WoW: Howza Priest win a duel versus a Rogue?

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Drinky Crow

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For the life of me, I can NOT win a duel versus a Rogue in WoW, even if the rogue is 3-4 levels lower. I'm playing a priest, and I can slaughter warlocks and mages a couple levels above me, so I know my reflexes and timing don't suck.

My attack is predictable -- PW: Shield + Inner Fire on countdown, then Wave of Pain, Mind Blast, Renew on self, Smite (while MB charges), alternating MB and Smite and Flash Heal when needed. I'll throw in a Psychic Scream on demand to get a heal breather, but that's about it.

Sounds alright, but the damn rogues KICK me out of every spellcast. Outside of keeping my shield up and using the Discipline talent that cuts back on the "Can't Shield" time for PW: Shield, is there any way to make my priest's spellcasting less interruptable?

Or is priest versus rogue at the sub-30 level always going to be a total beatdown on the holy man?

What'm I missing, here?

EDIT: Also, does Shackle Undead work on undead PCs? I just got it but haven't tried it. Hee hee.
 
A) Paladins are Alliance.
B) Paladins are gay, pejoratively speaking.
C) Alliance is gay, pejoratively speaking.

I do not wish to be so very gay as that, doubly pejoratively speaking.
 
was going to tell you how to win but forget it now


If a rogue is giving you trouble, pray you never have to fight a paladin
 
that shadow poison skill you have. scream. the 1.5sec cast shadow euivalent of smite. a smite. run.

repeat.
 
Its gonna double suck getting your ass kicked by a pally then.

Alliance Dwarf Rogue here that could stomp a Horde daily and not miss 2nd breakfast...
 
The classes weren't made to be able to easily kill each other. The whole game and each classes' abilities don't revolve around dueling.

A rogue attacks, stuns, kills, etc. as a part of its profession. It's really good at it. You heal people and tap enemies on the head with a little wand. STFU.
 
Drinky Crow said:
A) Paladins are Alliance.
B) Paladins are gay, pejoratively speaking.
C) Alliance is gay, pejoratively speaking.

I do not wish to be so very gay as that, doubly pejoratively speaking.
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:lol

My thoughts exactly.
 
i dunno, it seems to me that the game isn't exactly designed to balance classes for one on one pvp. i don't think a priest is even intended to have a chance against a rogue..

edit: damn you mzo. too fast for me.
 
Well, I figured it was a lopsided fight, and I'm not bitchin' about that. All I wanna know is how I might eke out an unlikely victory so's I can gloat at MAF/Tre until they strand me in Hillsbrad and taunt me over guild chat for hours. :(
 
Drinky Crow said:
What, will a Paladin gay me to death? IF SO, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DUEL ADVICE TO YOURSELVES SIRS AS HORDE FOLK DO NOT SWING THAT WAY.
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Well if you did fight a paladin you ass would get slammed repeatedly and you would walk away changed for life... :lol
 
I have a lvl 40 dwarven pally. I had to stop and change to a dwarven warrior because the pally ghey was getting to me. The amount of cheez that is pally gameplay is ridculous.
 
If the above post from .hacked is any indicator, it's probably good that you gave up -- you mighta contracted something, well, itchy.
 
Seriously, it is retarded. You chuck on a aura, blessing, then seal, hit a few times. When your life is 2/3rds down, INVULNERABILITY, heal twice. Repeat. You actually get 2 invulnerbilities against melee. So gay.

Yesterday i just had it and had to stop.
 
casters own pallies, pallies own rogues, rogues own casters....

thats the way of life in wow.

Monk said:
Seriously, it is retarded. You chuck on a aura, blessing, then seal, hit a few times. When your life is 2/3rds down, INVULNERABILITY, heal twice. Repeat. You actually get 2 invulnerbilities against melee. So gay.

Yesterday i just had it and had to stop.
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what class are you?

its not hard stopping a paly unless your a rogue.

and it aint that hard even then.

peace
 
what's a "dot"? "fear" is psychic scream, right? I hadn't used it much in duels because I thought it boosted their evade when they were fleeing -- if I'm wrong, sweet.

Monk: what's "blessing" and "seal". I'm lvl 20. I know 30+ Priests smack just about EVERYONE around, but at 20, my buffs are limited.
 
Drinky Crow said:
what's a "dot"? "fear" is psychic scream, right? I hadn't used it much in duels because I thought it boosted their evade when they were fleeing -- if I'm wrong, sweet.
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dude....fear fuckin OWNZ...especially against pallies...i KNOW.

Monk: what's "blessing" and "seal". I'm lvl 20.
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paly abilities
 
I WAS a pally. There is an invulnearbilty that negates fear when you use it(after it is cast on you), lasts 10 seconds, complete invincibility. And guess the bad thing about it? You only get to attack at half speed! OH NOS!
 
wownotgay.jpg


Besides the Pony Tail and porno mustache, what's so gay about my Paladin?
 
