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[Radical_3d]

With the leak of the prices for the high end cards of nVidia you could make the numbers about their mid and low end prices. So, more or less we know the prices and configurations.

What if IA upscaling for AMD’s RDNA4 is good? Not PSSR good but better. nVidia or Intel good. No RT denoise with IA. No IA frame generation. Even if RT is better in RDNA4 let’s assume RT performance is still worse than the 5000 series. Just a very good IA upscaler, more VRAM, at better price upscaled pixel vs upscaled pixel performance.

Would you consider switch teams?

 

[Soodanim]

Voted for both yes answers.

I'm not fussed about RT and I'm all about value for money, so if AMD sell a decently priced product I will be interested.

nVidia's "Fuck you, buy a 90" approach to the market make me crave any product that doesn't take a hostile approach to anything that isn't the top end. All AMD/Intel have to do is deliver.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Price matters. Raytracing hasnt been an nvidia only thing since forever and FSR has improved quite well so yes if the price is adequate.

 

[Gonzito]

No

 

[winjer]

Yes, if the price is right.

But there is also the question of what the RTX5000 series will bring. What performance, new features, etc.

 

[Zathalus]

Personally no as I have a 4090. Would I recommend them if the feature set is catched up? Absolutely yes.

 

[crazyriddler]

If nvidia allows these prices is due to the lack of competition in technology. Yes, we all know that raster performance is competitive, but the quality of DLSS and how polished it is today, AI frame generation, reflex, RT denoising, path tracing support at a usable performance (we will see if RDNA 4 can offer this), much more AI application support, both from nvidia (like nvidia broadcast) and open source AI models like stable diffusion, much better video encoders and decoders (useful for VR), and better performance in general with productivity apps.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

The best part of this is that people will complain about AMD's prices too.

 

[KeepThemEyesOpen]

You don't need to switch to use FSR4, as long as the developers implements it in their game you can use it with a nvidia gpu.

 

[Radical_3d]

Giving multiple choices was a mistake…

You don't need to switch to use FSR4, as long as the developers implements it in their game you can use it with a nvidia gpu.

FSR4 is rumoured to be an IA solution powered by custom ML cores, much as PSSR is. So… yeah.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

I don't need to switch to AMD. Still rocking my 3700X/5700XT.

 

[TheRedRiders]

My hunch is DLSS 4 is going to curb stomp FSR 4 especially in terms of IQ so likely not.

 

[SpearHea.:D]

Nah, Nvidia is the best.

 

[ValiantInstance]

I expect I'm in the minority on this but I think AI upscaling is a scam. A way to sell you the same card with a software update.

My 7900XT has 20gb of vram and plays anything native in 4k effortlessly. Raster per dollar is king.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Radical_3d]

 

[Antwix]

Already on team red with a 6700xt. Works great for what I use it for. For my next card though, maybe, maybe not. Depends on price/specs in a couple years.

 

[Wolzard]

Yes, because I want to transform my Gamer PC in the living room into a Steam Machine with SteamOS and AMD GPUs works better on Linux.

I already use Linux on my second PC, where I study and use the internet (sometimes I play), on which I will still maintain Nvidia hardware due to my studies with Machine Learning.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

I would give AMD a chance IF they:
1. Viable alternative to DLSS
2. 4k120 performance eg RTX 4090 or better.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

eg RTX 4090 or better.

That chip got cancelled. The top card competes with the 5070 and that's about it.

 

[Schmendrick]

RT or rather PT is pretty much the only thing that really makes games look "next gen" or "CGI like" at times.
I´ll not buy a GPU anymore that doesn`t deliver on that front.

 

[Thebonehead]

I like playing with AI and Large Language Model training in addition to gaming so that leaves me firmly in Team Green

 

[hououinkyouma00]

RTX is overrated for me as there is just too much of a performance penalty.

DLSS is what makes me pick Nvidia so if AMD can match it or even get super close AND be much cheaper then sure.

I expect them to not be cheaper enough to bother though.

 

[LordOcidax]

The DLSS is going to evolve too, so No.

 

[Radical_3d]

I would give AMD a chance IF they:
1. Viable alternative to DLSS
2. 4k120 performance eg RTX 4090 or better.

Expect the former but not the later. AMD is retiring from the enthusiast class.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I feel DLSS will evolve as well and stay ahead

Now if AMD can catch up this next gen and prove time and time again they are playing with the bog boys maybe by time the 6000 series NVidias roll around it might make me consider them.

But I just want every FPS I can squeeze out of my system

 

[Lorianus]

I use a now 6 year old Asus 1440p 165hz gsync monitor that i just cant let go of, gsync is/was just superior to every other VRR so team green as long as that monitor lives.

 

[tylrdiablos]

How are AMD's drivers these days? I remember the Catalyst Control Center being a bit of a mess many moons ago.

 

[PeteBull]

In my case its a definitive no, for the simple reason to upgrade from my current gpu 3080ti i need something at least 2x as powerful for it to feel worth it, i dunno if 3k usd/euro 5090 will even be that fast in raster, it will be in rt or if we apply framegen but that isnt convincing enough reason for me
Currently 4090 is roughly 65-70% faster from 3080ti in raster so lets wait few more weeks to reveal, then another few more weeks to see independed reviews, and we can finally start making informative decisions
Bonus that could sway me one way or another is power consumption.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

If the rumors are true then they won’t even have anything for the high end. They will be competing against Intel Arc more than Nvidia.

