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Xbox 360 unveiled, pics inside (Engadget)
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Odnetnin said:
The Dualshock has got to go. The shapes for buttons names (what's wrong with A,B,etc?), the short handles, the placement of the analog sticks... the whole thing should die a quick death.
That, or Sony could do something else for me. Make the X button green. The square blue. The circle can stay red. Lastly, make the triangle button yellow. All they have to do next is provide a nice adapter so I can plug in my Xbox 360 controller.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
I still prefer the Saturn's analogue button, you know, the more flat one, analogue but much more comfortable to use. I'm probably alone in that though.
Edit: Though I agree about the GameCube analogue stick being great, having corners around the outside allowing you to know exactly where an exact direction is = genius.
Edit: Though I agree about the GameCube analogue stick being great, having corners around the outside allowing you to know exactly where an exact direction is = genius.
Infinitemadness
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WordAssassin said:
Fact, pick and choose which player you are by selecting on the controller yourself.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Agreed. And why does it only have 3 shoulder buttons, one being smaller than the other? And why have an octagon around the analog sticks? It just hinders the smoothness. The GC controller design has always puzzled me. It's made with good, long lasting material, but the buttons are shit. I just look at the GC controller as a very desperate attempt to be different.Odysseus said:
Odnetnin said:
Please. Where's a good eye-rolling smiley? And calling someone else a fanboy while you're regurgitating Sony PR? Classic.
Anyway, it's called preferring the Controller S and seeing that the 360 controller changes little about it other than moving the B/W buttons to the shoulders. I'll take the S over any other controller any day of the week. It's just as comfortable as the GameCube and just as functional as DS2.
The shape is awesome. Just a tick below the Mako64 IMO. I think the best pad would by assymetrical like that, but lefties would have a shitfit. HOWEVER, the button layout is easily the most retarded thing in the world that almost knocks off all the positive points. What few positive that are left are completely nullified by the idiotic C-stick. So the Wavebird is an incredible controller hamstrung by the dumbest layout known to man. Did I mention the Z-button is useless? What a travesty. PEACE.John Harker said:<---------- Best. Controller. Ever.
*Time to waltz into the thread and try to invalidate the opinions of the haters by claiming that they are somehow "jealous"*
Seriously though, that pic doesn't look too hot. Nevermind the lighting, or the quality of the pic, it's not that impressive from a design POV.
The renders that were released a week ago looked pretty good, from that one specific angle. But I see this console not looking good in any other angle other than that.
On that other hand, I always did and still think that the PS2 is the most ugliest machine ever created. It's all subjective and it doesn't really matter, I'll still buy em all (except Revolution if it turns out to be GameCube 2.0).
Seriously though, that pic doesn't look too hot. Nevermind the lighting, or the quality of the pic, it's not that impressive from a design POV.
The renders that were released a week ago looked pretty good, from that one specific angle. But I see this console not looking good in any other angle other than that.
On that other hand, I always did and still think that the PS2 is the most ugliest machine ever created. It's all subjective and it doesn't really matter, I'll still buy em all (except Revolution if it turns out to be GameCube 2.0).
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
See, I disagree.
These are just opinions, btw.
I love the WaveBird.
I find it insanely comfortable, more so than any other controller I've used. It is extremely light for its size. It is not power-hungry on batteries. The wireless range is phenomenal. The button places, to me, are more 'natural.' They just arent what you are used to. It does follow Nintendo's philosophy of making things "simplier" (not easier) if you ask me. It places emphasis on certain buttons over others, and you can play nearly any game with only moving your thumb in a left-right fashion, not having to go up-down-right-left like on the Sony and Xbox Pads. It makes fast-paced twitch and tick gaming a lot smoother, if you ask me. And the d-bad and z-botton are only 'useless' if the developers don't use them, you can't blame that on the controller itself
These are just opinions, btw.
I love the WaveBird.
I find it insanely comfortable, more so than any other controller I've used. It is extremely light for its size. It is not power-hungry on batteries. The wireless range is phenomenal. The button places, to me, are more 'natural.' They just arent what you are used to. It does follow Nintendo's philosophy of making things "simplier" (not easier) if you ask me. It places emphasis on certain buttons over others, and you can play nearly any game with only moving your thumb in a left-right fashion, not having to go up-down-right-left like on the Sony and Xbox Pads. It makes fast-paced twitch and tick gaming a lot smoother, if you ask me. And the d-bad and z-botton are only 'useless' if the developers don't use them, you can't blame that on the controller itself
WordAssassin
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Pimpwerx said:
As far as I've seen, the button layout is a really good thing for non-gamers. Fuck, I still have to look down when I'm playing a PS2 game because I can't get my head around the symbol mess Sony decided to go with. When my dad plays GCN games it's easy for him because A is the fucking giant green button that serves as home base for your thumb, B is the little red one that's off to the left. Y is the tallest button that's at the tip of your thumb, and X is over to the right.
