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[MrPressStart]

I thought it was one of their better pay per views in while!
Not sure about Ambrose as a champ with limited moves.. but he is great on the mic!

Jericho is sooo smug. I love it!

AJ styles is the man!

Seth Rollins in the man!

 

[Ithil]

Arena crowds loved D-Bry and Punk but the ratings sure didn't.

They both had much better ratings than RAW gets now, especially Bryan.

 

[wild wild rice]

Huh. People seem to enjoy that last match. I found it incredibly boring, ended up browsing the internet on my phone, looked up and saw Dean holding the belt. Maybe it would have mattered more to me if I watched back in the day when Shield was a team.

Match was dull, outcome was predictable, what is there to like?

 

[Rockandrollclown]

Match was dull, outcome was predictable, what is there to like?

I thought the match was ok, but yeah, predictable. I don't understand why the WWE couldn't have kept its mouth shut. Until Raw of last week everyone was sure Owens was winning MitB. Then on Raw Ambrose said he was going to win and cash in the same night. I think once we heard that, we knew it wasn't bravado, its how it was going to play out. I'm happy for Ambrose though.

 

[Sephzilla]

The Roman/Seth match was honestly a snoozefest until the last 5 minutes or so. I was legit nodding off. But man, those last 5 minutes were exciting as fuck. AJ/Cena probably match of the night.

 

[Kurita]

I don't get the "Well Ambrose said on RAW he could win and cash in, so it was predictable" complaints
You want him to say "Well, don't mind me cause I'm going to lose the MITB so whatever"?
I guess every time a wrestler says he's going to win a match it's a spoiler

 

[Sephzilla]

Yeah I can't wrap my head around how people thought Roman losing, pretty cleanly, followed by Dean immediately cashing in was predictable.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

It was totally unpredictable as not only was ambrose the last man standing the raw before (which normally means he would lose), everyone thought that was for a summerslam triple threat.

I mean, yes they teased that exact finish, but everyone's reaction was "yeah right", which no doubt is what wwf was going for.

It was a great finish imo. I'm still shocked seth went over clean.

They both had much better ratings than RAW gets now, especially Bryan.

Plus neither were exactly booked great. Bryan especially, he went into that godawful kane feud

 

[kirblar]

Yeah I can't wrap my head around how people thought Roman losing, pretty cleanly, followed by Dean immediately cashing in was predictable.

It was once you figured out Dean was winning and the briefcase had to be burned before brand split.

 

[wild wild rice]

Yeah I can't wrap my head around how people thought Roman losing, pretty cleanly, followed by Dean immediately cashing in was predictable.

I think there were a few people here on GAF predicting exactly that, minus the clean finish.

 

[The Elite]

I don't get the "Well Ambrose said on RAW he could win and cash in, so it was predictable" complaints
You want him to say "Well, don't mind me cause I'm going to lose the MITB so whatever"?
I guess every time a wrestler says he's going to win a match it's a spoiler

Yeah, I don't quite get that either. People claim they are going to win belts or cash in and it doesn't happen.

The safe bet was Reigns winning here. Seth was a nice surprise. I thought Ambrose might cash in but I also expected him to lose by shenanigans setting up Summerslam.

This didn't go down at all like I thought.

 

[espher]

Roman losing clean was the unpredicted part of that for me.

I expected a dirty finish and I wouldn't have been surprised if Dean's cash-in was spoiled by external actors (e.g. Seth, had he lost). Once Seth did win it, I actually thought Roman was going to interfere and prevent Dean from getting the win after cashing in, which also would have set up the Triple Threat and kept Rollins with the title he never lost.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

It was once you figured out Dean was winning and the briefcase had to be burned before brand split.

Not really, having a guy who can legit switch brands as an inbuilt storyline whenever the need arises would have been quite useful.

 

[LiQuid!]

Ambrose with the title is only "good" because it's anybody but Roman. Anybody excited to actually see the belt on him, have you watched ANY of his matches this year? Almost every single one of his PPV matches in 2016 has been a lowlight of the card.

