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SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Printed out my entire manuscript to send to Penguin since they take unsolicited fantasy/sci-fi.

z54GEyW.jpg


Sending this bad boy out tomorrow.
 

SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Is this the 190k one? Did you end up reclassifying it?
Yeah. I classified it as fantasy/sci-fi. My wording for Penguin in my cover letter was along the lines of "intended for all ages" or something to that effect.
 
Well I did it. I finished my novel. 130,000 word first draft. Now to see what my wife thinks of the last two chapters and epilogue and begin revisions.
 

SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Probably for the best.

Curious as to the image of your manuscript: no indents? That your cover letter?
That's the cover letter, yeah. The story itself has indents.

Well I did it. I finished my novel. 130,000 word first draft. Now to see what my wife thinks of the last two chapters and epilogue and begin revisions.
Nice!
 
Well I did it. I finished my novel. 130,000 word first draft. Now to see what my wife thinks of the last two chapters and epilogue and begin revisions.

Good luck.

My advice would be to make the revisions and check for typos before you subject a reader to your work. I wanted my wife to enjoy the story and not be bogged down by errors that would distract her, so I cleaned up the first draft and gave her the revised copy.
 
Good luck.

My advice would be to make the revisions and check for typos before you subject a reader to your work. I wanted my wife to enjoy the story and not be bogged down by errors that would distract her, so I cleaned up the first draft and gave her the revised copy.

Well, she insisted she read it early. I was saving it for Christmas, but she was concerned about whether she'd enjoy my novel or not (I'd mostly written screenplays up to this point and while she loved quite a few of those, she didn't enjoy the 'pressure' of going into this blind) So she's already read ten chapters before I'd even finished the first draft.

As I said in a previous update she actually has enjoyed it quite a bit so far. Otherwise I'm waiting to share it with anyone else until I make revisions.
 

SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I haven't written a single thing in over a week. :/ The worst part is that the ideas are there, and they aren't even vague - I pretty much know what I want to write, but I can't motivate myself to get to the actual "work" part of the process.

Also, I still haven't sent that manuscript out... woops.
 
has this happened to you

I have three incredibly embarrassing but fundamentally brilliant pornographic stories available on Amazon. I still hold hope that the ... "pornographic stories people" will stumble across them accidentally and it'll somehow lead to worldwide fame and fortune.

A relatively awkward to explain fame and fortune to my kids, but I always figured I'll cross that bridge when I come to it and just buy them stuff.

Smoothly changing gears, I've been enjoying Patrick Rothfuss' work in a LTP kind of way, even if I'm not sure how much I like it yet. Of particular note though is his blog entries about the election http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/, which may or may not have recently depressed the fuck out of you.

He shook his head. “She told me pretty much every book for the spring lineup is getting turned in late. Everyone’s brainsick. Everybody’s a wreck about the election.”

I hadn’t known, but I wasn’t surprised. You can’t chop wood with a broken collarbone. And when your head is in a bad place, it’s hard to do work that requires your head.

Writing, if you hadn’t guessed, is pretty head intensive.

I don't know, just made me feel good that there are good people out there feeling the same way. Makes me want to pick up the pen again properly.
 

SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Does anyone ever actually lose inspiration by looking at or reading other's people's creative work? Sometimes I'm writing and I see what other people have made and I can't help but think that it's all been done before, and that my work is just a tiny light amidst a cosmos of brilliant stars.
 
Does anyone ever actually lose inspiration by looking at or reading other's people's creative work? Sometimes I'm writing and I see what other people have made and I can't help but think that it's all been done before, and that my work is just a tiny light amidst a cosmos of brilliant stars.

Not really. The most qualified person to write what is in your head is you and you are also the only person who will ever do so, if you just get the words down.

It is a winning combination.
 

Soulfire

Member
Does anyone ever actually lose inspiration by looking at or reading other's people's creative work? Sometimes I'm writing and I see what other people have made and I can't help but think that it's all been done before, and that my work is just a tiny light amidst a cosmos of brilliant stars.

I've read a couple books where I think there's no way I'll ever create anything as amazing as this so why bother, but I get over it. I may not create something like that, but the world needs books that aren't life changing.
 
Does anyone ever actually lose inspiration by looking at or reading other's people's creative work? Sometimes I'm writing and I see what other people have made and I can't help but think that it's all been done before, and that my work is just a tiny light amidst a cosmos of brilliant stars.
Sometimes, yeah. Usually it's a Neil Gaiman novel.

