Wut...Saudi Arabia to raze Prophet Mohammed’s tomb

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Dumbass makes cartoons: Go batshit insane

Bulldoze his grave instead.....

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The key Islamic heritage site, including Prophet Mohammed’s shrine, is to be bulldozed, as Saudi Arabia plans a $6 billion expansion of Medina’s holy Masjid an-Nabawi Mosque. However, Muslims remain silent on the possible destruction.

­Work on the Masjid an-Nabawi in Medina, is planned to start as soon as the annual Hajj pilgrimage comes to a close at the end of November.

“After the Hajj this year, in one months’ time, the bulldozers will move in and will start to demolish the last part of Mecca, the grand mosque which is at least 1,000 years old,” Dr. Irfan Alawi of the Islamic Heritage Research Foundation, told RT.

After the reconstruction, the mosque is expected to become the world’s largest building, with a capacity for 1.6 million people.

And while the need to expand does exist as more pilgrims are flocking to holy sites every year, nothing has been said on how the project will affect the surroundings of the mosque, also historic sites.

Concerns are growing that the expansion of Masjid an-Nabawi will come at the price of three of the world’s oldest mosques nearby, which hold the tombs of Prophet Mohammed and two of his closest companions, Abu Bakr and Umar. The expansion project which will cost 25 billion SAR (more than US $6 billion) reportedly requires razing holy sites, as old as the seventh century.

The Saudis insist that colossal expansion of both Mecca and Medina is essential to make a way for the growing numbers of pilgrims. Both Mecca and Medina host 12 million visiting pilgrims each year and this number is expected to increase to 17 million by 2025.

Authorities and hotel developers are working hard to keep pace, however, the expansions have cost the oldest cities their historical surroundings as sky scrapers, luxury hotels and shopping malls are being erected amongst Islamic heritage.

A room in a hotel or apartment in a historic area may cost up to $ 500 per night. And that’s all in or near Mecca, a place where the Prophet Mohammed insisted all Muslims would be equal.

“They just want to make a lot of money from the super-rich elite pilgrims, but for the poor pilgrims it is getting very expensive and they cannot afford it,” Dr. Irfan Al Alawi said.

Jabal Omar complex – a 40 tower ensemble – is being depicted as a new pearl of Mecca. When complete, it will consist of six five star hotels, seven 39 storey residential towers offering 520 restaurants, 4, 360 commercial and retail shops.

But to build this tourist attraction the Saudi authorities destroyed the Ottoman era Ajyad Fortress and the hill it stood on.

The Washington-based Gulf Institute estimated that 95 percent of sacred sites and shrines in the two cities have been destroyed in the past twenty years.The Prophet’s birthplace was turned into a library and the house of his first wife, Khadijah, was replaced with a public toilet block.

Also the expansion and development might threaten many locals homes, but so far most Muslims have remained silent on the issue.

“Mecca is a holy sanctuary as stated in the Quran it is no ordinary city. The Muslims remain silent against the Saudi Wahhabi destruction because they fear they will not be allowed to visit the Kingdom again,” said Dr. Al Alawi.

The fact that there is no reaction on possible destruction has raised talks about hypocrisy because Muslims are turning a blind eye to that their faith people are going to ruin sacred sites.

“Some of the Sunni channels based in the United Kingdom are influenced by Saudi petro dollars and dare not to speak against the destruction, but yet are one of the first to condemn the movie made by non Muslims,” Dr. Al Alawi said.

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Another source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ke-a-bulldozer-to-islams-history-8228795.html
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As far as I know, this is their policy. These aren't sacred sites, because it promotes idolatry.

Muhammad nor Khadijah are Allah.
 
I thought I vaguely read somewhere that Islam is not big on icon/object worship, in fact it's one of the reasons why depictions of Mohammed are forbidden (no iconography allowed).

So, in fact, the idea that no one would be upset about this might be pretty consistent.

But I'll let a Muslim explain.
 