 

[The Elite]

Ambrose with the title is only "good" because it's anybody but Roman. Anybody excited to actually see the belt on him, have you watched ANY of his matches this year? Almost every single one of his PPV matches in 2016 has been a lowlight of the card.

I was at Roadblock.

That match was fantastic. I know Triple H had a lot to do with that as well but Ambrose did good work there.

 

[Sephzilla]

Yeah I'm not super excited about Dean as champ because I'm not very high on him as a wrestler, but he's not Roman Reigns so it's still an upgrade. Plus it's nice having a face champ who's actually over

 

[thequestion]

Yeah I can't wrap my head around how people thought Roman losing, pretty cleanly, followed by Dean immediately cashing in was predictable.

Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised.

 

[kirblar]

Ambrose with the title is only "good" because it's anybody but Roman. Anybody excited to actually see the belt on him, have you watched ANY of his matches this year? Almost every single one of his PPV matches in 2016 has been a lowlight of the card.

This is wrong.

Dean's been the most over non-Cena guy foreeeever and the guy they needed to run w/ as the #2 babyface.

This was the audible they should have made at WM, having Dean "steal" Roman's spot in the championship match, doing Roman/Lesnar II, and avoiding those no-show house shows.

 

[Kurita]

Ambrose with the title is only "good" because it's anybody but Roman. Anybody excited to actually see the belt on him, have you watched ANY of his matches this year? Almost every single one of his PPV matches in 2016 has been a lowlight of the card.

But he's a lot more entertaining outside the ring than Roman Reigns and a lot of superstars in the roster. That's really important.

 

[Rockandrollclown]

I don't get the "Well Ambrose said on RAW he could win and cash in, so it was predictable" complaints
You want him to say "Well, don't mind me cause I'm going to lose the MITB so whatever"?
I guess every time a wrestler says he's going to win a match it's a spoiler

I can't explain exactly why, but the moment Ambrose said that on RAW it immediately made me think "yup, 100%, that is whats happening". As opposed to anyone else talking about how they were going to win. Without the Ambrose Asylum segment on RAW, this would have been surprising to me.

 

[Fantomex]

I don't mind Dean being champ at all. But a lot of folks don't want to admit it was anyone but Roman mentality that would have been over. Cesaro, Kevin Owens or even Del Rio winning would have been applauded.

 

[Sephzilla]

I don't mind Dean being champ at all. But a lot of folks don't want to admit it was anyone but Roman mentality that would have been over. Cesaro, Kevin Owens or even Del Rio winning would have been applauded.

Whoa now, let's not jump to conclusions here. Latin-no-heat actively drains excitement out of everything he does. I think people might actually root for Roman in that situation.

 

[njean777]

I don't mind Dean being champ at all. But a lot of folks don't want to admit it was anyone but Roman mentality that would have been over. Cesaro, Kevin Owens or even Del Rio winning would have been applauded.

I was with you until you said Del Rio... That would be terrible. But I am happy Dean finally won.

 

[The Elite]

Del Rio is a guy I really like. He looks the part of the champ but he's also completely bland. Worse than Reigns.

 

[Hidden One]

 

[wild wild rice]

How about that sunburn match? Pretty gross.

 

[LiQuid!]

But he's a lot more entertaining outside the ring than Roman Reigns and a lot of superstars in the roster. That's really important.

That's not exactly a high bar to set, but I guess. I've just grown more and more tired of Dean over the last couple months. Maybe this is a way to shake up the staleness. I think Dean's a nice guy but he's a marginal wrestler and he's been so one note in his promos.

 

[Glorified G]

A babyface where a significant portion of the crowd doesn't dislike is world champion. You have to go back to Daniel Bryan for the last time that happened.

Anyway I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of the reasons the main event was booked the way it was.