I feel like just because I'll never write anything as great as his stuff, it doesn't mean I shouldn't try, you know? like it's corny positive but it keeps me going.
 

zulux21

Member
Does anyone ever actually lose inspiration by looking at or reading other's people's creative work? Sometimes I'm writing and I see what other people have made and I can't help but think that it's all been done before, and that my work is just a tiny light amidst a cosmos of brilliant stars.

heh... I can get that feeling, but at least with my work while it involves plenty of themes that have been done a number of times, I don't know of anything that comes close to the combination of themes or using them in the same way.

some day I will release it, and someone will look at me and tell me it is just like such and such... but a lot of my common tropes are at least taken from japanese anime so they aren't super common in western writing. though it also means there likely isn't much market for my story, but whatever all I want is someday someone to read it and tell me the legitimately enjoyed it.
 

SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I love you guys. Those were all very inspiring responses.
 
Does anyone ever actually lose inspiration by looking at or reading other's people's creative work? Sometimes I'm writing and I see what other people have made and I can't help but think that it's all been done before, and that my work is just a tiny light amidst a cosmos of brilliant stars.

Also know that books aren't the product of a sole, creative mind. They're the final result of input garnered by peer reviews and editors.
 
Does anyone ever actually lose inspiration by looking at or reading other's people's creative work? Sometimes I'm writing and I see what other people have made and I can't help but think that it's all been done before, and that my work is just a tiny light amidst a cosmos of brilliant stars.

Yes, and usually it's Guy Gavriel Kay for me. I mean, gotdamn he can write. Just such fluidity and lyrical prose. I'll usually need to take a little break from writing (not that I've been doing much writing lately blarg) after reading one of his books.

I've read a couple books where I think there's no way I'll ever create anything as amazing as this so why bother, but I get over it. I may not create something like that, but the world needs books that aren't life changing.

Lots of great answers in here, but this one sticks with me the most.
 

UCBooties

Member
The first part of the story I wrote for Beneath Nexus is up on the Silverclutch Games website. I'm not sure what they're doing with the rest of it.
 

FlowersisBritish

fleurs n'est pas britannique
Does anyone ever actually lose inspiration by looking at or reading other's people's creative work? Sometimes I'm writing and I see what other people have made and I can't help but think that it's all been done before, and that my work is just a tiny light amidst a cosmos of brilliant stars.

Hope my two cents doesn't get lost in the thread, especially since it's going to be rambly.

Yeah, happens to me all the time. I follow a bunch of way more successful, better liked, prettier looking short story writers on twitter and they've been friends with each other for what feels like ever, and they keep getting success, and here I sit with barely any publication history and the most anyone's offered me for a short story was ten dollars. I stare into this space they build up for themselves and i get self-conscious and as a result, that makes me sensitive so when I hear a particularly harsh criticism I kind of spiral into depression because of it. I put a story up on a website, Critique-Circle, and it got a lot of negative (and positive too) responses and I haven't used the site since. I am going to again, it was convenient in a lot of ways, but I'll get to that a little later.

I think those emotions and responses are okay, truth be told. Writing is a medium of the heart and the heart is just as prone to great bursts of sadness as it is to happiness and love. As with anything in life, it's about how you go forward. For me, I look in the mirror, splash some cold water, and tell myself "get better!" Not in like an emotional way, I mean become a better writer. I'm always striving to try improve my craft and that is what helps with the self-conscious dread the most for me. What was the criticism? All right, I'll give them what they want and write a bunch of short stories focusing on that, whether it be descriptions, or dialogue or fight scenes, if I'm weak at something then the easiest answer is to get better at the. It helps that I've been writing short stories for a good few years now, so I always have older stuff to look at and go, "jeez this was bad" Similarly, I occasionally look a ta story and go "I used to be so good at imagery :/" and then I use that to spur me to get better again.

It's easy to look back, and you should. It's good to know where you've been, but ultimately we should always strive to move forward. That's why I'm going to put another story on that convenient site. Just... you know... not right now.
 

Mr-Joker

Banned
So after a bit of pre-planing I have finally made a start on my new project and so far I am really enjoying it, it just feels relaxing not having worry about the pressure of getting book one right as my new project is just one book and not a series.

Plus it will be a great way to build up experience in the writing and publishing process.