Medina in the 1900's:

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Now, 2012:

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Let's Vatican this bitch up now

Fucking Malls, yeah the Prophet wanted you to get that 10% discount on Ithar, live on the 51st floor of the highrise and look down upon the peasants as they pray
 
Ok so some background, the hardcore Salafi/Wahabis that dominate Saudi Arabia have a pretty psychotic hatred of anything that even faintly resembles idolatry (which is why the Taliban blew up those Buddha statutes all those years). That includes any veneration of even the Prophet Muhammad and that's how they justify bulldozing the Prophet's grave.

Does this make ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE given how other Muslims go apeshit when someone in the West even draws a cartoon of the Prophet? Well yeah, but errybody in the world is dancing to a Saudi tune because of the oil so there you go.

Also as a bonus for the Salafi/Wahhabis, this is like the ultimate troll to Shias who deeply deeply DEEPLY venerate not only the Prophet but also his entire family. Shias and Wahhabis HATE each other. Hell it hurts Sufis very badly too as Sufis have a tradition of venerating Sufi Saints and their tombs. Salafi/Wahhabis don't really believe in a tolerant live and let live approach to things either.

The idea that you're not supposed to have gravestones or anything like that in Islam s an incredibly extreme niche view on par with the idea (of some muslims) that photographs of humans aren't allowed (because you could WORSHIP IT). It's only started to spread over the last few decades because of the frankly ridiculous amount of money that Saudis have because of oil.
 
GraveRobberX said:
Mecca in the 1900's:

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Now, 2012:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/axMwY.jpg[IMG]

Let's Vatican this bitch up now

Fucking Malls, yeah the Prophet wanted you to get that 10% discount on Ithar, live on the 51st floor of the highrise and look down upon the peasants as they pray[/QUOTE]

Picture in OP is of Medina where the Mosque in question is.
For Mecca today, see [URL="http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=497812"]this thread[/URL]

Also, shinobi, in the future, no Russia Today. It's a banned site.
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gofreak said:
I thought I vaguely read somewhere that Islam is not big on icon/object worship, in fact it's one of the reasons why depictions of Mohammed are forbidden (no iconography allowed).

So, in fact, the idea that no one would be upset about this might be pretty consistent.

But I'll let a Muslim explain.
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Yeah just extreme veneration borderlining on icon/object worship. They way the venerate the prophet and the qu'ran for example. I don't see how respecting a true piece of history would be any different from the type of care and respect they extend to other things.
 
Azih said:
Does this make ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE given how other Muslims go apeshit when someone in the West even draws a cartoon of the Prophet? Well yeah, but errybody in the world is dancing to a Saudi tune because of the oil so there you go.
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GraveRobberX said:
I wonder how Muslims allow this yet contradict themselves on the West approach
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It makes sense because both fall under "idolotry" but in different ways.

Also, this is nothing new. The Wahabis have been destroying things for hundreds of years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_early_Islamic_heritage_sites#Destroyed_sites
 
This is horrible. Whether the sites are protected by a "holy" status or not is irrelevant, these buildings are over a thousand years old and that alone should be reason to preserve them.
 
heyf00L said:
It makes sense because both fall under "idolotry" but in different ways.
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That view doesn't work as the cartoon protesters are hardly angry because people might start worshiping the Western cartoons (hah), they're angry that the cartoons 'disrespected' the Prophet. Where are all the 'We love our Prophet' signs now that his (let me put some emphasis here) GRAVE IS BEING BULLDOZED.
 
Azih said:
That view doesn't work as the cartoon protesters are hardly angry because people might start worshiping the Western cartoons (hah), they're angry that the cartoons 'disrespected' the Prophet. Where are all the 'We love our Prophet' signs now that his (let me put some emphasis here) GRAVE IS BEING BULLDOZED.
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Most muslims don't even know about it. That is the problem here. We have to raise awareness about it.
 
