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[MrAngryFace]

Are we taking into account the different Rogue builds? Sorta stupid assuming there's a cure all for Rogues, or other classes for that matter. I figure it just comes down to the players ability to adapt. Sure fire methods dont really exist.

 

[Fragamemnon]

The basics are the same regardless of rogue spec-deny the rogue combo points while doing damage and dragging out the fight to allow two fears, if needed. A longer fight greatly favors the priest.

Adaptation helps, of course. That goes for any duelist scenario.

 

[MrAngryFace]

I dunno, in a few levels ill get combo points just from dodging, which is pretty insane.

I think my biggest problem even as undead rogue isnt traps or anything, is Psychic scream and such.

DoT (and the initial critical hits from ambush+evicerate) is what I depend on, and I get enough combo points to make that effective from various sources. Usually if I do enough damage initially the person will panic into self preservation mode instead of actually attacking me.

Also I potion up pretty good before fights.

 

[Crystalkoen]

Also make sure you pick up spiritual focus talent, that combined with concentration aura means you cannot be interrupted while taking damage.

All that does is prevent them from slowing your casting through hits. Doesn't stop Kick or Gouge, which a good Rogue can offset to disallow all magic.

Interesting factoid (if you didn't know it yet): Paladin's Divine Aura (or whatever it is, the invuln you get at level 6) prevents ALL damage/negative effects. Thus, a rogue cannot kick, gouge or stun you during that time. A priest's Holy Word: Shield doesn't work that well, it just absorbs damage, thus allowing a Rogue to kick/gouge/stun them through it.

Out of everything a Paladin has, that's my only real complaint about them. That, and the ability to cast spells without breaking the invuln. But this is neither the time, nor the place to gripe about that.

Hope these comments/strategies are helping you a bit, Drinky.

 

[borghe]

speaking of potioning up, there are really a few factors to account for in a duel... namely how prepared are you and how prepared is the other person.. are you going into a fight with no potions and just your selfbuffs? are they going in with potions, healthstones, bandages, full selfbuffs, buffs from other players, and/or potions and scrolls?

To give you a scenario, when I just turned 40, I came across a flagged dwarf hunter and nE druid.. hunter was 38 and druid was 37. I think I had my voidwalker out at the time.. well, I cast Demon Armor and just went in it with them. They were expecting it because they were firing off buffs left and right also.. (PvE server). I got the hunter down to about 1/4 health, never touched the druid, and died... yay...

but that got me thinking... so I rezzed, rested, ate some food and got Well Fed, buffed with demon armor, created a healthstone, and called out my imp... not really a huge difference.. just a healthstone (500 HP) and an imp and like 300 more HP after well fed and blood pact... but it made all the difference in the world... took the hunter out with like maybe 1/3 of my HP left (after healthstone) and then took out the druid barely taking a tick on that (though at about 2/3 health she went into panic mode). oh, and obviously I forgot to mention the hunter's pet tiger in there.. so it was 3 against 2...

anyway, the point behind it all is how prepared are you.. no I don't mean do you have all of your buffs up... I mean are you really prepared? do you have some bandages, potions, a healthstone, if you are a pet user do you have your PvP pet out, do you have all long duration potions or scrolls up, etc.... because if you don't and the other person does... well, I would hardly call that a good representation of a one on one fight.

 

[MrAngryFace]

Im not on a PvP server so all of my duels are arranged, and fights otherwise are prepared for.

Sorry kids, if it makes me not hardcore to enjoy being ganked or ganking another, but I think until thats fixed, im not playing PvP.

I think potions/first aid/ and all that stuff should be something given time for coinsideration because I dont think enough importance is place on trade skills as it is. Obviously fishing wont affect a fight, but I would think trade skills should matter more than how fast you can make money.

BTW I can sell swiftness potions at 2 silver each, anyone seen them sell higher? Trying to push the ceiling. Theyre crazy easy to make but people love good runaway potions./

 

[Monk]

nod... between fear and immunity shield I ALWAYS have time to pop off a heavy mageweave bandage during a fight... what is even better is when the paladin isn't paying attention and.. and ..and... IMMUNITY SHIELDS WHEN I HAVE NO MANA!!! LOL!!! allow me to life tap ALL of my health, fear you when your immunity shield drops and then heavy mageweave bandage myself back to 1/2-2/3 life... I am now virtually refreshed for the entire battle YET again and he has just spent like what.. 20 seconds unable to do anything worthwhile??? lol....

But what do you do when you fight a higher lvl pally that CAN ALSO attack during the immunity shield?

 

[Ikse]

BTW I can sell swiftness potions at 2 silver each, anyone seen them sell higher? Trying to push the ceiling. Theyre crazy easy to make but people love good runaway potions./

On Shadow Moon, the ingredient Swifthistle goes for quite a lot of money, sometimes 1g for 20 people buy them out for. Might be more worthwhile selling the ingredient instead of the potion if its like that on your server aswell!

 

[MrAngryFace]

What else is swifthistle used for, happen to know? Its not nearly as hard to get as StrangleKelp which requires SCOURING THE FUCKING OCEAN. Briarthorn and Mageroyal usually has Swiftthistle. Ill consider what you say tho.

 

[Ikse]

What else is swifthistle used for, happen to know? Its not nearly as hard to get as StrangleKelp which requires SCOURING THE FUCKING OCEAN. Briarthorn and Mageroyal usually has Swiftthistle. Ill consider what you say tho.

