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I'm most assuredly in for a 360. I'll probably buy a PS3 a year or so after that fundage permitting. I need four games though, and an actual online feature commensurate with Live. As for the four games, it looks like we're two down with GT5 and by the looks of the video- KZ. I assume God of War 2 will be out, so that's probably three actually.
I just don't get all of the artificial chest thumping by the Sonybois though. I mean it's really too early to gauge the power of either system. From what I've seen, MS is well positioned to hold their own hardware-wise. I didn't see anything in KZ that the 360 couldn't handle given what I saw from GoW.
One things for sure, they're both gonna' look fooking great though aren't they?
I just don't get all of the artificial chest thumping by the Sonybois though. I mean it's really too early to gauge the power of either system. From what I've seen, MS is well positioned to hold their own hardware-wise. I didn't see anything in KZ that the 360 couldn't handle given what I saw from GoW.
One things for sure, they're both gonna' look fooking great though aren't they?
Man, this place makes it really tough to be objective.
Anyway, when GR3 and PGR3 were first shown MANY people claimed that it was CG, and then we get ridiculous things like Killzone and Motor Sport and that's realtime? Come on...
And there's another thing, going by launch dates, PS3 is 6 months behind X360, that should mean that they're 6 months behind in terms of dev kits as well. So X360 devs are still working with Alpha kits, and PS3 devs should be working with what? From what I know (told to me by people like Bing Gordon) early dev kits are really just emulators, and continually migrate to hardware as it becomes available. And from history, Sony hasn't been very good with their dev kits. All of this leads me to believe that almost all the footage, and ALL of the really stunning footage was pre-rendered. Now it might be in-engine, but running at non-realtime speeds, like GT4's photomode. And thus it becomes a matter of whether or not the final hardware can achieve the expected values, and considering the expected results, I'm highly skeptical we'll see them.
Anyway, when GR3 and PGR3 were first shown MANY people claimed that it was CG, and then we get ridiculous things like Killzone and Motor Sport and that's realtime? Come on...
And there's another thing, going by launch dates, PS3 is 6 months behind X360, that should mean that they're 6 months behind in terms of dev kits as well. So X360 devs are still working with Alpha kits, and PS3 devs should be working with what? From what I know (told to me by people like Bing Gordon) early dev kits are really just emulators, and continually migrate to hardware as it becomes available. And from history, Sony hasn't been very good with their dev kits. All of this leads me to believe that almost all the footage, and ALL of the really stunning footage was pre-rendered. Now it might be in-engine, but running at non-realtime speeds, like GT4's photomode. And thus it becomes a matter of whether or not the final hardware can achieve the expected values, and considering the expected results, I'm highly skeptical we'll see them.
shpankey
not an idiot
the funny thing is, for the last 4 years we had to listen to PS2 fanboys screaming it's not about the graphics, about the gameplay. and how the ps2 controller was reason enough to play on it.
now the tables are reversed... in both aspects, with the PS3's fucking HIDEOUS controller, and now all their views have reversed.
and until i see some gameplay, actually IN GAME BEING PLAYED, and not some realtime demo with nothing else going on... i with-hold judgement on just how much better their games look over xbox 360 games.
and i still claim that Ghost Recon 3 is the most impressive thing shown so far at e3. the animations were just fucking sick. the big explosion and how it affected everything and everyone in real time, just blew me away. oh, and the graphics were amazing.
but if you listed to ps3 fanboys, it's like it's not even worht our time because the graphics from it weren't as impressive as some ps3 cutscenes that had no actual gameplay in them.
funny how gameplay no longer matters for games, all of a sudden.
now the tables are reversed... in both aspects, with the PS3's fucking HIDEOUS controller, and now all their views have reversed.
and until i see some gameplay, actually IN GAME BEING PLAYED, and not some realtime demo with nothing else going on... i with-hold judgement on just how much better their games look over xbox 360 games.
and i still claim that Ghost Recon 3 is the most impressive thing shown so far at e3. the animations were just fucking sick. the big explosion and how it affected everything and everyone in real time, just blew me away. oh, and the graphics were amazing.
but if you listed to ps3 fanboys, it's like it's not even worht our time because the graphics from it weren't as impressive as some ps3 cutscenes that had no actual gameplay in them.
funny how gameplay no longer matters for games, all of a sudden.
BuckRobotron
Member
No uniforms to trade in, I'll be there for Xbox360 and then PS3. Yes, I'm even boring myself with this post.