Printed out my entire manuscript to send to Penguin since they take unsolicited fantasy/sci-fi.

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Sending this bad boy out tomorrow.

That's a whole lot of papers. :O

But yeah congrats on finishing your book and good luck with Penguin.

Does anyone ever actually lose inspiration by looking at or reading other's people's creative work? Sometimes I'm writing and I see what other people have made and I can't help but think that it's all been done before, and that my work is just a tiny light amidst a cosmos of brilliant stars.

Not really.

Though I tend to lose focus as I keep coming up with new story all the time and just spend time trying to note them down in my note book so I don't forget them and free up my brain to focus on my current project.

Other times I end up abandoning ideas or merge stories together due to them being similar. I have also abandoned stories due to them feeling missing an ending or getting pass the initial storyboard process.
 
So the first draft of this book is almost done. I just need to edit the first like fifty pages for style shift and slap THE END at the bottom.

I went with a downer ending. I was aiming for bitter sweet, but i don't think I hit it.

SPOILER LAST PARAGRAPH BELOW!

BP6 laughed again. This was good. This was what it was all about. Toyland was now a burning sea, and there was so much smoke in the air he could no longer see the florescent sky, but he was with his friends, and that made it worthwhile. He was happy.
“You know,” he said to everyone. “Toyland is fucking stupid, but I’m glad we got to be alive. I’m glad we got to see it.”
No one said anything as the fire burned around them.

I hope that it tonally fits, but tonally this book is a nightmare :p Editing is going to suck so hard.
 

Mike M

Nick N
Dear Mike,

Thank you very much for letting us read "Drums of the Trireme". I enjoyed it, and have passed it up to the editors for review.

Thanks again, and best of luck!

Kind regards,

Scott
Associate Editor
Pseudopod
http://pseudopod.org

New personal best not getting rejected at the first level.
 

FlowersisBritish

fleurs n'est pas britannique
New personal best not getting rejected at the first level.

Wishing you the best of luck! You're one of my favorites to read in the writing challenges and honestly seeing you not have luck is so disheartening because then that means {i]I[/i] won't have luck... Again, cheers, if it's the story I think it is then Pseudopod is a good place for it.
 
Draft one of Toyland is done at 74,385 words!

What a fucking strange ride this one was. It's a mess, but it's a fun mess, which I think is important. Will be putting it away for a month and a half and then coming back for edits in maybe January? Depends on how well the video game project is going.

Shortest novel I've written by about 10k words. First novel I've written to really jump perspectives. Wound up not killing a few characters I thought would die like three pages after they showed up.

Writing is silly.
 
Anybody have any experience writing or reading agender characters? I want the protagonist of something I'm planning to be agender with a third person narrative. I'm personally fine with sticking to they/them or making up a unique pronoun and was planning as such before digging deeper but it seems from everything I read about the subject, that grates on the reader and I've heard to just sick with either "him" or "her" throughout the narrative while making sure the reader understands that the character themselves doesn't subscribe to a particular gender binary. I really want to hear from other writeGAFers on the subject.
 

Sibylus

Banned
I haven't written agender characters, but I'm within the larger queer community so I can pass on what I've learned:

  • What would this character's preference be? Bigender could be a cycling between him/her, agender could be they/them, genderqueer could be a new pronoun, but it really depends on self-expression and cultural context.
  • Don't compromise on who this character is for sake of dumbing it down for your hypothetical audience.
  • Narrator/authorial voice using derogatory pronouns = big no-no. You can write adversarial characters, but if the narrator/author voice is seemingly endorsing that discrimination... hold onto your ass.
  • Consult agender persons to get their insights. This is the most important step of real-world research you could possibly perform.
 

FlowersisBritish

fleurs n'est pas britannique
So I once wrote a short story with a gender neutral robot cast and let me tell you, it was a mess. Mostly because when everyone is "they" it becomes very hard to tell who is who within the narration. I ended up gendering the robots for readability's sake, but I did learn some good lessons.

I think the big one you should take away is that proper nouns are your friends here. The problem with "they" is that most people have it hard wired as plural in their brains before a gender neutral term. So what that means is that when it's your character alone in a room, its no problem. "They went to the window" has no confusion. Put another character in the room and same sentence will probably be read as both going to the window even if its just your one character. That's where proper nouns become your friend. Here's a brief example.

