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[Ixtense]

I don't know if it's old or all know (if it's old plz delet) that but me, I learn today that the Xbox 360 Core Pack can't read Xbox games, because there is no Hard Drive.

 

[AniHawk]

Yep. Really old.

 

[xabre]

I'm sure this has been covered but hey, this thread is pretty much redundant anyway so I might as well get some use out of it. How are 'micro transactions' and downloading updates over live supposed to work with the Xbox360 core system?

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

REALL??? LMAO...

THATS NEWS TO ME.. HJAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAJAJHAJHKAJAAKJADKLSHFO42%@#$%


*chokes*

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*dies*

 

[Chittagong]

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Don't be fooled !! A few hits and that old man turns into a raging behemoth.

 

[Juice]

I clicked this link thinking that perhaps some mainstream news outlet actually carried word of this tragedy, so that people might be informed that the $299 tard pack does not, in fact, slice bread. (Nor do much else).

I really hate that Microsoft is getting positive press for throwing out a virtually incomplete system bundle at a (relatively) bare bones price, while people are confusedly attaching features that more or less require additional accessories (mem card/HDD) with the cheaper Core system.

Many a fist will be shaken around the Christmas tree, methinks.

 

[xabre]

How are 'micro transactions' and downloading updates over live supposed to work with the Xbox360 core system?

 

[gofreak]

How are 'micro transactions' and downloading updates over live supposed to work with the Xbox360 core system?

They'll work with the memory card. But over the long run, if a high proportion of users are using just memory cards, I think it could hamper the market (at least as long as 64MB costs you $40).

 

[cyberheater]

I clicked this link thinking that perhaps some mainstream news outlet actually carried word of this tragedy, so that people might be informed that the $299 tard pack does not, in fact, slice bread. (Nor do much else).

I really hate that Microsoft is getting positive press for throwing out a virtually incomplete system bundle at a (relatively) bare bones price, while people are confusedly attaching features that more or less require additional accessories (mem card/HDD) with the cheaper Core system.

Many a fist will be shaken around the Christmas tree, methinks.

I think your confusing the 360 core machine with a toaster or something.

Try this one on for size. The 360 core is a (now wait for it) games machine!!!
You buy a core and a memcard and a game and sit it in front of your TV and actually play a game and laugh at all those folks waiting 6 months to a year for PS3.
Simple isn't it. No confusion, no hate. Just great next gen gaming cheaper then we'd ever thought possible.
Wasn't tough now was it.

 

[Tellaerin]

How are 'micro transactions' and downloading updates over live supposed to work with the Xbox360 core system?

One would assume that you could download a few updates and smaller bits of DLC to an (overpriced and woefully undersized) memory card. I believe MS is assuming that you'll eventually get sick of how limited this arrangement is and buy the HD.

Oh, and there's no need to shout. I'd've still answered your post without the boldface, and it would've saved me some eyestrain.

 

[Juice]

I think your confusing the 360 core machine with a toaster or something.

Try this one on for size. The 360 core is a (now wait for it) games machine!!!
You buy a core and a memcard and a game and sit it in front of your TV and actually play a game and laugh at all those folks waiting 6 months to a year for PS3.
Simple isn't it. No confusion, no hate. Just great next gen gaming cheaper then we'd ever thought possible.
Wasn't tough now was it.

At first, I read your post and thought that I'd said something inappropriate.

Then I read the post linked to from your tag.

Now I can rest easy. Thank you, Mod gods!

The point isn't the illustration I used, the point is that the public is going to walk into the store, and parents are going to buy this thing, and they're going to presume that the Core pack comes with features that it does not. Yes, it plays games, and it'll do that just fine. But unless Microsoft is clearer (and they obviously don't want to be), the media really should step in and be clear as to which features will appear on which version of the system.

Misinformation never pays off in the long run, and that's exactly why no one's really been a "fan" of the Microsoft corporation since it's inception. It's founded on misinforming the public to get what it wants immediately, but as a result, no one trusts them. Consoles are inherently long-term ventures, so it's important to, you know, not lie or confuse people intentionally.

 

[cyberheater]

How can you accuse MS of miss-information.

I'm sure the fact that they call one machine Xbox360 and the other one Xbox core speaks volumes.
I really can't see the confusion.

 

[gofreak]

How can you accuse MS of miss-information.

I'm sure the fact that they call one machine Xbox360 and the other one Xbox core speaks volumes.
I really can't see the confusion.

Stop it cyberheater. Your spin (and more lately, trolling), is becoming too much.

MS clearly said every X360 would have a HDD and wireless controller as standard. To suggest the X360 Core isn't a X360 is simply ludicrous.