CrimsonSkies
Member
I thought both consoles looked great and I'll own them both.
I'm not exactly sure why people are going so apeshit about one consoles graphics capability and not the other. Both appear to be really good.
I'm not exactly sure why people are going so apeshit about one consoles graphics capability and not the other. Both appear to be really good.
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
DCharlie said:Platform agnostic GAF'ers unite, all you have to lose are your saving
The plan is I am going to buy a XB360 and my room mate a PS3 (best of both worlds plus savings!).
Chittagong
Gold Member
I'm bailing out. Sony's showing rocked. They know this business. The apparent ease of today's smashing showing really shows their experience.
Microsoft is like the guy in your class who was just trying too hard to be cool. Also, bad videos are a BIG no no.
Microsoft is like the guy in your class who was just trying too hard to be cool. Also, bad videos are a BIG no no.
shpankey said:
Haha, are you seriously bitching about the VISUAL asthetics of a controler. Only people I think that would be concerned about that would be people who have to look down to see which button to press. You are not one of those people are you sphankey? If anything the PS3 controler looks more ergonomic than the DS2. Would have been nice to have triggers but since I have a nice DFP its not a loss to me. PS3 also is better suited for handling greater physics calculations it seems, so there is your gameplay arguement.
Microsoft's showing wasn't all that great, but it's not the end all be all for the system. Ultimately what this all boils down to is the games. If Microsoft can deliver in that department then they have my money, same with Nintendo and Sony. It's waay to early to consider the 360 doomed.
As far as the designs are concerned, they're both fuckin' ugly in my opinion. The 360 is like an enlarged version of my cable modem and the PS3 reminds me of the mini fridge I had in college. Microsoft gets the edge in controller design as the PS3's 'tweeder' looks like a poorly designed prop for an X Files episode. Visuals...I don't know what the fuck is a render and what's not. Let's wait a while before we can reach a consensus on the graphic capabilities of both systems.
On another note...I Thought for sure we'd see Halo 3 considering how many insiders were hinting at it.
As far as the designs are concerned, they're both fuckin' ugly in my opinion. The 360 is like an enlarged version of my cable modem and the PS3 reminds me of the mini fridge I had in college. Microsoft gets the edge in controller design as the PS3's 'tweeder' looks like a poorly designed prop for an X Files episode. Visuals...I don't know what the fuck is a render and what's not. Let's wait a while before we can reach a consensus on the graphic capabilities of both systems.
On another note...I Thought for sure we'd see Halo 3 considering how many insiders were hinting at it.
I thought PS3 was getting the Final Fantasies with the roman numerals after them???
Meh, I'm a multi-platformer too, but nothing's really felt like next-gen so far. Colour me unimpressed. I like new titles. MS is delivering to some degree, with the Japanese developers, but Sony is just bagging the easy sequels.
Meh, I'm a multi-platformer too, but nothing's really felt like next-gen so far. Colour me unimpressed. I like new titles. MS is delivering to some degree, with the Japanese developers, but Sony is just bagging the easy sequels.
:lol :lol :lol
At all the people who say, "I'm bailing out". I guaran-fucking-tee that most of you'll be back in six months saying, "wow, did you see that new PD0 trailer? it was hawt!" or "man, i was really down on the 360 after E3, but they've really pulled it together somehow".
And you know what, I'll be there pointing and giggling through it all. Mark my words, for HokieJoe has forseen it all.
At all the people who say, "I'm bailing out". I guaran-fucking-tee that most of you'll be back in six months saying, "wow, did you see that new PD0 trailer? it was hawt!" or "man, i was really down on the 360 after E3, but they've really pulled it together somehow".
And you know what, I'll be there pointing and giggling through it all. Mark my words, for HokieJoe has forseen it all.
super-heated plasma
Member
You'd think people would learn from the mistakes of history would'nt you?
I remember how XBOX one was going to fail badly, and MS would quit making consoles after realizing they did'nt have a chance in 2001.
Now they are saying the same about the 360. In a years time, those people will be eating crow AGAIN.
I remember how XBOX one was going to fail badly, and MS would quit making consoles after realizing they did'nt have a chance in 2001.
Now they are saying the same about the 360. In a years time, those people will be eating crow AGAIN.