Wrestling Observer:

For WWE, the company averaged 3,900 in house show attendance and 9,000 in Raw attendance. Numbers last year were 5,600 in house shows and 8,400 for Raws, however if you take out comps the monthly average was 4,693. For this year, we won’t have the paid breakdown because of how the WWE has cut back on releasing information. The number will be available in about two months, but regular house shows appear to be down 30 percent from last year and Raws appear to up seven percent.

Numbers for both the Reigns and Ambrose tour ended up being roughly identical, both being right at 3,900, which indicates the value of the championship has never been less.

 

[Tom Nook]

Pretty shocking how the show ended.

Let's not watch the RAW show before the PPV, which gives RAW a low rating forcing them to change their plans for the PPV.

 

[TheFuzz]

Regardless of your opinion, the WWE has a "pure" face as champion so it's not a writing and booking nightmare now. That helps a lot, and the programming should benefit from it.

 

[Pupperbabysassy]

I thought this was a hot shot to generate interest because of Game of thrones and the NBA finals. The champion that was just crowned was obliterated by Brock Lesnar two months earlier.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

Del Rio seemed oddly popular tonight actually. There were a lot of "si" chants during the ladder match.

 

[Sephzilla]

Del Rio seemed oddly popular tonight actually. There were a lot of "si" chants during the ladder match.

Las Vegas is pretty close to southern California, which is the only area in the US where he's over.

 

[Chamber]

Credit to WWE for the fact that Roman has still never beaten Seth too. They can keep that for a little longer.

He pinned Seth clean on a random ass Raw a couple years ago but fine with me if WWE wants to render that non-canon. It's good for Roman to have a real rival he can't easily overcome and all the better that it's Seth.

Burning off the Shield triple threat at Summerslam makes me think they revert back to Roman vs Seth at Mania though.

 

[The Elite]

I thought this was a hot shot to generate interest because of Game of thrones and the NBA finals. The champion that was just crowned was obliterated by Brock Lesnar two months earlier.

And that was terrible booking. Dean shouldn't have won that match but he shouldn't have looked like a doormat losing that match either.

Like I mentioned before, his match against Triple H at Roadblock made him look great and they crushed that momentum at WM. The feud with Jericho was meant to rehabilitate his status but it had mixed results. I liked some of that Asylum match but it went on far too long. Dean seems to be the victim of bad choices at times.

 

[JLynn]

Wait, people didn't like Styles/Cena? It was a pure wrestling match. They didn't need the gimmicks like Reigns did to make both people look good.

For a match that was 99% inside the ring, it was pretty good.

EXACTLY. I thought it was good as well. Only gripe is the Anderson/Gallows interference but eh, it's WWE.

I thought MITB was ok. It's no MITB 2011 but then again I don't think we'll see anything equal to that anymore. And Ambrose winning the title? I heard that it was a last minute decision due to the Cavs winning the championship and Ambrose being from Cleveland, etc. I like Ambrose as he is good on the mic and has a bit of charisma (Which Reins lack as the IWC consistently proclaims). He's got the Hardcore cred as well as good mat skils. Isn't he what the IWC WANTED in a champ?

 

[The Elite]

Styles/Cena was really good and ended with the right amount of shenanigans to keep the feud going.

 

[UberTag]

EXACTLY. I thought it was good as well. Only gripe is the Anderson/Gallows interference but eh, it's WWE.

I thought MITB was ok. It's no MITB 2011 but then again I don't think we'll see anything equal to that anymore. And Ambrose winning the title? I heard that it was a last minute decision due to the Cavs winning the championship and Ambrose being from Cleveland, etc.

Ambrose isn't from Cleveland. He's from Cincinnati.
Cleveland's world champs are The Miz and Dolph Ziggler.

Additionally, this decision was clearly already made when the main event odds flipped at 2:26pm Eastern in the afternoon.

That one is off. There has been one big shift that happened after it was posted.

If you want to the odds they are here:

http://www.pwtorch.com/site/2016/06...s-u-s-las-vegas-betmakers-release-match-odds/

spoilers

My immediate reaction...

