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xb360 without HD = no patching on live = rampant cheating
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Sysgen said:
What is obvious is that the bigger the storage space, the less the chance that somebody has to clean and reorganize just to get downloadable content or a patch. The Xbox drive is less than half the size of the 360 and I have never had to manage the files there.
The Faceless Master
Member
my point is 64MB may just not be big enough even for just patches!
Bottom line, this is going to fragment the hell out of the userbase playing games on Live.
Think about it. Let's take some random game that has downloadable vehicles and maps (think Crimson Skies).
So people with the HD download all the content. Someone with a memory card downloads maybe 3 vehicles and 2 maps because that's all he/she can fit on their memory card.
Now lets say there are 10 downloadable vehicles and 6 maps. For the people that have memory cards, the only games that are joinable are those using no more than the exact 3 vehicles and 2 maps they downloaded. So this, you would say, is punishment for not having the HD -- less games to join online.
But what does it mean for players WITH the HD? Well, since they've probably downloaded all the content, it means less players to join their games, i.e. longer wait times for a game to fill up. Or, alternatively, joining a server only to find out it's some guy with a memory card who has downloaded little to none of the new content, thereby making the fact that you have it useless.
Bottomline -- the consumer gets screwed.
Think about it. Let's take some random game that has downloadable vehicles and maps (think Crimson Skies).
So people with the HD download all the content. Someone with a memory card downloads maybe 3 vehicles and 2 maps because that's all he/she can fit on their memory card.
Now lets say there are 10 downloadable vehicles and 6 maps. For the people that have memory cards, the only games that are joinable are those using no more than the exact 3 vehicles and 2 maps they downloaded. So this, you would say, is punishment for not having the HD -- less games to join online.
But what does it mean for players WITH the HD? Well, since they've probably downloaded all the content, it means less players to join their games, i.e. longer wait times for a game to fill up. Or, alternatively, joining a server only to find out it's some guy with a memory card who has downloaded little to none of the new content, thereby making the fact that you have it useless.
Bottomline -- the consumer gets screwed.
Yo guys, any of you armchair analysts could fill me up on this?
What's more profitable for MS:
a) selling tons of Core Packs and making a killing on people buying $200 worth of accessories
b) selling tons of Premium Packs and not making a killing on accessories
?
I'd say a) but then why do they ship dem packs in 15/85 ratio?
What's more profitable for MS:
a) selling tons of Core Packs and making a killing on people buying $200 worth of accessories
b) selling tons of Premium Packs and not making a killing on accessories
?
I'd say a) but then why do they ship dem packs in 15/85 ratio?
Borys said:
I think the alleged ratio of Cores to 360's is due to the fact that MS is hinging a significant amount of their marketing strategy on Live, microtransactions, etc... Ultimately, I think they want people to own the HD so that they can push all of this stuff.
I'm not sure it will play out the way they think it will though.
This is exactly why that 15/85 ratio is merely an Xbot's wet dream. It's ridiculous business sense, and many of you need to understand this simple fact: the Core system is the main 360 in MS' mind.Borys said:
The value pack isn't at all like the value pack for the PSP, because Sony added about $20-25 worth of stuff, yet raised the price $50. It was a value pack to them, not us. The 360 value pack is the other way around, and there is no doubt in my mind there will be less value packs released to stores this fall than Core packs. Simple, common sense.
MS isn't in it for the gamers anymore guys. They're in it for the profit, just like everyone else.
Running out of space on a mem card has been the same since the PS1. If you run out of space, delete something. What if you don't want to lose the data? Buy another fucking card, numbnuts. Did none of you run out of memory card space this gen? I've had to do housecleaning on my PS2 and GC cards a number of times. Never shed a tear. There's always a game or two that I will never play again, and so I don't mind losing the save file. If you're a collector of save files, buy enough memory cards to feed your stubbornness. Otherwise, stfu already. Patches, DLC and microtrannies will be fine with or without the HDD. You may just be forced to use something called *gasp* discretion. PEACE.
Heian-kyo said:
Of course they're in it for the profit; but I just don't see "the Core" package being the main package. I think they want as many HD's out there as possible. I mean, MS has really pushed "the Live experience" for the 360 and how great it will be. Moreover, a HD is a much, much better solution if you're trying to pimp microtransactions.
1) Why in holy hell would you believe ANYTHING said by Xbox execs at this point in time. They have proven they have absolutely no qualms deceiving the public when it comes to marketing and hyping their new system. As far as I'm concerned, this guys response was 'blah blah blah'.urk said:
2) This is EXACTLY what MS wants everyone to believe. The value packs will sell out EASILY, and by stating such they are given a free ticket to artificially inflating how well the launch went.
3)By skewing more towards the value pack, they inadvertently make the Core pack look less desirable (why buy it when more value's are available?), yet the other way around simply makes the value pack look like a great deal... if you can get one. Smart business practice.