HokieJoe said::lol :lol :lol
At all the people who say, "I'm bailing out". I guaran-fucking-tee that most of you'll be back in six months saying, "wow, did you see that new PD0 trailer? it was hawt!" or "man, i was really down on the 360 after E3, but they've really pulled it together somehow".
And you know what, I'll be there pointing and giggling through it all. Mark my words, for HokieJoe has forseen it all.
I agree.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Mrbob said:
hmmm I don't see anything on the PS3 as of now that makes me believe that their games selection will be too much different than this year's.. and they were the industry leader then. I like PC "western" style RPGs...the Xbox had that on lockdown and it looks like they will continue from all the info I have seen so far.
I just spit out my breakfast... so wait a second, lemme get this straight... because Microsoft's conference was "poor", they're going to lose your support???
If that's the case, then Sony fans should've abandoned them a LOOOOOOONG time ago with their bullshit powerpoint snorefests.
When 360 comes out this holiday season with the best launch lineup you've ever seen, I don't think many hardcore gamers will be able to resist.
If that's the case, then Sony fans should've abandoned them a LOOOOOOONG time ago with their bullshit powerpoint snorefests.
When 360 comes out this holiday season with the best launch lineup you've ever seen, I don't think many hardcore gamers will be able to resist.
Hitler Stole My Potato
Banned
HokieJoe said::lol :lol :lol
At all the people who say, "I'm bailing out". I guaran-fucking-tee that most of you'll be back in six months saying, "wow, did you see that new PD0 trailer? it was hawt!" or "man, i was really down on the 360 after E3, but they've really pulled it together somehow".
And you know what, I'll be there pointing and giggling through it all. Mark my words, for HokieJoe has forseen it all.
Again, for the record, I AM buying a 360. I'm not sure if I'll get one at launch or not though knowing myself I probably succumb to it when I see Oblivion sitting on the shelf. That game looks H.O.T.
Last night however, Sony impressed me much, much more.
When I see actual video gameplay footage complete with a HUD and all that shit, i'll believe. Until then, the PS3 shit was all phony. Although it all looked damn killer.
MS simply dropped the ball and were obviously very unprepared in comparison to Sony. Where's Digital Anvil? FASA? Bungie? Where the hell was, what is supposed to be, your "flagship" launch title?
MS simply dropped the ball and were obviously very unprepared in comparison to Sony. Where's Digital Anvil? FASA? Bungie? Where the hell was, what is supposed to be, your "flagship" launch title?
Hitler Stole My Potato
Banned
It very well may turn out that much of that from the Sony conference was CG. I hope it wasn't. I really, really do. I desperately want the games to look like that. If they are real I can't imagine that there are a lot of developers out there that could afford the development costs to make games like that. That'll kill a lot of people. But the graphic whore in me would love to see stuff of that quality.
However, that's the future. The PS3 won't be out 'til next year and god knows I can't walk by new hardware sitting on the shelf without buying it. I'm the epitome of the early adopter. The 360 has several games that I'm honestly interested in and god knows I'll be buying one.
But you're right. There were a lot of publishers and games that I expected to see but didn't. Someone better get some footage of Shadowrun. STAT.
However, that's the future. The PS3 won't be out 'til next year and god knows I can't walk by new hardware sitting on the shelf without buying it. I'm the epitome of the early adopter. The 360 has several games that I'm honestly interested in and god knows I'll be buying one.
But you're right. There were a lot of publishers and games that I expected to see but didn't. Someone better get some footage of Shadowrun. STAT.
Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Sony fans should save their posts from this thread so they can cut and paste into the GAF E3 2010 threads. All you'll have to do is change the year and increase the numbers after Tekken, DMC, Gran Turismo, etc.
As for me, I'll be playing against other people online instead of playing the same game I played 3 or 7 years ago that now looks better.
As for me, I'll be playing against other people online instead of playing the same game I played 3 or 7 years ago that now looks better.
Aika'svyse
Banned
No I'll not turn in my uniform I didn't see a reason. I was susposed to see games that were 10 times more powerful than 360 and decide I'd wait on PS3, but thats a joke. Sony showed nothing to make me wait for PS3 and if you turn in your Xbox uniform you're an idiot. The net is ruled by silly people, both consoles are mighty impressive and dare I say close enough that I'd be happy to have either right now.
Damn the net is pissing me off with silliness. When Sony show some real games someone PM me. E3 was a waste this year in some regards. I'm actually probably more excited about FF and Square on Xbox and looking out for Nintendo.