 

[urk]

Actually they said those perephirals would come standard. The standard box is the core.

 

[cyberheater]

Stop it cyberheater. Your spin (and more lately, trolling), is becoming too much.

MS clearly said every X360 would have a HDD and wireless controller as standard. To suggest the X360 Core isn't a X360 is simply ludicrous.

Where did MS say that.

If you right i'll stop defending MS on this point.

And i'm not trolling. I'm trying to add some much need counterweight to the total MS bashing that's going on in these forums.

 

[GhaleonEB]

At first, I read your post and thought that I'd said something inappropriate.

Then I read the post linked to from your tag.

Now I can rest easy. Thank you, Mod gods!

The point isn't the illustration I used, the point is that the public is going to walk into the store, and parents are going to buy this thing, and they're going to presume that the Core pack comes with features that it does not. Yes, it plays games, and it'll do that just fine. But unless Microsoft is clearer (and they obviously don't want to be), the media really should step in and be clear as to which features will appear on which version of the system.

Misinformation never pays off in the long run, and that's exactly why no one's really been a "fan" of the Microsoft corporation since it's inception. It's founded on misinforming the public to get what it wants immediately, but as a result, no one trusts them. Consoles are inherently long-term ventures, so it's important to, you know, not lie or confuse people intentionally.

I actually think the nerfing of the HDD makes this scenario less likely. Since it's not standard, the only way the HDD will be used by developers is as a huge memory card. Why have a huge memory card? To download stuff from online (oh, and rip music, but since you can stream from other devices while playing even that one is less important).

I don't forsee casual gamers going online and downloading lots. I think they are far more likely to be pissed about the wireless controller not coming standard.

We hard core are pissed about the nerfing of the HDD to begin with.

 

[PhatSaqs]

I actually think the nerfing of the HDD makes this scenario less likely. Since it's not standard, the only way the HDD will be used by developers is as a huge memory card.

We already know this is false as Oblivion is said to use the HDD extensively.

It's gonna be funny to revisit alot of this HDD whining after a year.

 

[Particle Physicist]

How are 'micro transactions' and downloading updates over live supposed to work with the Xbox360 core system?

first microsoft tricks you into buying the 99 dolla harddrive. then they trick you into the whole microtransaction dealio .

 

[GhaleonEB]

Where did MS say that.

If you right i'll stop defending MS on this point.

And i'm not trolling. I'm trying to add some much need counterweight to the total MS bashing that's going on in these forums.

Please read this post.

Now read this quote from one of Microsoft's E3 press releases - one that's still up on XBox.com for fuck's sake!

The Xbox Platform — Powering the Xbox 360 Games and Entertainment
Xbox 360 is designed with a singular platform vision that fuses high-performance hardware and intelligent software and services so the player is always in power. Offering the greatest value in entertainment today, Microsoft detailed more key platform experiences that come standard with every Xbox 360 system:

* An IBM PowerPC-based CPU with three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each, packing the most advanced AI and physics processing available
* A custom ATI Graphics processor and more than 512 MB of memory for high-definition games and entertainment applications
* All games optimized for 16:9 aspect ratio, HD output (720p and 1080i), multichannel surround sound output, and full-screen anti-aliasing
* Detachable and expandable 20GB hard drive to download demos and trailers along with new game levels, maps, weapons, vehicles, skins, community-created content and more, to rip music for playback and to listen to custom playlists in every game
* A wireless controller with Microsoft®-patented wireless technology; Xbox Guide Button on every controller to instantly connect gamers to their games, friends and music, and to power on or power off Xbox 360 without their having to leave the couch
* Gamer Profile software that remembers what players have achieved in games
* Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live, including a built-in Ethernet port for connectivity; Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content; a Message Center to receive voice and video messages from friends; functionality that let users talk to friends, even while watching movies or listening to music; and an Xbox Live Headset

Did you read that? Every system announced to include a processor, a graphics card, a HDD and a wireless controller. Pretty clear, and still up on their damn website, taunting us with what was promised. That is why we say MS lied. Because they did.

Will you stop defending them on this point now?

 

[GhaleonEB]

We already know this is false as Oblivion is said to use the HDD extensively.

It's gonna be funny to revisit alot of this HDD whining after a year.

The guy from Bethesda posted here a few days ago that the game runs exactly the same with and without the HDD...

 

[PhatSaqs]

The guy from Bethesda posted here a few days ago that the game runs exactly the same with and without the HDD...

http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=145879

For those of you that have been wondering, just a quick word. Oblivion does not REQUIRE a hard drive to work on Xbox 360. It will work on every Xbox 360. We would recommend you get one if you have the means because we use it heavily if you have one and it makes the game play smoother, but it is in no way a requirement.