Why do they care? Live is their main concern, and if anyone thinks that they aren't retooling Live so that it works just fine with a Memory card, you're crazy. MS is going to use games and 'extremely desirable' downloadables to convince those gamers to get HD's. What's better than getting some people to buy Memory cards while others get HDs? Getting as many people as possible to buy both.HokieJoe said:
Cry me a fucking river. Times have changed, right? Adapt or stfu. It's probably not just you, but since yesterday, the pointless moaning has gotten out of hand. This is a non-issue. MS has analyzed this situation already, and all devs know what the deal is. If there's a problem, it will be overcome. Either FFXI will be the one 360 game that mandates an HDD, or it'll work with the memory card, and no one will give a shit. PEACE.Dr_Cogent said:
..pakbeka..
Member
how about releasing games that don't need patching and I think Live can tell if the use is using gameshark, doesn't it?
and gameshark and other cheating devices are never licensed by nintendo/sony/microsoft
and gameshark and other cheating devices are never licensed by nintendo/sony/microsoft
krypt0nian
Banned
Simple - no patchee, no playee on Live-e.
Why is there a thread on this?
And Cogent, please stfu already. We know - you hate it. Blahblahblah every thread.
Why is there a thread on this?
And Cogent, please stfu already. We know - you hate it. Blahblahblah every thread.
Heian-kyo said:
I'm sure they have retooled Live. In fact, they've retooled the whole kernel from what I've read. It takes up a smaller memory footprint. But no matter how much retooling they do, game patches, downloadable content, and microtransactions will ultimately mean shuffling memory cards if you use that route.
krypt0nian
Banned
Dr_Cogent said:
You should be bored as fuck with it already is all. Its to the point that its tedious. I'm just saying for your sake. hell I don't ignore the true idiots, so don't think you're special.
DCX
DCX
I have a question....PS3 isn't going to have a HD, how will they patch their online games? Neither is Revolution. I understand, as we all are a bit disappointed that all 360's are not HDD standard but i mean come on, you guys act like it's only Microsoft's problem. We couldn't patch online with Dreamcast. I think people were spoiled by Xbox and it's HDD being standard, hey i'm no different i loved XBOX because it gave me and devs everything we always wanted even though we didn't need it, because of that fact i will be getting the premium pack...no biggie for me...and it shouldn't be for you...
DCX
DCX
See, but this is the incorrect way of thinking that so many here are doing now. You are using the mentality that the 360 MS is the same MS that released the Xbox, that took huge losses to appease gamers and provide new experiences online. The 360 MS is the same infamous MS that we've all known and loved for many years, the Xbox MS is dead.HokieJoe said:
You also state 'shuffling memory cards' as if it's a bad thing? To MS, that comment equals dollar signs. You have to understand the mind of the general consumer. Yes, $100 for a huge hard drive is clearly the better deal than a 1/300 the space $40 card. But that's a $60 dollar difference now! And for what? The memory card is enough space for them now. And in another year, they may need to buy another card. But again, that's a whole year later, and the card is still cheaper. Why do they need all that space?
MS, despite what they've done lately, is still fairly intelligent. And they know if they want to make microtransactions work, they need to use the iTunes philosphy; start small. Small downloads, small prices. You also have to remember, the average gamers buys a fraction of the titles a hardcore gamer buys, and not all of those titles will even have downloadable content. Thus, the memory card to that consumer is the better value, and to MS, has the better profit margin. Win win.
Bottom line, MS will be happier selling more memory cards than HD's. Both may be a ripoff, but the HD is closer to the product's actual value, whereas the memory card is just an insanely disgusting joke. Which of course equals mega profits. The HD is there for two reasons only. 1) So as not to completely backpedal from the Xbox 1 philosphy, and not alienate the devs that enjoyed coding for that system. 2) To keep the hardcore Xbox fans, by pretending to offer everything (and more!) than the first system offered.
IMO, Sony is treating the HD the way it should be treated; completely seperate from the games. They've got the flash card compatibility for any patches, downloads, saves, etc. any gamer will ever need. Aside from game demos, with the large flash cards available, it's hard to justify the HD for anything other than large, non-interactive media. Which is exactly what Sony has done.
DCX said:
The PS2 didn't have alot of online games(relatively speaking) that requiring patching since most games didn't get extra levels, etc.... Socom does and it is done to a mem card... I think it takes a nice chunk of the mem card to do it though.
Beer Monkey
Member
A 360 memory card could hold about 15-20 Xbox executables. There's no reason to expect executables (not data) to get that much bigger, so a memory card should be able to hold a lot of patches and game saves.
Anybody dumb enough to use a memory card for DLC instead of springing for the hard drive, well, they deserve what they get.
Anybody dumb enough to use a memory card for DLC instead of springing for the hard drive, well, they deserve what they get.