Paladins have the ability to be kick ass, well played, support characters. It's just that less than 1% of them use that ability.

I'm just glad we have a few active preists and druids in our guild, so we dont have to haul the Retribution two-hander kiddies around.
 
Monk said:
I WAS a pally. There is an invulnearbilty that negates fear when you use it(after it is cast on you), lasts 10 seconds, complete invincibility. And guess the bad thing about it? You only get to attack at half speed! OH NOS!
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priests get invincibility that lets them attack as well.
 
For some reason people thing pally's are invulnerable tanks that can kill everything but pals have very distinct disadvantages - they are tied to short ranged attacks, they don't get anything near true invulnerability until they are what level 40 or so, their damage per second is paltry. I've seen people fear/freeze/etc a pally then increase the distance and hit with various magics. The best a pal can do is get 6-8 seconds of "can't attack" invulnerability so that he can either chose to heal or get close.

Something that is true cheese is people with high level pets that just keep healing their pets or stunning you during a duel. All the classes have their cheese moments and have classes that they have a distinct advantage against.
 
1) His name is SAMSON. It doesn't get more gay trucker porno than that.
2) He looks like a Tom of Finland character. Correction: you don't get more gay than THAT.
3) He's Alliance and he's a paladin. Corrected again: that's HOMO UBER ALLES.
 
Paladin's arent overpowered so much as they are annoying. Paladins only real asset is survivabilty. Still though, people dislike Paladins because it's what the majority of talentless twits play in WoW, and you can be moderately competetive on a Pally without having any real sembalance of skill.
 
Fixed2BeBroken said:
priests get invincibility that lets them attack as well.
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Yeah but that last for a certain amount fo damage(usually 2-4 hits). The skill is called divine shield BTW. The only reason some pallys lose is because most pallys are complete idiots that dont understand concepts like range.
 
Monk said:
Yeah but that last for a certain amount fo damage(usually 2-4 hits). The skill is called divine shield BTW. The only reason some pallys lose is because most pallys are complete idiots that dont understand concepts like range.
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i know the name of it...i was just calling it what you were calling it because i was responding to you.

what rank of divine shield lets you attack? i didnt know you could. cause at the rank im at now (rank 2 divine shield) i cant attack.

either way...the whole point is moot. Paladins have Shitty DPS...probably the worst in the game.

they say anyone can use a paly and own. I say anyone can use a Caster and stun and nuke palys to death and own as well.

every character in the game is accessible to noobs. Blizzard made this game noob friendly.
And Most of the Noobs in this game are NE players (just like TFT), not paly players....you can tell by seeing how many Dead corpses you find in the NE start area compared to all other start areas.

peace
 
Paladins have far from shitty DPS, even with a shield and holy/protect speccing, it is very solid considering their actual job and other advantages.
 
I have 123.7 dps, i can beat a warrior at straight melee without healing as long as i have crusader(40% attack speed) and blessing of kings(10% to all stats). Imagine it WITH healing!



I think it is rank 3. But i am not sure, you want me to check?
 
Alex said:
Paladins have far from shitty DPS, even with a shield and holy/protect speccing, it is very solid considering their actual job and other advantages.
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they have decent dps for THIER ROLE....but that doesnt mean thier dps Doesnt Suck ass.

Monk said:
I have 123.7 dps, i can beat a warrior at straight melee without healing as long as i have crusader(40% attack speed) and blessing of kings(10% to all stats). Imagine it WITH healing!



I think it is rank 3. But i am not sure, you want me to check?
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Yea, of course they are gonna have a decent DPS with seals and blessing of kings.

a retribution paly will have more better dps than a paly who plays his "Role" cause they then become more of an attacker than a supporter.

but still...palys are regarded to have a shitty dps among most if not all classes. I mean you may be able to bring up wierd points and all, but its just a fact.

peace
 
I see far more Hunter and Rogues then any other class on the server I play on. When I first play a new MMORPG I always pick the paladin class if I can. I'm a sucker for a fighting healer. Looks like WoW is the 1st time they don't totally suck.
 
Drinky Crow said:
For the life of me, I can NOT win a duel versus a Rogue in WoW, even if the rogue is 3-4 levels lower. I'm playing a priest, and I can slaughter warlocks and mages a couple levels above me, so I know my reflexes and timing don't suck.

My attack is predictable -- PW: Shield + Inner Fire on countdown, then Wave of Pain, Mind Blast, Renew on self, Smite (while MB charges), alternating MB and Smite and Flash Heal when needed. I'll throw in a Psychic Scream on demand to get a heal breather, but that's about it.

Sounds alright, but the damn rogues KICK me out of every spellcast. Outside of keeping my shield up and using the Discipline talent that cuts back on the "Can't Shield" time for PW: Shield, is there any way to make my priest's spellcasting less interruptable?