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if

Spoiler

Dean Ambrose is the WWE champion in 6 hours. Although this would be only temporarily until Roman wins the title back at Summerslam.

 

[cLOUDo]

Shield's Triple threat
Roman will be champ at sumerslam (if not before)

 

[Fantomex]

lol why? face

 

[BFIB]

Thoughts:

-Nice to see WWE try to rebuild Rusev, but the damage to this character is done. All of his heat is gone.
-MiTB was good, Del Rio looked amazing in the match. Terrific way to mitigate would could have been a really serious injury by landing feet first on the ropes. Guy is extremely underrated on his work.
-Owens pulling a Homer Simpson
-I'm sure Ambrose winning the title is due to the fact that Ambrose is going to be headed to Smackdown as the face of that brand. Make sense, and props to WWE booking for having the champ lose CLEAN. Means so much more for Rollins, and in turn Ambrose. Best booking in years on that end.
-AJ continues to be the MVP of the roster. Cena's first big match, traveled constantly all last week across China, it was inevitable he'd have some ring rust, and I liked that the match booking carried that in. Cena just looked like he was a step off, and I'm sure it was partly by design, partly from the booking of the match. Cena is by far the worst spot caller I've seen though. Everyone in the building can hear him call spots.

Overall, it was a great PPV. Better than WM in my book, because it didn't protect Reigns at all. Product is better for it when you have the champ lose clean, and it also gives Rollins some momentum.

 

[UberTag]

Sign suggestions for tonight's RAW...

"I can't see Cena but we can all hear him."
"# of days 'til Roman is champ again = 62"

 

[Dazzler]

With hindsight, the quick cash in made perfect sense, because how would the briefcase have worked with split brands?

 

[Sephzilla]

With hindsight, the quick cash in made perfect sense, because how would the briefcase have worked with split brands?

If they go with 2 world champs again (which for the record is the dumbest thing ever) the MITB contract could be viable against either of them

 

[Kuroyume]

How about that sunburn match? Pretty gross.

It was the best match. Breezango is entertaining as fuck. Breezango needs to fued with New Day and get those titles, Don't care about any other team in the division.

 

[thequestion]

With hindsight, the quick cash in made perfect sense, because how would the briefcase have worked with split brands?

When is the brand splitting? Is it going to be two very different products or just different talent rosters?

 

[GeeTeeCee]

I just caught up with it this afternoon, and all I want to say is that Dean Ambrose's "I'm so crazy, guys" facial expressions and general mannerisms remind me of a toddler that has just eaten something they don't like and wants everyone to know about it.

 

[BFIB]

When is the brand splitting? Is it going to be two very different products or just different talent rosters?

Two separate rosters, same plate of shit we've ate for years.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

EXACTLY. I thought it was good as well. Only gripe is the Anderson/Gallows interference but eh, it's WWE.

I thought MITB was ok. It's no MITB 2011 but then again I don't think we'll see anything equal to that anymore. And Ambrose winning the title? I heard that it was a last minute decision due to the Cavs winning the championship and Ambrose being from Cleveland, etc. I like Ambrose as he is good on the mic and has a bit of charisma (Which Reins lack as the IWC consistently proclaims). He's got the Hardcore cred as well as good mat skils. Isn't he what the IWC WANTED in a champ?

If you ever say "I heard..." and it's about pro wrestling, it's total horseshit.

 

[Chopper]

Just caught up.

I'm not the biggest Ambrose fan in the world, but I marked out for his win. He's worked so hard over the last year, and between his fake-out win over Rollins a while ago, and his work with HHH at Roadblock, he's really earned it. It's nice to have a champ that the crowd can really get behind.

I fell asleep during the MitB match, and just caught the ending, so I'll need to rewatch that. :/

And the Styles/Cena match was great until the ending. Would much rather have had Balor get involved rather than the Club. I thought that was the point of the two contracts thing. Silly.