I use it mainly for Thistle Tea, but its used in a few other potions aswell as Swiftness

http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=1423

None of them look as good though

 

[borghe]

sorry, I meant it like this.. are you prepared for a fight or are you P-R-E-P-A-R-E-D for a fight... I thought I was prepared for a fight with a 38 and 37 at 40.. I was wrong...

didn't mean anything about you being on a PvP server or not.. though on a PvP server it is certainly harder to be P-R-E-P-A-R-E-D at ALL times.

as for divine shield (meant protection in your quote).. it is a little tougher.. but basically it only lasts 12 seconds AND slows their attack speed down to 50% in which case they are only hitting you for 150-300 damage a pop AT reduced speed. they only get it once per battle (5 minute timer) so my best bet during that time is to just ignore them... if you are low on health when they pop it use a potion.. if you aren't low on health and low on mana life tap and then use a potion. if you aren't low on health or mana... ummm.. just wait it out

also let me say that any good warlock should have a TON of HP.. I am 41 and with my imp's blood pact I have just under 2600... 12 seconds is hardly any amount of time for a paladin to whittle away any good portion of that.. they just don't do the damage...

as for swiftness potions, they are vritually worthless on bloodhoof.. 50% speed for 15s.. big whoop... I would rather spend my potion use on a healing potion or something easy to come across than a relatively rare (between recipe and herb) potion. I used to be able to get 50s a stack for them within a week after launch, but at this point they don't even sell for 5s. Ikse is right.. sell the herbs on AH instead... you will ALWAYS have some unsuspecting alchemist who hasn't learned that swiftthistle recipes aren't really worth it and will be willing to spend 1g for a stack of 20.. I mean the plant is rare without question.. too bad it's potions are pretty much useless.

 

[MrAngryFace]

Ikse: Ill have to look into it, ill give it a shot tonight, ill be out herbing. Gotta slow down so my friends can catch up.

I swear, levels 20-25 were all bears near hillsbrad. I made gobs of money doing that too. Now they are too easy but for that window, so much better than the 'run the fuck all over quests'

 

[akascream]

I play on a nonpvp server too MAF. It's pretty fun starting shit though. When we feel like pvping, this is what we tend to do:

1) One of you needs a lowbie alt in thier 20s or 30s level wise. Find where the road t's off to southshore and sit down within viewable distance of the road. Now /pvp and /afk. It's amazing this doesn't raise many red flags. People just see an easy kill.

2) Outside the clip plane of your bait sits your 40-60s on mounts. When an alliance thinks he is going to gank our bait (the irony of which validates this strategy), we rush in and take em out.

3) Eventually higher level alliance will show up. We push them to southshore, we get pushed back to tauren mill ect.. lots of fun. =)


And when it's all over, we can go back to PvE without the nuissance of giggles the ganker heh.

 

[borghe]

that is why I love PvE.. I have made a PvP player as well, but yeah... for me PvE seems like the perfect balance of PvP for me... I can PvP whenever I want to but don't have to sit there looking over my shoulder in 80% of the world making sure some level 60 guy isn't sitting bored one day looking for people to gank.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

I play on a nonpvp server too MAF. It's pretty fun starting shit though. When we feel like pvping, this is what we tend to do:

1) One of you needs a lowbie alt in thier 20s or 30s level wise. Find where the road t's off to southshore and sit down within viewable distance of the road. Now /pvp and /afk. It's amazing this doesn't raise many red flags. People just see an easy kill.

2) Outside the clip plane of your bait sits your 40-60s on mounts. When an alliance thinks he is going to gank our bait (the irony of which validates this strategy), we rush in and take em out.

3) Eventually higher level alliance will show up. We push them to southshore, we get pushed back to tauren mill ect.. lots of fun. =)


And when it's all over, we can go back to PvE without the nuissance of giggles the ganker heh.

While leveling my undead warlock in Crossroads yesterday, a level 2 Gnome mage came up to me and started dancing then making rude gestures at me. As if I'm stupid enough to just think,"... oh shit, easy kill!". I will not bite the bait, vile shrimp!

 

[akascream]

While leveling my undead warlock in Crossroads yesterday, a level 2 Gnome mage came up to me and started dancing then making rude gestures at me. As if I'm stupid enough to just think,"... oh shit, easy kill!". I will not bite the bait, vile shrimp!

We aren't that obvious (we sit a bit off the road, though I admit being both pvp flagged AND afk screams trap), but I admit our methods ought to raise red flags. The funny thing is, it works every time heh. I think lots of em don't really care either and just see it as fun.

 

[borghe]

it depends.. I saw a PvP dwarf running towards ratchet last week... I figured what the heck... let's gank him (I am a firm believer that if you are PvP flagged on a PvE server it is impossible to be ganked. You knowingly set your PvP flag). So I killed him, set my flag, etc.. then I was legitimately waiting for the boat and in that time he came back again, so I killed him again...

and to those who cry foul, allow me to let you in that I do unto others as I am ok with them doing unto me.. I was going into dun morogh (to get to the badlands) and came across one of the PvP guards who gaurd the tunnel.. level 30 I figure, what the hell... well, little did I realize that my res sickness was still up.. DOH. so I die, and where does it stick me? the graveyard in the noob starting... ummmmmmmmm.. lol.. so I figure I can res and just run out of there.. I mean what noob alliance are going to try to fight a PvP guy 30 levels higher than them... oh, except for that level 50 and level 60 there.. so they killed me and then camped the graveyard... and it all stems down to that I brought it on myself in the first place.

and for those wondering, if the graveyard is ever camped you cAN wait out your PvP flag.. 5 minutes.. 5 long and ghostly minutes.

We aren't that obvious (we sit a bit off the road, though I admit being both pvp flagged AND afk screams trap), but I admit our methods ought to raise red flags. The funny thing is, it works every time heh. I think lots of em don't really care either and just see it as fun.

heh... if you do it regularly, they expect it... it is similar as how XR starts every night... a bunch of Alliance get rightoutside of XR and go PvP.. it is just the way we have come to expect the nightly XR battles to start