Gina sat alone in the room, twirling their blue bangs as they waited for Melisa to come home. After a few minutes, they saw Melisa come in, a bag of groceries hooked around her arm. They went to the counter and helped put the food away. After some brief conversation, they went to the open window while Melisa a cigarette.

So Gina is the subject of every sentence here, she is the only one to act, but besides the first sentence where they're alone in the room, it can get a little confusing. That's why proper nouns are great, and honestly writers don't use enough of them in general. There is a fear of being specific that can lead to confusions in any type of character casts whether they be all "he/she/they/ze" or any combination.

Gina sat alone in the room, twirling their blue bangs as they waited for Melisa to come home. After a few minutes, they saw Melisa come in, a bag of groceries around her arm. Gina went to the counter and helped put the food away. After some brief conversation, Gina went to the window while Melisa had a cigarette.

Obvious subject of opinion, but I think this second paragraph reads better while still keeping the pronouns straight. That's the best advice I have for you.
 

aidan

Hugo Award Winning Author and Editor
New personal best not getting rejected at the first level.

Awesome! Escape Artists (the publisher for Psuedopod) gave me my first break (which I linked to above.) Would be great to see another gaffer break through with them.
 
I haven't written agender characters, but I'm within the larger queer community so I can pass on what I've learned:

  • What would this character's preference be? Bigender could be a cycling between him/her, agender could be they/them, genderqueer could be a new pronoun, but it really depends on self-expression and cultural context.
  • Don't compromise on who this character is for sake of dumbing it down for your hypothetical audience.
  • Narrator/authorial voice using derogatory pronouns = big no-no. You can write adversarial characters, but if the narrator/author voice is seemingly endorsing that discrimination... hold onto your ass.
  • Consult agender persons to get their insights. This is the most important step of real-world research you could possibly perform.

So I once wrote a short story with a gender neutral robot cast and let me tell you, it was a mess. Mostly because when everyone is "they" it becomes very hard to tell who is who within the narration. I ended up gendering the robots for readability's sake, but I did learn some good lessons.

I think the big one you should take away is that proper nouns are your friends here. The problem with "they" is that most people have it hard wired as plural in their brains before a gender neutral term. So what that means is that when it's your character alone in a room, its no problem. "They went to the window" has no confusion. Put another character in the room and same sentence will probably be read as both going to the window even if its just your one character. That's where proper nouns become your friend. Here's a brief example.



So Gina is the subject of every sentence here, she is the only one to act, but besides the first sentence where they're alone in the room, it can get a little confusing. That's why proper nouns are great, and honestly writers don't use enough of them in general. There is a fear of being specific that can lead to confusions in any type of character casts whether they be all "he/she/they/ze" or any combination.



Obvious subject of opinion, but I think this second paragraph reads better while still keeping the pronouns straight. That's the best advice I have for you.


Thank you! I'll definitely be applying this info.
 

Enduin

No bald cap? Lies!
So I've had the same couple story ideas stuck in my head for years now, like 6+ sadly. Problem is I just don't like writing, at least not in the traditional book sense as much as I've tried. I get too caught up in the minor details and overwhelmed by the massive scale of my own imagination, but the thing is I like the minor details and massive scale and falling down that rabbit hole of "why." That's what got me interested in all this in the first place. So while I still would like to one day write the works I've been bouncing around for years I have for a little while now thought up an alternative outlet that may better suit my particular strengths and interests. Possibly even resulting in something tangible and presentable to the public. That alternative is I guess what you'd classify as non-linear storytelling, or rather world building. OK really it's just wikia, but hopefully a good one.

I think it's safe to say we've all been down the Wikipedia/Wikia rabbit hole before. Even with books series I've never read or game series I've never played, or fully played, I've on more than a few occasions stumbled onto their various official or super fan wikias and been lost for hours going from one page to another. Following that hyperlink breadcrumb trail from one article to the next. So my basic idea is to write original work specifically to feed that impulse many of us have. And to eventually build off that with more meatier content should it prove successful.

