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rcl66

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Ok so I bought a Mitsubishi HDTV CRT last year, and it turns out it doesn't do 720P. It does 480 i/p and 1080i. So current Xbox games that are 720 don't work (get a black screen). Anyone heard definitively if the 360 will convert 720P to 1080i, since my TV obviously doesn't do it? Would suck to have to play them at 480p?
 
rcl66 said:
Ok so I bought a Mitsubishi HDTV CRT last year, and it turns out it doesn't do 720P. It does 480 i/p and 1080i. So current Xbox games that are 720 don't work (get a black screen). Anyone heard definitively if the 360 will convert 720P to 1080i, since my TV obviously doesn't do it? Would suck to have to play them at 480p?
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You will have no problems with X360....it can down/upscale output video to all sorts of resolutions, even the weird ones like 1366 x 768 and 1024 x 1024 :)
 
Klee, You know how I'm looking at the 34XBR960 and the XS966.

If I get either one of these TVs, am I going to have the same problem with 720p Xbox games?
 
Kleegamefan said:
You will have no problems with X360....it can down/upscale output video to all sorts of resolutions, even the weird ones like 1366 x 768 and 1024 x 1024 :)
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I just hope it still looks good at 480i
 
Ecrofirt said:
Klee, You know how I'm looking at the 34XBR960 and the XS966.

If I get either one of these TVs, am I going to have the same problem with 720p Xbox games?
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No, you will just input whatever resolution you wish to be output from the X360 dashboard...set it once and forget it....
 
Ecrofirt said:
Klee, You know how I'm looking at the 34XBR960 and the XS966.

If I get either one of these TVs, am I going to have the same problem with 720p Xbox games?
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34XBR960 supports 720p and 1080i games. I have one and Amped 2 looks awesome on it :)
 
No, I meant the original Xbox.

So I guess I will have these problems with it, then? Can't the TV itself upscale the 720p image to 1080i?

edit: OK Sp3ed. I should be OK then if I get the 960. I'd imagine the 955 will work as well?

Thanks for the help with all of this. I'm really far behind when it comes to HD knowledge.
 
>>>So it will output games that are 720P into 1080i, since 720P is the standard/min required on 360?<<<

If you set it to 1080i in the dashboard, yes.
 
Sp3eD said:
34XBR960 supports 720p and 1080i games. I have one and Amped 2 looks awesome on it :)
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Yes the 960 accepts 720p signals, but it Upscales them to 1080i. The 960 cannot display 720p signals natively.
 
Rock. I too was early on the HDTV bandwagon and both of my Samsung HD sets only support 480 i/p and 1080 i. Hope this info turns out to be true.
 
oBa said:
Yes the 960 accepts 720p signals, but it Upscales them to 1080i. The 960 cannot display 720p signals natively.
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Barely any CRT TV's do. All I am saying that it WILL display it. Most CRT's just refuse to do anything with it.

It does stick it into fixed mode though. You can't change any sort of extra view on it like you can in 1080i.
 
Sp3eD said:
Barely any CRT TV's do. All I am saying that it WILL display it. Most CRT's just refuse to do anything with it.
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I understand, I just thought your first post needed additional clarification, as my friend called me right after your post and said "Whoa! 960 can display a native 720p signal?!?"
 
I hope the HD component pack that comes with the 360 has better shielding and cables than the current Xbox HD pack. That thing is too sensitive to any kind of interference.

Since we're sort of on the subject, can anyone help me with this:

I recently bought a new (manufacturing date 6/2005) Xbox, and when hooked up to my Westinghouse 27" LCD through the MS Xbox HD pack (the newer one with the built-in cables), I get clear "wavy" horizontal lines running through all my 720p games. It's most noticeable on the game text, which seems to wave and shimmer. This did not happen at all on my old Xbox using the exact same cable pack, and it only happens at the 720p setting. I've tried everything I know how to do (extending the cables away from the TV via component extensions, moving the power plug to a different outlet and using a grounding plug adapter), but it's still giving me the wavy image. I even exchanged the Xbox for another, but the problem remains. Sometimes it seems to settle down a little bit, but it always returns when I restart my Xbox. The fact that my old Xbox had no such problem is a bit mystifying.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be causing this interference or line shimmer, and how I can fix it? Any help would be most appreciated. This is a stock US Xbox.
 
the way 360 handles output resolutions is great, considering how numerous and confused hdtv standards are. i hope ps3 works the same way.
 