Damn the net is pissing me off with silliness. When Sony show some real games someone PM me. E3 was a waste this year in some regards. I'm actually probably more excited about FF and Square on Xbox and looking out for Nintendo.
Also, remember that Microsoft still has many games under wraps and in the pipeline for 360 (and they're keeping them secret for whatever reason). Halo 3, Shadowrun, Bioware RPG's, etc., etc. I guess they don't want to take the limelight away from the launch titles and their third-party stuff, which MS hopes will carry their system early on (and I too think those games will). EA, Ubisoft, Take 2, Microsoft, and Activision will have plenty of mass market appeal type games at launch and a few hardcore ones too.
Sathsquatch
Member
You guys are comparing games launching this year that are being developed on high end PC's to games that may or may not be in real time and won't be here for a year at minimum. Somehow, I think that Xbox 360 games might actually improve visually within a year, but hey, that's just me.
The Xbot will be extinct next-gen.
Anyway, before last night I wasn't convinced that MS is launching too early, but now I am.
PDZ, Kameo, DOA4 should've stayed on Xbox where they obviously belong; they could've been part of a great holiday lineup. They would've been great looking Xbox games instead of disappointing looking next-gen games that've been hurriedly pushed on to the 360 to fill a launch lineup.
They would've had more time to make the 360 more powerful, launch holiday 2006 with Halo3, Gears of War, and some Japanese RPGs.
Bleh.
Anyway, before last night I wasn't convinced that MS is launching too early, but now I am.
PDZ, Kameo, DOA4 should've stayed on Xbox where they obviously belong; they could've been part of a great holiday lineup. They would've been great looking Xbox games instead of disappointing looking next-gen games that've been hurriedly pushed on to the 360 to fill a launch lineup.
They would've had more time to make the 360 more powerful, launch holiday 2006 with Halo3, Gears of War, and some Japanese RPGs.
Bleh.
shpankey said:
Wow, talk about believing one's own lies. Kameo's farme rate was choppy as hell. So, if everything that PS3 showed was just CG (lol) how about the scripted sequences in Gears Of Wars. That was not a game session too, so it could be a cut-scene. And taking GT4 as example of geing owned by a next-gen product (PGR3, which by the way, was a sequence made of no real gameplay camera. But I don't doubt it will be realtime). Xbots are really desperate if they think they can take these kind of ridiculous arguments to convince anyone. PGR3 owned GT5 (which was just a high-res version of GT4 with more cars). Xbox360 own PS3 for sure, in your own world of lies.
Aika'svyse said:
You should just search fopr information. The Insomniac game is real-time and that's damn impressive (increibly opne areas with thousands of things going on), Heavenly Sword is real time in 1080p confirmed by the programmer himself (go to www.beyond3d.com for proof).
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Reactions to E3 disgust me!
Well, not really... although as always with a new generation, since all we can really see are the graphics, the talk about next gen stuff is very superficial at this point. I'm reaally interested in what kids of games we'll see as a result, that we haven't before, and which platform is going to ge the lion's share of thrid party support, and which is going to have the groundbreaking, cool new games.
Last gen, this forum went apeshit over polygon counts and particle effects when the demos appeared, btu the games that the new tech supported that were really something new were the free-roamers that GTA inspired. What is this tech going to allow us that we haven't see before? Free-roamers with real interiors and decent gfx? Or something else?
(Also, I don't think I've heard *anybody* say anything about the fact that at last Sony is supporting more that 2 controillers!)
Well, not really... although as always with a new generation, since all we can really see are the graphics, the talk about next gen stuff is very superficial at this point. I'm reaally interested in what kids of games we'll see as a result, that we haven't before, and which platform is going to ge the lion's share of thrid party support, and which is going to have the groundbreaking, cool new games.
Last gen, this forum went apeshit over polygon counts and particle effects when the demos appeared, btu the games that the new tech supported that were really something new were the free-roamers that GTA inspired. What is this tech going to allow us that we haven't see before? Free-roamers with real interiors and decent gfx? Or something else?
(Also, I don't think I've heard *anybody* say anything about the fact that at last Sony is supporting more that 2 controillers!)
krypt0nian
Banned
...and the seats on the bandwangon will be kept warm for those drama queens "turning in thier uniforms" <spit> once 360 has games they want.
Tragic that they learned nothing last gen.
Tragic that they learned nothing last gen.
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