 

[Particle Physicist]

We already know this is false as Oblivion is said to use the HDD extensively.

It's gonna be funny to revisit alot of this HDD whining after a year.

thats cause the oblivion devs thought the harddrive was going to be standard.

with the higher cost and longer dev time for next gen games.. i doubt many devs are going to spend much time supporting an optional peripheral.

 

[PhatSaqs]

thats cause the oblivion devs thought the harddrive was going to be standard.

Read the above post.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Read the above post.

what about it?? its obvious microsoft later told them they had to change their shit..

microsoft trixed them.

 

[DarienA]

<Incoming urk in 5... 4... 3...>

 

[Particle Physicist]

microsoft is very trixie.. they trixed everyone..

 

[GhaleonEB]

what about it?? its obvious microsoft later told them they had to change their shit..

microsoft trixed them.

Um...

That'd be a good point if it wasn't for the fact that Microsoft has been telling developers not to count on the HDD being there all the time pretty much from the beginning.

http://forum.gaming-age.com/showpost.php?p=1793837&postcount=81

Funny that he was replying to someone else, but it sure fits well with your post as well. :lol

 

[Particle Physicist]

Um...



http://forum.gaming-age.com/showpost.php?p=1793837&postcount=81

Funny that he was replying to someone else, but it sure fits well with your post as well. :lol

LIES THEY TRIXED US ALLL!!!!!


by the way. didnt the devs say that they basically chose to put this game on the xbox360 as opposed to the ps3 because of the harddrive?

 

[Juice]

I actually think the nerfing of the HDD makes this scenario less likely. Since it's not standard, the only way the HDD will be used by developers is as a huge memory card. Why have a huge memory card? To download stuff from online (oh, and rip music, but since you can stream from other devices while playing even that one is less important).

I don't forsee casual gamers going online and downloading lots. I think they are far more likely to be pissed about the wireless controller not coming standard.

We hard core are pissed about the nerfing of the HDD to begin with.

Oh, I don't disagree; I think you misread what features I was implying.

I think the deal-breaker of casual early adoption in the post PS2-era is backwards compatibilty. Perhaps the Xbox's shining moment in the cazhie media was the Halo 2 launch, and when the crowd that jumped on the bandwagon at that point see a new system coming out just a year or two after they picked up Xbox, they might be willing to make the plunge if they're under the impression that their current games still work on it.

Out of that crowd, I'm sure a few of them or their parents shopping at Christmas may buy them Core (or even premium) packs and assume it means all of their "Xbox" branded games will still work on the new version of the console. Afterall, the discs are the same size!

Even on the Premium pack's ability to do BC, MS is being extremely smarmy. If they would just work on composing a finalized list of what games work and make it available at RETAIL outlets so that people can know what they're buying before they go home, then (while Microsoft would take a hit to its pride and outward image) they'd probably save millions in angry tech support calls and returns.

 

[Scottlarock]

unlike the sega cd, ps2 HD, or n64 booster pack. the HD option is available from day 1 not late into the system life.... I expect many games will use it alot for smoother play...ala perfect dark n64

 

[Juice]

unlike the sega cd, ps2 HD, or n64 booster pack. the HD option is available from day 1 not late into the system life.... I expect many games will use it alot for smoother play...ala perfect dark n64

Well, PD did require the pack for virtually all of the game modes,

But I think the N64 RAM pak is an interesting comparison. Better yet, having the hard drive attached is like having one of those old 386 computers with the TURBO button right next to the power button. You can press the turbo button, watch it light up, and then spend hours staring at the screen and trying to discern whether or not it makes a difference!

While the RAM upgrade will undoubtedly result in far superior gaming landscapes, I'm really afraid that it's doomed the system to ridiculously long load times. Especially for non-HDD users (as if caching from an external laptop drive will help that much). It makes me wonder if they INTENTIONALLY cut the RAM from 512 to 256 intially in hopes of avoiding ridiculous load times.

Somehow I doubt normal people would think this is the true start to the HD era if games take twice as long to load as they did in SDTV on their PS2's

 

[robertsan21]

ok this might be a bit OT but what games are going to be out on the release date ?

 

[urk]

<Incoming urk in 5... 4... 3...>

2... 1?

 

[Outcast2004]

I don't know if it's old or all know (if it's old plz delet) that but me, I learn today that the Xbox 360 Core Pack can't read Xbox games, because there is no Hard Drive.