The benefit of tossing the same couple of stories, and more importantly the shared setting they're all in, around your head for the better part of half a decade is you come up with a lot stuff. Much I've written down, much more I just have rolling around the noggin in an ever evolving and shifting soup. I have begun to craft the wiki using Tiddlywiki, but it's a lot of work. Hardest part is just committing to certain aspects and ideas so I can lay the foundation and build on it from there. All the wikis I know have the benefit of actual completed source material to copy from and have many contributors adding and filling out the various entries. Right now it's just me making shit up and trying to keep track of all the various threads. But I like it. I like the discovery of it all and coming up with all sorts of historical events, cultural and regional traditions and so on. I watch documentaries and listen to history podcasts and mind my just starts thinking how cool this or that is and what if it was like this and how would that affect that and where would it fit into my world.

Anyway, to get the actual point of this whole post. First I guess I'd just like to hear people's thoughts on the whole idea. Questions, suggestions, resources, examples if they exist. And secondly, possibly more importantly, if any writers on here would be interested in collaborating on such a project, and/or know of other places to seek out collaborators. I'm fine if this just remains some hobby of mine. Something I do to indulge myself, but I would certainly like for it become more. However unlikely that is and to do so I think that almost definitely means getting assistance.

I have a big imagination and am constantly trying to learn more to better fuel that, but that in and of itself is a rather slow and time consuming process, and I don't exactly fancy myself a master world builder like Tolkien or Pratchett. Not that even they, or anyone really, created their grand works in a short period. Creating an entire universe with a couple millennia of history, cultures, places, people and so forth isn't exactly a small task for one person. Especially if I don't want to take another half a decade to come up with just the ground floor for it all. Even then, just having someone to bounce ideas off of is incredibly helpful. And I know I work far far better when I'm not just answering to myself.

It's quite late and this post is already long enough so I won't try to summarize my actual setting, which is kind of glaring omission, but that would take a good amount of time and effort to encapsulate, so I'll wait till tomorrow and on any interest this generates to tackle that.
 
New personal best not getting rejected at the first level.
That's awesome. Congratulations.


Can I rant about something here? It's writing-related.
Both my parents asked to read a book I wrote last September. My mom, over a full year later, is halfway through; her reason is that she's "not a reader." My dad is about 30 pages in (and this book is not small--30 pages isn't much).
So how interested are they in the book, really? 😕
 

zulux21

Member
That's awesome. Congratulations.


Can I rant about something here? It's writing-related.
Both my parents asked to read a book I wrote last September. My mom, over a full year later, is halfway through; her reason is that she's "not a reader." My dad is about 30 pages in (and this book is not small--30 pages isn't much).
So how interested are they in the book, really? ��

I have the same issue with my wife. she talks about how she likes my story and wants to see where it goes...

but she has only read like 40% of it at this point.

in other thoughts.... I wonder how long I can continue to write cringe worthy stuff like
"“Why hello there. It is nice to meet you. My name is Mel and I am sure that I soon will Mel-t your hearts with my Mel-aculous humor.”"

before I want to just kill off the character :p


edit:
So I am curious. at about what speed do you guys write?

it seems like over 4-6 hour chunks I average around 25-30 WPM. (and that is including the time I spend not writing during that time that I instead am reading something else or typing up stuff in forums like the earlier part of this post :p)

I also know in shorter chunks (we are talking a few minutes) I can reach around 100WPM while writing my story. I've never timed it well though as usually that is when I am in a groove and know exactly what I need to say. just situations where I was at like 4k words and then got into something and a few minutes later I was at 4.5k :p
 
That's awesome. Congratulations.


Can I rant about something here? It's writing-related.
Both my parents asked to read a book I wrote last September. My mom, over a full year later, is halfway through; her reason is that she's "not a reader." My dad is about 30 pages in (and this book is not small--30 pages isn't much).
So how interested are they in the book, really? 😕

I'll do you one better. My wife typically ate through 20+ books per year. She wanted to read mine after it was published. I broke her. She basically stopped reading for about 8-9 months altogether. She finally got back into it and is about 80% through my book. She keeps telling me "it's good, but fantasy just isn't my thing" which is true. This might be the first true fantasy she's ever read.

That being said, I'm a little sad that she basically doesn't like it and that she stopped reading for so long after she had started.
 