It's simple. It works. It's easy to use. It might look fucking retarded, but it's good and it does exactly what Nintendo designed it to do. I personally think it's a very smart design and wish that, if a console isn't going to go diamond ABXY, they'd do the home-base style layout. It'd make gaming a lot easier for newbs.
But, the Z button is completely useless. It's my one gripe with the GCN controller. It's even harder to hit than the R1 and L1 buttons on the DS2. I have to move my entire hand to hit them - also like the fucking mess that are the Xbox's white and black, start and back buttons.
OG_Original Gamer
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I didn't want to make a thread about this, so I'm going a little off topic hear and ask if anyone have any spare Xbox Live 2-month free trial codes that hasn't expired?
If so could you please PM me. Thanks in advance.
If so could you please PM me. Thanks in advance.
WordAssassin
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Why is there such hate for the C-Stick? I do not understand this. Why is there not similar hate for the second joystick on the Xbox pad? Or for the TWO joysticks on the Dual Shock 2? Is it just because it's a different shape? It still works exactly the same as the main joystick. What gives, guys? I'm seriously interested in knowing why people think the C-Stick is so bad.
Who has to move their fingers up and down on DS2 or Controller S? I use the middle of my thumb ont he X/A button, the tip of my thumb on the Triangle/Y Button and just move my thumb either way to get to whatever button i need. Its really piss easy and extremely natural to use, index fingers on triggers. The Controller S is the perfect layout with exception of the black and white button, and start/back button. It feels perfect in your hands.... and by making those Black/White buttons triggers, and the start/back button in the centre of the controller, ontop of it coming in wireless and standard versions, the controller is pretty much perfect. Thats assuming it is the S Controller with refined button layout 
The Gamecube controller making buttons easier to hit than others backfires just as easily, by the big green button getting in the way. Needless to say its analogue sticks are very dodgy (mostly the hexagonal shaping, how is that a good idea at all? And the odd trigger count is weird also. It has its pro's, but it has its cons. The Xbox 2 controller looks to off gotten rid of its cons
The Gamecube controller making buttons easier to hit than others backfires just as easily, by the big green button getting in the way. Needless to say its analogue sticks are very dodgy (mostly the hexagonal shaping, how is that a good idea at all? And the odd trigger count is weird also. It has its pro's, but it has its cons. The Xbox 2 controller looks to off gotten rid of its cons
Hitler Stole My Potato
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OG_Original Gamer said:
PM sent.
The Z button is the only thing I've had a problem with. From what I understand, it wasn't orginially going to be included until some complained about a trigger similar to the one on the N64. The problem is that the GC controller's from factor and design pretty much negated the need for the button. The L shoulder button pretty much replaced the Z trigger.
I don't have much of an issue with the d-pad--most modern uses of the d-pad have been mostly centered around inventory of shift key fucntionality (plus the analogue stick is nice enough to use with 2D stuff). Again, this was another thing that originally wasn't even going to be included until people complained.
I don't have much of an issue with the d-pad--most modern uses of the d-pad have been mostly centered around inventory of shift key fucntionality (plus the analogue stick is nice enough to use with 2D stuff). Again, this was another thing that originally wasn't even going to be included until people complained.
WordAssassin
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Yeah, count your blessings on the D-Pad, people. There was going to be a fucking giant red START button in its place until people bitched for a D-Pad instead.
As mentioned, it's too small and unresponsive. I forgot about the d-pad sucking too. I have never had to use it though, so I can't complain too much. The GC controller gets me so conflicted. I want to pat someone on the back for the comfortable ergonomics, but I want to punch someone in the face for everything else about it.WordAssassin said:
IMO, the perfect controller would combine the shape of the GC's controller with the button placement of the PS2's pad (ie 4 shoulder buttons and 2x2 face with same spacing and feel), and the analog sticks from the Xbox. Oh, and maybe take the d-pad from the old Saturn 6-button controller. None of the d-pads this gen are worth a damn. Nintendo pisses me off, b/c it's their retarded patent that's the reason for the shitty Sony d-pad. For what they had to work with, the Sony d-pad actually ended up being the best one this gen. That's kinda embarassing considering it was a major bitching point in the 32bit era. PEACE.