Eel O'Brian said:
I hope the HD component pack that comes with the 360 has better shielding and cables than the current Xbox HD pack. That thing is too sensitive to any kind of interference.

Since we're sort of on the subject, can anyone help me with this:

I recently bought a new (manufacturing date 6/2005) Xbox, and when hooked up to my Westinghouse 27" LCD through the MS Xbox HD pack (the newer one with the built-in cables), I get clear "wavy" horizontal lines running through all my 720p games. It's most noticeable on the game text, which seems to wave and shimmer. This did not happen at all on my old Xbox using the exact same cable pack, and it only happens at the 720p setting. I've tried everything I know how to do (extending the cables away from the TV via component extensions, moving the power plug to a different outlet and using a grounding plug adapter), but it's still giving me the wavy image. I even exchanged the Xbox for another, but the problem remains. Sometimes it seems to settle down a little bit, but it always returns when I restart my Xbox. The fact that my old Xbox had no such problem is a bit mystifying.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be causing this interference or line shimmer, and how I can fix it? Any help would be most appreciated. This is a stock US Xbox.
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My guess would be a lower quality TV encoder chip used in the latest Xbox systems. The first Xbox used a very good conexant chip, then after some time MS used some Focus brand chips and now they use yet another one.
 
So which will be a better option, having your 360 output at 720p and letting your television upconvert it to 1080i, or having your 360 upconvert it's 720p signal to 1080i? I guess it would depen on if the chip in your television is of higher quality than the chip in the 360, no?
 
drohne said:
the way 360 handles output resolutions is great, considering how numerous and confused hdtv standards are. i hope ps3 works the same way.
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It is, but it's still a question of how good the 360's scaler is. Some displays might do a better job of converting 720p (considering that most 360 titles will be 720p native) to their native resolution, rather than setting the 360 to output that resolution itself. Usually the device will do a better job than the display, but not always. We'll just have to wait and see.
 
DEO3 said:
So which will be a better option, having your 360 output at 720p and letting your television upconvert it to 1080i, or having your 360 upconvert it's 720p signal to 1080i? I guess it would depen on if the chip in your television is of higher quality than the chip in the 360, no?
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There might be less lag if you let the Xbox360 do the work.
 
Yeah, I would think that unless you have a high-zoot Silicon Optix HQV scaler, you are better off letting the X360 scaler do its thing since it is designed specifically for videogames..
 
vatstep said:
It is, but it's still a question of how good the 360's scaler is.
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Not if you stop and think about the guys who did the chip design for the puppy: little hint... it is a team who has in their resume something nice that we use to call M2, a kick-ass hardware that could have steam-rolled the competition had Matsushita shown some balls :(.

Ok, maybe it was too much for a hint ;).



See, that is why a hardware fan cannot avoid getting, if the budget allows it, to get Xbox 360, PLAYSTATION 3 and REVOLUTION (well REVOLUTION needs to excite me a bit more revealing its specs and all the features of the console, besides the controller... but yeah it should not be missed :)).

Xbox 360:

Ultra-custom CPU design (lockable and GPU accessible cache, VMX-128 and having three full blown cores has its appeals too).

Ultra-custom GPU design (MEMEXPORT feature, Unified Shaders, Geometry tessellator, custom DRAM daughter die with embedded Rasterization/frame-buffer/z-buffer/stencil-buffer logic, MSAA with FP render-targets thus with HDR rendering, support for scene tiling and hardware-assisted Z-buffer fill pass, etc...).

Big and fast 512 MB RAM block (although I am bigger fan of hybrid-UMA approaches or even more of logical UMA approaches as SOME hardware is using now and in the case of PLAYSTATION 3 it seems that it will too use it in the future).

Custom designed scaler chip by famous ex-Cagent/ex-M2/WebTV team (well solved the puzzle for ya ;)).

Custom designed and exclusive as well as interactive Visualizer software created by Jeff Minter (I am looking to see the work of the man behind Jaguar's VLM software).



Not bad, huh ?
 
Panajev2001a said:
Not if you stop and think about the guys who did the chip design for the puppy: little hint... it is a team who has in their resume something nice that we use to call M2, a kick-ass hardware that could have steam-rolled the competition had Matsushita shown some balls :(.

Ok, maybe it was too much for a hint ;).



See, that is why a hardware fan cannot avoid getting, if the budget allows it, to get Xbox 360, PLAYSTATION 3 and REVOLUTION (well REVOLUTION needs to excite me a bit more revealing its specs and all the features of the console, besides the controller... but yeah it should not be missed :)).

