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X360 running at 1/3 power?
- Thread starter Odysseus
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Outdoor Miner
Member
I wouldn't doubt it. Hasn't it been confirmed that the alpha kits have just a x800 for the gpu?
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
I am hoping they include the wall guy skin in PD0 Multiplayer just because of his cult status.
Odysseus said:
OK, on a more serious note. For any of you who work in the industry and know these things. Say they get the kits in July, how do they go about getting the full power in 4 months? Is there some sort of dev tool that allows you to quickly polish a mediocre looking game into something much better? From someone who doesn't know how the process works, it sounds like nothing short of magic could help some of these games.
Tortfeasor
Member
Dev systems always run slower than production hardware until the final hardware is 100% nailed down... And even then it takes a decent amount of time to fabricate parts to make full dev systems. In fact usually the hardware manufactures just ship high end PC systems and lable them as dev systems... It is what MS has done both in this and last gen.
The production system is running at 100%... just the dev systems that are running at less then full spec.
The production system is running at 100%... just the dev systems that are running at less then full spec.
super-heated plasma
Member
When I played The Outfit at Relic, they definitely did not have final dev kits to run it off of.
Hitler Stole My Potato
Banned
Striker and Velocity Girl confirmed said rumor.
"Too risky, I'd say. People would just spin that into "then how are the system and games supposed to be ready for launch in just a few months?"
Example: this thread."
Again...first Xbox..GPU wasn't ready until July and the Xbox launched in November...Christ am I the ONLY guy in here that was around last generation launch that actually remembers this stuff?
I even remember there was a report of possible shortage of systems at launch because production didn't get started till August/September. Damn...I can't believe I remember this crap.
Example: this thread."
Again...first Xbox..GPU wasn't ready until July and the Xbox launched in November...Christ am I the ONLY guy in here that was around last generation launch that actually remembers this stuff?
I even remember there was a report of possible shortage of systems at launch because production didn't get started till August/September. Damn...I can't believe I remember this crap.
newsguy said:
Again, I'm not in the biz, but how it works is simple. They simply shoot for the stated resolution and graphic quality regardless of how much the graphics stutter are or how bad it looks. As final dev-kits arrive (and with some, hopefully, minor tweaking) it should look pretty good. This is exactly how Xbox 1 launched...am I the only one that remembers how Halo was burned in effigy? Hell, their devkits had to emulate the 5.1 surround on the CPU becasue the devkits didn't have the MCP chip...stutter galore.
If thats 1/3 of the final power being displayed at E3 things will be on the up and up come July. They mention in the IGN article that Topspin 2 has framerate issues and such, well that certainly won't be the case when it's running at 100%. Sony fanboys were quick to jump on these Xbox games and a lack of visuals, well I see this all turning around quickly for MS. No wonder Itagaki hasn't worked his magic yet.
Well, Microsoft isn't. And the demo stations and developer kits ARE still running freaking G5s.Mashing said:
Honestly, I find MS' strategy (or lack thereof) absolutely baffling. I would not be demoing a damn thing on the floor at the show, and I sure as hell would have dropped a couple mil to produce some FMV for the press conference reel. Have they learnt nothing from being in the business with Sony for 5 years?
I completely agree that MS is retarded for letting this happen, they should have just run CG like sony did and the media wouldn't have run wild already with a lack of power for 360 compared to PS3. Give it a few more months once those final kits hit and 360 games will make a 180 in the other direction to next gen.
Well it isn't exactly the same thing as Xbox 1. On the first Xbox only Halo was the major framerate offender. Plenty of other things were running at a decent clip.
With X360 it seems like a much larger portion of the games are skipping. The only completely smooth games are DOA4 and PGR3 (and we haven't even seen PGR3 gameplay yet I don't believe).
With X360 it seems like a much larger portion of the games are skipping. The only completely smooth games are DOA4 and PGR3 (and we haven't even seen PGR3 gameplay yet I don't believe).
Suikoguy said:
...*sigh*
They are looking to run 360 demonstrations to the media. PLAYABLE demonstrations. These kits lack the complete CPU at proper speed as well as the R500 gpu (there is no ATI card on the market anywhere close to the R500's specs)
These games are not running with full shaders, polymodels, or max details. They can't...it's not possible at the systems current hardware. It's either run prerendered video of these games thus no playable demos...run the actual latest build code on the system creating a damn slideshow...or toss out crippled software so media can get hands on with the games.
Rhindle said:
Absolutely agreed. While i myself love this open policy (I love seeing games as they are created step by step) it's just asking for trouble. But if they had gone the rendered cg route they'd be facing scrutiny ala KillZone 2....but much worse since it's the "weaker" system.
TheJollyCorner
Member
I'm confused, so hopefully someone can clear this up for me:
so, the console launch is 6 months away (give or take)... and all they have to show off now is stuff that only uses 1/3 of X360's 1st gen, at the least, software?
so, the console launch is 6 months away (give or take)... and all they have to show off now is stuff that only uses 1/3 of X360's 1st gen, at the least, software?
3rdman said:
Tecmo was pissed enough to have all DOA 4 images removed from Gaming Age. I just think he would be pissed because this whole fiasco makes him look bad when you compare DOA and other 360 titles with the stuff PS3 showed. The press and many gaming sites already ran wild with PS3 stomps 360 and so on and so forth. Not only that but team ninja is known for rediculous graphics, and the stuff from DOA 4 has been quite underwhelming to many people.
Oh, and you said gears of war..............now if topspin 2 has anything near that or DOA 4 improves to that level I'll be a happy 360 owner on day 1.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Hehe, I guess then,
If Xbox 360 is currently using 1/3 of its power and looks about xbox quality graphics, if not a big better, then I guess we can assume that the Xbox 360 is only about 3 to 4 times more powerfull. :lol
See how pointless this is
If Xbox 360 is currently using 1/3 of its power and looks about xbox quality graphics, if not a big better, then I guess we can assume that the Xbox 360 is only about 3 to 4 times more powerfull. :lol
See how pointless this is
JayFro said:
Ah. I see what you mean. I'm not sure that theres anything you can do as the hardware simply doesn't exist yet. I have faith in ATI that they'll bring something really special...As disappointed as I've been with a lot of whats gone on so far, theres no doubt that the 360 will rock.
cubicle47b
Member
You build for the hardware that will be there. Something running at 15-20 fps now can be locked in at 60 with a little optimization. You can't build new art assets quickly at the end of a project but you might be able to add effects / hardware features which can make a huge difference.
I'm just a business application programmer, though...
