigans. I was a actually a big supporter when we first started military action in Afghanistan. I was just flabbergasted by Bush 2004, but I still recognized him as president.

I would recognize anyone who won as "my president'. Except Ted Cruz.
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Haha, yah that's pretty much how I felt as well. Bush was a disaster on many fronts, but he's was my prez, like it or not. Ted Cruz will never be president, so I'm not too worried on that front.
 
Depends. If it's one of the GOP lunatics I'd probably literally go into denial and not acknowledge them as my President. But yes, I suppose, technically, on paper, in a certain way, if someone like Ted Cruz or Santorum or Donald Trump were to win the Presidency they would be my Presidehhhgllohgod sorry I just threw up in my mouth
 
Stinkles said:
Yes because I'm a rational person and not a racist. "he's not my president" is a racist statement 99% of the time and the other 1% is Libertarians and they are hilarious.
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Living in California during Bush, I heard "not my president!" fairly often.

Let's us be men of action and not pretend this is a phenomenon exclusive to the hateful republicans.
 
I try to be respectful of politicians but only to a certain extent.

For instance, George Bush was plain just fucking awful in every way imaginable and also a war criminal.
 
Both sides have used the not my president line. American politics has gotten to be truly hateful and has made even simple compromises impossible depending on what the topic is.
 
Someglan said:
I try to be respectful of politicians but only to a certain extent.

For instance, George Bush was plain just fucking awful in every way imaginable and also a war criminal.
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Alternate Universe Someglan said:
I try to be respectful of politicians but only to a certain extent.

For instance, Barack Obama was plain just fucking awful in every way imaginable and also a muslim.
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Presto chango and now we have the Republican point of view.
 
captive said:
The second part of the quote says "I hope he does a good job" this is not a sentiment that was displayed be liberals and democrats towards W. Bush and it most certainly is not something that is being displayed by republicans and conservatives. In fact they actively block, and do anything they can do disparage the president. Sometimes I wonder if Obama came out and said, the sky is blue, a good chunk of them would be like, fucking bullshit, its red!
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I think you get to a point where you feel like hope is pointless. Like if you were to hope all of ISIS' agents would just go home and give up tomorrow, or that California will get a record rainfall this year. Technically these things can happen, but there's no evidence to suggest that they will.

Hope isn't a bad thing, but sometimes you have to be realistic.

Depending on your frame of reference, things really can look bleak.

Mind you, I'm only playing devil's advocate here. I'm mostly apolitical and think that the last few presidents have generally been good enough if not great. I just understand why people would react the way you describe.
 
Stinkles said:
Yes because I'm a rational person and not a racist. "he's not my president" is a racist statement 99% of the time and the other 1% is Libertarians and they are hilarious.
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Ehhhh. That's how it works nowadays, but's plenty of people said the same of Bush, and I'm... pretty sure it wasn't racist then.
 
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entrement said:
Idk. I heard from both liberals and conservative about Bush II or Obama not being their President. It's not an outlandish suggestion, especially how partisan current politics have become.

"He's not my President."

"I didn't vote for him"

and so on.
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Tough shit. It's a Campaign race. The candidate earned their right to be called "Mr. President".

Doing so out of spite is a show of poor sportsmanship, let alone a complete lack of faith in the man and his cabinet to lead the country.

The person who weathers a campaign race to win the Presidency earns respect, even if their politics may not align with yours.
 
Of course I would consider him (or her) my president. It would be against the concept of a republic not to.

I would just hope the other branches can prevent too much damage during his tenure.
 
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