Xbox 360:

Ultra-custom CPU design (lockable and GPU accessible cache, VMX-128 and having three full blown cores has its appeals too).

Ultra-custom GPU design (MEMEXPORT feature, Unified Shaders, Geometry tessellator, custom DRAM daughter die with embedded Rasterization/frame-buffer/z-buffer/stencil-buffer logic, MSAA with FP render-targets thus with HDR rendering, support for scene tiling and hardware-assisted Z-buffer fill pass, etc...).

Big and fast 512 MB RAM block (although I am bigger fan of hybrid-UMA approaches or even more of logical UMA approaches as SOME hardware is using now and in the case of PLAYSTATION 3 it seems that it will too use it in the future).

Custom designed scaler chip by famous ex-Cagent/ex-M2/WebTV team (well solved the puzzle for ya ;)).

Custom designed and exclusive as well as interactive Visualizer software created by Jeff Minter (I am looking to see the work of the man behind Jaguar's VLM software).



Not bad, huh ?
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Dayamn! That post got me pretty excited. Also, I so remember the M2... I remember how we were led to believe it was also coming as an expansion to our 3DO's... we were all crazy about it back in the day. Can't believe Matsushita chickened out like that.
 
Panajev2001a said:
a kick-ass hardware that could have steam-rolled the competition had Matsushita shown some balls :(.

Not bad, huh ?
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Yeah, not bad. How about if I just steam-rolled your balls instead?
 
Mofo said:
Rock. I too was early on the HDTV bandwagon and both of my Samsung HD sets only support 480 i/p and 1080 i. Hope this info turns out to be true.
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I feel your pain. I bought my 48" Widescreen Mitsubishi in January 2003, manufacturing date of Sept. 2002. It only does 480i/480p/1080i. No DVI or HDMI either since those didn't show up for year and half or so later. I guess I'll also be putting off a PS3 purchase for a long time since I have no use for blu-ray since it won't be compatible with my TV.

It kind of sucks for those of us that dished out $2000-$2500 for a TV just a couple of years ago and now its obselete. I just now got mine paid off and there's no way in hell my wife is gonna let me go out and spend another 2-3k for a TV any time soon. I'm glad Xbox 360 has a scaler built into it. My HDTV cable box has an internal scaler and it converts ABC, FOX, and ESPN from 720p to 1080i and it all still looks incredibly gorgeous.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
I think he just really, really likes Panajev...that's all. At least, it sounded like it could be a come on...
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Hehe, he is a cool guy: he likes having fun on the forums :).

Else, if I did something that pissed him off when I am back in Tokyo I might be doing a nice dive from the top of a tall Mansion... ahem... :(.
 
Blimblim said:
My guess would be a lower quality TV encoder chip used in the latest Xbox systems. The first Xbox used a very good conexant chip, then after some time MS used some Focus brand chips and now they use yet another one.
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My 1.6 has an XCLAIBUR encoder, and it fucking sucks. Fable and Panzer Dragoon Orta wont run in 480p on it.
 
Blimblim said:
My guess would be a lower quality TV encoder chip used in the latest Xbox systems. The first Xbox used a very good conexant chip, then after some time MS used some Focus brand chips and now they use yet another one.
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The other chip is named excalibur. I have found it to have poor IQ when I compared to the early XBOX models. Also, on the 1.6v XBOX Panzer Dragoon Orta for me wont even run in 480p...thanks to the excalibur chip.

Edit: I wonder how much $$ MS saved by using such a shitty chip.
 
Interesting.. My Xbox is the third revision, i.e. the one that came out I believe late 2002 or early 2003... Any idea of what kind of scaler it has?
 
Shompola said:
Interesting.. My Xbox is the third revision, i.e. the one that came out I believe late 2002 or early 2003... Any idea of what kind of scaler it has?
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I'd say Focus, but it could be a conexant.
 
Thanks guys.. It seems it is a 1.2, atleast that is what the serial number and kernel code is telling me according to a table on the net.
 
rcl66 said:
Ok so I bought a Mitsubishi HDTV CRT last year, and it turns out it doesn't do 720P. It does 480 i/p and 1080i. So current Xbox games that are 720 don't work (get a black screen). Anyone heard definitively if the 360 will convert 720P to 1080i, since my TV obviously doesn't do it? Would suck to have to play them at 480p?
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That pisses me off, I have the same problem as you. Including the black 720p screen :/
 
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