If it's any consolation, I'm beginning to come around to your point of view. The advantages of face-to-face meetings are great indeed, as are the difficulties in finding/forming/joining a reliable online group that I will be able to work into my schedule. But I think it self-evident that I've reached a tipping point where I'm currently not getting what I want or need such that the upsides to in-person meetings kind of evaporate.You already know my advice. And I know you have specific reasons you can't do an online group. But I think you might find it's easier to find solutions to those obstacles than it is to find solutions to the in-person group obstacles.
I don't know if it's a conflict between me and most of the members so much as they're being railroaded into participating since she sets the agenda and calls the shots. The end result is the same, though, so I guess it's a moot point.Anyway. Assuming you don't do that, a few thoughts. It sounds like there's a fundamental conflict between you and the main organizer (and most of the members) over the structure and purpose of this group. She wants it to be something more like the GAF writing challenges. You want it to be more like an actual critique group. This is an irreconcilable difference, and I think your best option at this point is to just bail.
The spin off thing was intended to be temporary and allow different people in the group to cycle through with their own books in the hopper. But now, fuck it, I wash my hands of it. It's not worth the hassle trying to help people work together in a framework for it when all they want is for people to read *their* stuff and not have to pull their own weight.This can be difficult when it's something you've put this much time and energy into, trying to help out others and build something cool. But if you're not getting what you want out of it, and if others don't want the things you want, it's just a sinkhole for mental energy.
So. What to do after bailing? Well, the most straightforward way to find a group that does what you want is to start your own group. It's not clear from your follow-up post whether you're keeping on going with your spin-off meeting or if it was just a temporary thing. But it sounds like a great place to start (and don't feel bad about "poaching" people--if your new group works better for them than the old one did, then all is as it should be). You could get a solid core to a critique group with only four or five people, though I'd probably want to build up to a few more than that, maybe seven or eight, so there's regular material and enough crits. I'd probably run it along the lines of the online crit group guidelines I've posted before; all those things work really well to make things run smoothly in person as much as online.
The critique group guidelines where people break their stuff up into 20K word chunks is what the current spin-off group is based around. But the vast majority of stuff I write is only short stories every couple weeks, so I don't know how great that will work out. Plus, I absolutely do not have the time to read 20K words from seven or eight people every other week. I could probably try and carve out my own hybrid approach where I read as much as I can and let people know what I thought of what I got through, but Idunno.
We've had dozens of people cycle in and out of meetings with this group, and no one has my staying power or dedication, and it frustrates the shit out of me because I don't know how to recruit talent. I know you've recommended making connections at conferences, but price of attending those things remains an obstacle for me, and I'm not exactly a gregarious person.
I did, however, join the Pacific Northwest Writer's Association, and they have free workshops for members to attend. I plan on hitting up at least a few of those, it may be an alternative for me to explore.
As far as skill levels, I hear you. The ideal would be to find a group where you're somewhere in the middle, so you can learn from the other folks. On the other hand, people who aren't on your level can still give excellent critiques. You might have to nudge them into looking at things in the way most helpful to you, ask the right questions, etc. But it can be done!
Hopefully the other group you're checking out is decent. If it's another meetup.com thing, I dunno. Seems like not the best venue to start this kind of thing.
Yeah, it's another Meetup group : / I realize it's not the best means of accomplishing what I'm trying to do, and probably deserve some falsely attributed Einstein quotes about insanity being doing the same thing and expecting different results, but god damn it, finding and/or starting a group is fucking hard.