Or is priest versus rogue at the sub-30 level always going to be a total beatdown on the holy man?

What'm I missing, here?

EDIT: Also, does Shackle Undead work on undead PCs? I just got it but haven't tried it. Hee hee.
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Psychic scream, shadow word: pain (this has the added bonus of breaking them out of vanish if they use this), shield and renew yourself. Only do spells with casting time when you have some good room from the rogue.

edit: also, priests stack up super well against rogues as they develop. especially if you invest in improved psychic scream and mind flay from shadow talents. rogues are good against a lot of casters, but not priests.
 
Oh, I'm not contending the fact that Paladin is the ultimate anti-Warrior weapon, but beating them in a straight melee bout seems highly unlikely to me. Warriors are not nearly as "gimped" as some people blast them out to be, nor are Paladins as overpowered.

Fun fact : duels are not a slick way to judge balance.
 
Alex said:
You must be fighting some garbage Warriors.
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What are you talking about? This was with my lvl 40 pally. He used his stuns and everything.



EDIT: I know warriors arent that gimped, I am saying that pallies are definitely overpowered. You only see how overpowered they are when you play them.

The only reason why you think they are not is because most pallies are complete retards.
 
how I kill a rogue as a warlock.. never played a priest but maybe it will give you some insight..

before the duel starts cast improved curse

duel starts cast Curse of Agony and Corruption (both instacast dots) and sick imp on him

cast fear, while feared cast Siphon Life (life transfer dot).. at this point I will usually do 2-3 life taps to get mana back. meanwhile as he is feared, dots and imp are doing damage and I am getting a little health back from my siphon life

now I just drain life on him and cast Shadow Bolt everytime nightfall procs (instacast shadow bolt).

when all is said and done I should be doing about 300-400DPS, getting back 160HP every 3 seconds, get at least 10 seconds worth of free dotting from fear (I never use fear more than once)

now I know you don't get the imp or dots, but like I said.. just a suggestion... I don't want to suggest keeping him mezzed as much as possible because that will only get fears nerfed worse, but that is always an option also.

for dueling though be warned... undead have WotF (Will of the Forsaken). This can instantly break fear or mezz... fighting an undead rogue I switch this up by leading off with my two long dots (immolate and siphon life) and then alternate between drain life (and cast all shadow bolt procs) and searing pain to try and outDPS him.

The problem with a priest vs. a rogue is that you might now be able to outdps him even with the fear... of course like I said, you could try fearing him for the 2 or three times to give yourself a little more time.. not familiar with a priest.
 
Alex said:
Oh, I'm not contending the fact that Paladin is the ultimate anti-Warrior weapon, but beating them in a straight melee bout seems highly unlikely to me. Warriors are not nearly as "gimped" as some people blast them out to be, nor are Paladins as overpowered.

Fun fact : duels are not a slick way to judge balance.
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I'd believe it with the current warrior. It's seriously pathetic for dps, and far below paladins. Execute looks impressive, but it's really the only big hit warriors get. The only really solid build I've found so far is a stun-focused build where you get improved revenge, concussive blow, mace spec and focus on defensive talents. I duo some with a warrior who's specced this way for the most part and he's pretty good, but he definitely doesn't do any good dps.
 
Again, what's a "dot"?

undead have WotF (Will of the Forsaken). This can instantly break fear or mezz
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Oh, no WONDER my fear was totally inconsistent -- I've only been dueling Undead. Duh duh. <smacks head>
 
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nothing gay about my paly. :D

borghe said:
how I kill a rogue as a warlock.. never played a priest but maybe it will give you some insight..

before the duel starts cast improved curse

duel starts cast Curse of Agony and Corruption (both instacast dots) and sick imp on him

cast fear, while feared cast Siphon Life (life transfer dot).. at this point I will usually do 2-3 life taps to get mana back. meanwhile as he is feared, dots and imp are doing damage and I am getting a little health back from my siphon life

now I just drain life on him and cast Shadow Bolt everytime nightfall procs (instacast shadow bolt).

when all is said and done I should be doing about 300-400DPS, getting back 160HP every 3 seconds, get at least 10 seconds worth of free dotting from fear (I never use fear more than once)

now I know you don't get the imp or dots, but like I said.. just a suggestion... I don't want to suggest keeping him mezzed as much as possible because that will only get fears nerfed worse, but that is always an option also.

for dueling though be warned... undead have WotF (Will of the Forsaken). This can instantly break fear or mezz... fighting an undead rogue I switch this up by leading off with my two long dots (immolate and siphon life) and then alternate between drain life (and cast all shadow bolt procs) and searing pain to try and outDPS him.

The problem with a priest vs. a rogue is that you might now be able to outdps him even with the fear... of course like I said, you could try fearing him for the 2 or three times to give yourself a little more time.. not familiar with a priest.
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Warlocks are considered the Ace class in duels/1v1 if used right.

peace
 
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