Pedigree Chum
Banned
Wacky theory time:
You know the X in the middle of the controller? Maybe each piece of plastic around the X is a button (each piece corresponding to a number around it), you click one of the pieces, lets say piece 1 for wireless signal 1, 2 for 2, etc. Probably wrong, but hey at least it sounds cool
You know the X in the middle of the controller? Maybe each piece of plastic around the X is a button (each piece corresponding to a number around it), you click one of the pieces, lets say piece 1 for wireless signal 1, 2 for 2, etc. Probably wrong, but hey at least it sounds cool
lachesis
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I do not disapprove the look... I think it looks "okay", although I have to admit that the look of Xbox franchise so far never really impressed me. It's the guts inside and actual contents managed. Sony or even Nintendo usually manages to impress me in product design - especially sony, which I believe they are on par with Apple for product design.
Nintendo, albeit a step or two behind on sheer chicness level - the best design they've come up was none other than GBA SP. It was sexy at that time. Virtual Boy, and DS, to be honest, isn't much attractive to look at for my personal taste.
MS design team could use a good designer. It just looks functional, and functionality is good thing - but a little bit more character would be nice rather than somewhat "iffy" concave look on the side.
well. coming from a designer's point of view.
I'm actually excited to see the all the other consoles at E3.
Excitng times, these days are!
lachesis
Nintendo, albeit a step or two behind on sheer chicness level - the best design they've come up was none other than GBA SP. It was sexy at that time. Virtual Boy, and DS, to be honest, isn't much attractive to look at for my personal taste.
MS design team could use a good designer. It just looks functional, and functionality is good thing - but a little bit more character would be nice rather than somewhat "iffy" concave look on the side.
well. coming from a designer's point of view.
I'm actually excited to see the all the other consoles at E3.
Excitng times, these days are!
lachesis
God's Hand
Banned
Looks pretty ugly and unoriginal. But at least it's not as offensive as the original Box.
sony, a hardware company....should have better looking hardware.
that's why it'd be hard to convince me sony could create a better online service than xbox live because MS is a software company.
comanies like apple and nintendo are the best of both worlds and they both do hardware and software well.
that's why it'd be hard to convince me sony could create a better online service than xbox live because MS is a software company.
comanies like apple and nintendo are the best of both worlds and they both do hardware and software well.
OpinionatedCyborg
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It's got a power and force that you've never seen before. It's got the ability to morph and to even up the score. No one can ever take it down. The power lies on its sigh ee igh ee igh ee ide. Go go xbox rangerz.
YOU MIGHTY MORPHING XBOX RANGERS.
YOU MIGHTY MORPHING XBOX RANGERS.
OpinionatedCyborg said:It's got a power and force that you've never seen before. It's got the ability to morph and to even up the score. No one can ever take it down. The power lies on its sigh ee igh ee igh ee ide. Go go xbox rangerz.
YOU MIGHTY MORPHING XBOX RANGERS.
So it IS Backwards compatible!! Only that is an Add on!
Pimpwerx said:
I totally respect your opinion, it's just the way you voice it - don't act like it's fact.
IMO, I like everything about the 'Cube controller. It's worked perfectly for every single game I've played with it, except for CVS2 (for obvious reasons
) and SSX3 (a minor quibble, you can't press B + X very easily ^_^). It's also the most comfortable IMO, and I think it has the best analog stick, and the C-stick, as far as I'm concerned, isn't "unresponsive". I have smaller hands as well, so it suits me fine.MassiveAttack
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Firest0rm said:
Appears to be more than just a strong physical coincidence, does it not?
OpinionatedCyborg
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Oreobox: play the inside first.
In 50 years, xbox 1 and 2's will be used as the main construction component utilized in skyscrapers.
In 50 years, xbox 1 and 2's will be used as the main construction component utilized in skyscrapers.
VictimOfGrief
Banned
I would REALLY like to get my hands on this system. Can't wait for the show this week.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Firest0rm said:
I present OreoBox
Thank you. I needed that. Really, you made my night. :lol
AtomicShroom
Member
Firest0rm said:
I present OreoBox
:lol :lol :lol