Why is it that all these Muslim buildings and designs look pure evil to me? is it just because I've been raised an white american and the media has conditioned me to see middle eastern design as evil, or is there something wrong with me on a aesthetic level, or do Muslims share this view as well?
 
Pagusas said:
Why is it that all these Muslim buildings and designs look pure evil to me? is it just because I've been raised an white american and the media has conditioned me to see middle eastern design as evil, or is there something wrong with me on a aesthetic level, or do Muslims share this view as well?
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Really? I think Islamic architecture is quite beautiful.

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Looks stunning.
 
Azih said:
That view doesn't work as the cartoon protesters are hardly angry because people might start worshiping the Western cartoons (hah), they're angry that the cartoons 'disrespected' the Prophet. Where are all the 'We love our Prophet' signs now that his (let me put some emphasis here) GRAVE IS BEING BULLDOZED.
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its so fucking stupid. i think its one, like the article said, people are afraid to say something in fear of not being allowed in / something happening to them once theyre there and another that muslims just dont know this is happening.

its been so damn frustrating being a muslim these past years. fuck saudi arabia and their entire family
 
Pagusas said:
Why is it that all these Muslim buildings and designs look pure evil to me? is it just because I've been raised an white american and the media has conditioned me to see middle eastern design as evil, or is there something wrong with me on a aesthetic level, or do Muslims share this view as well?
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i think it's beautiful. cannot relate at all.
 
Pagusas said:
Why is it that all these Muslim buildings and designs look pure evil to me? is it just because I've been raised an white american and the media has conditioned me to see middle eastern design as evil, or is there something wrong with me on a aesthetic level, or do Muslims share this view as well?
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Whaoh man, it's just domes and minarets.
 
Pagusas said:
Why is it that all these Muslim buildings and designs look pure evil to me? is it just because I've been raised an white american and the media has conditioned me to see middle eastern design as evil, or is there something wrong with me on a aesthetic level, or do Muslims share this view as well?
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What ?
 
Oh, this'll go swimmingly. I wonder if the other muslims will rise up against the saudis.

Pagusas said:
Why is it that all these Muslim buildings and designs look pure evil to me? is it just because I've been raised an white american and the media has conditioned me to see middle eastern design as evil, or is there something wrong with me on a aesthetic level, or do Muslims share this view as well?
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Middle Eastern design has nothing 'evil' about it. Go get your head checked.
 
gofreak said:
I thought I vaguely read somewhere that Islam is not big on icon/object worship, in fact it's one of the reasons why depictions of Mohammed are forbidden (no iconography allowed).

So, in fact, the idea that no one would be upset about this might be pretty consistent.

But I'll let a Muslim explain.
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Yesterday a thread was brought up with a mention of historical Islamic landmarks being destroyed. I was pretty disappointed reading that, so I it this up with my brother who's been to Saudi Arabia and asked him for his opinion. He wasn't surprised since people often revered and almost worshiped those places, which is one of the key reasons why they're being removed.

In addition to that, these landmarks are being destroyed for more 'important' things, such as accommodation for pilgrims. I'm all for more accommodation for pilgrims, but surely they could find insignificant land to develop on?

About this particular redevelopment:
Construction work on the Masjid an-Nabawi in Madinah, where the Prophet Mohammed is buried, is due to start next month. Under the proposed plans the site will be developed to include a mosque with a capacity for 1.6m worshippers, The Independent newspaper said.
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Pagusas said:
Why is it that all these Muslim buildings and designs look pure evil to me? is it just because I've been raised an white american and the media has conditioned me to see middle eastern design as evil, or is there something wrong with me on a aesthetic level, or do Muslims share this view as well?
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I dunno, the Taj Mahal seems to be popular with westerners
 
It's not gaining traction because the article is inaccurate. The burial sites of Mohammad, Abi Bakr, and Omar are INSIDE the masjid al-nabawi. They're close to where the Imam leads the prayers. That area will be untouched. The tombs aren't located in "nearby historical mosques".
 
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