Can I rant about something here? It's writing-related.
Both my parents asked to read a book I wrote last September. My mom, over a full year later, is halfway through; her reason is that she's "not a reader." My dad is about 30 pages in (and this book is not small--30 pages isn't much).
So how interested are they in the book, really? 😕
Been there with friends. One stopped after chapter two because it made him realize he never gets any of his own projects done and he sucks and [insert depression here]. Which isn't useful feedback when you're worried about chapter six >:[

My dad, bless his heart, tried my high fantasy book and got maybe six pages in. He hates fantasy, so I appreciate the effort :p

So I am curious. at about what speed do you guys write?

it seems like over 4-6 hour chunks I average around 25-30 WPM. (and that is including the time I spend not writing during that time that I instead am reading something else or typing up stuff in forums like the earlier part of this post :p)
I tend to aim for around a thousand words in an hour to hour and a half. Kinda depends on what needs to be done.

Which is funny because my typing speed is around 120 a minute.
 
The way I look at a partner being involved is that it isn't about reading your work and providing feedback. This is lucky because my wife flat out sucks at it "it was nice... but I don't know, I didn't really get it".

Instead focus on their general support, doing house stuff while you write, taking the kids out to keep things quiet, putting up with moods while you struggle with bits and pieces of the work and so on. That is far more important in the big scheme of things and something you cannot get from someone else.
 
hey guys im researching writing and creative writing at the moment and was wondering if you could help me fiind the name for a few tropes in story telling. The first being about character development.

1) If i have a character in a story who was once in a lead role and massive fan favorite, but in a sequal book, they took on a side role and was constantly teased throughout the second story as coming back but never does until the end of the second book. What is this process called?

for example, - previous favorite character who had a lead in the first book shows up in the second story, fans get excited that they might be returning in a lead role and then the favorite doesnt and falls back into that side role, leaving fans disapointed and believing the character has been written off. This happens multiple times throughout the story until the favoritte character finally returns fully with a massive impact in the final chapters of the second book.

is this called bait and switch? or does it have another name.

thanks gaf.
 

Mike M

Nick N
hey guys im researching writing and creative writing at the moment and was wondering if you could help me fiind the name for a few tropes in story telling. The first being about character development.

1) If i have a character in a story who was once in a lead role and massive fan favorite, but in a sequal book, they took on a side role and was constantly teased throughout the second story as coming back but never does until the end of the second book. What is this process called?

for example, - previous favorite character who had a lead in the first book shows up in the second story, fans get excited that they might be returning in a lead role and then the favorite doesnt and falls back into that side role, leaving fans disapointed and believing the character has been written off. This happens multiple times throughout the story until the favoritte character finally returns fully with a massive impact in the final chapters of the second book.

is this called bait and switch? or does it have another name.

thanks gaf.

Decoy Protagonist?
 

zulux21

Member
hey guys im researching writing and creative writing at the moment and was wondering if you could help me fiind the name for a few tropes in story telling. The first being about character development.

1) If i have a character in a story who was once in a lead role and massive fan favorite, but in a sequal book, they took on a side role and was constantly teased throughout the second story as coming back but never does until the end of the second book. What is this process called?

for example, - previous favorite character who had a lead in the first book shows up in the second story, fans get excited that they might be returning in a lead role and then the favorite doesnt and falls back into that side role, leaving fans disapointed and believing the character has been written off. This happens multiple times throughout the story until the favoritte character finally returns fully with a massive impact in the final chapters of the second book.

is this called bait and switch? or does it have another name.

thanks gaf.
(recent movie spoiler that I can't even say what movie it is because that would be a spoiler given context lol)
star wars episode 7 :p?

well not exactly but still.

I am more curious, why are you worried about what a trope is called?
 
maybe trope is the wrong word. i guess im just after the name of this process when writing a story. if i had to explain the above scenario to someone or was making a story plan. what would you call it?

At one point i thought it was a form of forshadowing. Now im thinking its a story form of bait and switch.
 

BorkBork

The Legend of BorkBork: BorkBorkity Borking
Thanks, that was encouraging in the face of a slew of rejections. But that's pretty standard :)

I have another thing in the works with a great magazine, but it's been in progress for a looong time. I won't believe it until I have the issue in my hand.

Sooo....I have the issue in my hand.

orion-2016-double-cover.png


They gave me the spot for the Coda section. Still feels surreal.
 

zulux21

Member
gah... I hate it when things are going along well and then suddenly you have a "uh... what in the hell am I doing... where is this leading... what is next... crap..."

moment >.<:
 
gah... I hate it when things are going along well and then suddenly you have a "uh... what in the hell am I doing... where is this leading... what is next... crap..."

moment >.<:

If you don't know where you are going, then you can't be sure you don't know where are you are going. Best to just ignore yourself.
 
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