But heck, if by some miracle they release something better than a 4090 at a lower price then I’d be interested.

 

[Boss Mog]

Supposedly the 9070 XT is around the level of a 4070 Ti in terms of raster but also in terms of RT which would be huge. If they release it for $500-600, I think AMD can eat quite a chunk of nvidia's market share as the 50 series will likely be way overpriced.

 

[Sanepar]

The only thing they need to catch is dlss quality and i will be there day one. Raster they deliver on par and vram they deliver better.

Nowadays a 6800 xt performs better than 3080 because of vram.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Supposedly the 9070 XT is around the level of a 4070 Ti in terms of raster but also in terms of RT which would be huge. If they release it for $500-600, I think AMD can eat quite a chunk of nvidia's market share as the 50 series will likely be way overpriced.

I hope that this is the case tbh. If it is then I can see myself jumping over to AMD in 2026 when the performance is likely a clear jump from my 3080.

 

[lh032]

its called the PSSR.

 

[poodaddy]

I wonder how many folks that voted no, I don't trust their tech, also own consoles and steam decks with AMD hardware that they're perfectly happy with.

 

[Buggy Loop]

The problem here is that the shock factor in Nvidia side is from flagship cards and probably in a performance range that AMD has no answer to for RDNA 4 if we go by the rumours.

So mid range 5000 series vs RDNA 4 is more likely and fall into the usual $50-$100 difference.

Is FSR4 enough to catch up to what Nvidia has been cooking? I doubt. It’s a catch up to DLSS 2 AI upscaling for what we know and maybe not even as good.

I almost have more hope for Intel at this point than AMD.

But I wish they would come with a surprise for sure.

I’ve had ATI/AMD cards for 20 years, from 1996 to 2016. Can’t say I will never return to them, but i ain’t pity buying. They need to be the best bang for the buck and not be trailing so far behind in features.

 

[Katatonic]

Hell no lol.

 

[tkscz]

Not unless they drop those prices. AMD cards aren't bad but selling at the same prices as nvidia, why would I switch to the lesser card if the price isn't low enough to make it worth it.

 

[Hoddi]

As long as it's decently priced then sure. I care less about RT performance but the lack of a DLSS competitor was my main issue with their last cards.

How are AMD's drivers these days? I remember the Catalyst Control Center being a bit of a mess many moons ago.

They're stable if that's what you mean. Their earlier performance issues in OpenGL/DX11 aren't as relevant these days while their Vulkan/DX12 drivers seem to perform very well.

People have a habit of conflating 'AMD driver issues' to mean that the drivers are unstable when people were just talking about their performance.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Team Red would be Nintendo. DLSS4 on the new Switch 2. Suddenly everyone switching to switch.

 

[poppabk]

I will be riding my 6900XT until the wheels fall off. Unless the next gen of consoles are capable of 4080 levels of path tracing I may get another console generation out of it.

 

[simpatico]

lmao. People have already gotten their hopes dashed 3 times by FSR, but somehow there's still organic hope that "the next one, that's the one that's really gonna work". smh

I'm not completely ruling out buying an AMD GPU, but trust me when I say FSR will always be garbage. XeSS and Battlemage is way more compelling for the money. AMD cost is so high now you might as well buy Nvidia.

 

[poppabk]

lmao. People have already gotten their hopes dashed 3 times by FSR, but somehow there's still organic hope that "the next one, that's the one that's really gonna work". smh

I'm not completely ruling out buying an AMD GPU, but trust me when I say FSR will always be garbage. XeSS and Battlemage is way more compelling for the money. AMD cost is so high now you might as well buy Nvidia.

FSR - considering it works without any dedicated hardware is pretty impressive as long as you can hit a decent upscaling resolution.
The question is will AMD move to a hardware solution. Intel and Sony were fairly competitive out of the gate with their own hardware solutions, no reason AMD can't be.

 

[owandeseis]

We've seen what next gen AMD is capable of RT and upscaling wise thanks to the PS5 Pro, just like base consoles were pretty much a 6700 card.

Based on what's seen on third party games with RT, it's not that it won't compete with a 5000 series, it's that it won't even compete with the 3000 series, Alan Wake on Pro must be trading blows with a 3070 at best.

So it'll be either moving to a 5000 or just staying like this, don't think the new AMD cards will be a upgrade at all for those with a 3080 or higher except for a few cases in just raster

 

[CLW]

My 7900xtx is basically a 4080 (I don’t care at all about RT or fake frames) for $400 less

 

[simpatico]

FSR - considering it works without any dedicated hardware is pretty impressive as long as you can hit a decent upscaling resolution.

It would be if XeSS was not available in mostly the same titles. They seemed to get a better result with far less investment. Or at least Intel is tooting their XeSS investment horn as much as AMD does with FSR.

 

[SolidQ]

Upscaling doesn't matter for me (red or green) Just price/perf. So for me, if 5070 and 9070 +- same. 9070 is clear winner for me.

 

[Cakeboxer]

I don't have a team. i buy whatever product offers me the best price performance ratio.

 

[Fake]

We can only hope A.I will solve all those mess.

 

[Sanepar]

My 7900xtx is basically a 4080 (I don’t care at all about RT or fake frames) for $400 less

And it has 24gb against always capped vram on Nvidia. I hate my 4080. I would switch easily.