Xbox as a console brand seems to be really dying lately can Scarlett change that or will it be a short lived project?

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leo-j said:
Honestly with game streaming taking off, and console controllers being compatible with iPad and iPhone. I'm not seeing PS or XB doing as well next gen. As in maybe 30M Xbox, and 90M ps5? Unless we see a generational leap from the pro and x models, like 8k. 60 FPS at 4K, and graphics that look better than life. To compete with the exploding mobile game market that is going to kill it once we get ps now and Xbox cloud to start working on iOS and Android.
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How many years have we been hearing that now. It was said so much running up to the launch of XB1 and PS4 that i think even Sony and Microsoft bought into it a bit, hense the underpowered consoles that werent being sold at a loss. It never happened of course and combined PS4 and XB1 sales are probably going to match, or even exceed, the 170mil 360/PS3 numbers by the time they are discontinued.
 
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The fact is that they've had a rough generation. Everything else is speculation and, tbh, overreach.

They got off to a bad start and did a lot of early damage to the One's image, which killed their brand momentum. If there is a lack of enthusiasm for their next gen console, it's because this gen's console has had a more limited audience and we haven't bext gen in action yet (nor, more importantly, its games) even though it was kinda/sorta announced WAY early in a desperation move from MS.

Things aren't great at Xbox right now, obviously, but, as Nintendo has shown time and again, a new hardware generation is a clean slate. With the right approach, you can go from the Gamecube to the Wii, from the Wii U to the Switch. With the wrong approach, from the Wii to the Wii U, the PS2 to the PS3, Xbox 360 to the Xbox One.

Let's at least wait and see what they have to offer before we start predicting its failure or success. Those rendering definitive judgements (positive or negative) on next gen consoles sight unseen are fanboys, not mainstream gamers, so you can't judge a console's likely success or actual "hype" based on their feedback anyway.
 
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If sony doesn't fuck up with the announcement(PS3-style) and even manage to show some exclusives(which was something PS4 lacked at first) , there is not much what MS can do besides jumping on the Cloud streaming train.
 
Stuart360 said:
How many years have we been hearing that now. It was said so much running up to the launch of XB1 and PS4 that i think even Sony and Microsoft bought into it a bit, hense the underpowered consoles that werent being sold at a loss. It never happened of course and combined PS4 and XB1 sales are probably going to match, or even exceed, the 170mil 360/PS3 numbers by the time they are discontinued.
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The mobile market ate the DS and the PSP market. And back in 2013 you couldn't really stream HD games or games on ps4 level of quality to any platform for 5 bucks a month.
 
leo-j said:
Honestly with game streaming taking off, and console controllers being compatible with iPad and iPhone. I'm not seeing PS or XB doing as well next gen. As in maybe 30M Xbox, and 90M ps5? Unless we see a generational leap from the pro and x models, like 8k. 60 FPS at 4K, and graphics that look better than life. To compete with the exploding mobile game market that is going to kill it once we get ps now and Xbox cloud to start working on iOS and Android.
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Fortnight , Minecraft , Roblox & GTAV are the biggest games of this decade the younger generation really don't care about graphics that much.
 
Grinchy said:
Yeah, but that's like an actor who is only able to get roles for years because they're married to some major studio executive.
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Is that a reference to Milla Jovovich and the mediocre Resident Evil movies?

Regarding scarlett, too soon, not enough known, it's normal for hype levels to be low.
 
All the studios they bought give me hope. They desperately need more alluring exclusive games. It'll take time, but I'm sure the new investments will pay off.
 
onQ123 said:
What mistakes Microsoft made in the last 4 years? I think they did a good job of righting their wrongs over the last few years but it hasn't changed the tide.
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My original opinion still stands regardless to the answer to this question. I don't really care one way or another lol.
 
onQ123 said:
What mistakes Microsoft made in the last 4 years? I think they did a good job of righting their wrongs over the last few years but it hasn't changed the tide.
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That's what worries me as well. Despite them improving over the years, they still haven't convinced the majority of gamers to pay attention to them again.
 
Xbox was dying in may '14, when sold 59k units in US.
Using a soccer equivalence, microsoft was 0-4, and its finishing 2-4 and showing good pace.
 
Phil Spencer had like total control since 2014? when Don Mattrick got fired. They had a 5 year run to fix things and they did not. All they have done, is to listen to the player base, which is easy.

Except for NT, no Microsoft studio can come up with a good single player narrative. And if we look how much GaaS elements their games have since Ryse, i have no interest at all to be part of said ecosystem.

This generation even the diehard xbox fans have given up. so many 180º, so many promises like VR support and what not. Im sorry, but if we take all this into account i dont see them dominating the industry at all.

What will happen should Halo Infinite not be a Gamepass title? Halo 5 might have been disappointing to some, it is still a console pusher with 6?mill. sold copies. Halo 6 for $1? yeah Microsoft aint that dumb.

Now with 99% of their games being on the PC, why buy an xbox two? Nobody gives a flying wet fuck about Wasteland 3 ; ... I do have high hopes for NTs next project and Microsoft might release a stronger xbox than PS5, but without (the right) software ... they´re just filling their menu a la carte with games from the past.

I dont give a fuck if game X runs at 4K60 or 4K90 or 2K120. And the travesty of RARE ... no Conker game since N64 (non remaster). C´mon how can you suddenly have such high hopes for them to succeed?

Rare gonna be working on Sea of Thieves for the next 10 years ...
 
I love how the idiots here think that people won't stay subscribed to gamepass. When you unsubscribe, you don't have access to the games any longer. So no one get's shit for $1. Not to mention it's a great service.
 
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leo-j said:
Honestly with game streaming taking off, and console controllers being compatible with iPad and iPhone. I'm not seeing PS or XB doing as well next gen. As in maybe 30M Xbox, and 90M ps5? Unless we see a generational leap from the pro and x models, like 8k. 60 FPS at 4K, and graphics that look better than life. To compete with the exploding mobile game market that is going to kill it once we get ps now and Xbox cloud to start working on iOS and Android.
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That's a good one!
I've been hearing the same thing for a couple of generations now, streaming taking off...lol.
Maybe at some point but it's not going to be Stadia.
 
I just bought an Xbox One S to play with for the year that we've got left before Scarlett. There are some games that I want to play on there like Viva Pinata, Red Dead Redemption that aren't on PC. Plus, the novelty with my PC is wearing off now, I'm getting bored, I need a new toy. :p

I got my PS3 out last week to play some games. God, that system is awful compared to what we have now.
 
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GamePass Ultimate + BC has me sold on a Scarlett. Sony's going to need more than over-the-shoulder 3rd person cinematic games running on 60fps with no load times thanks to NVMe to sell me on a PS5 right away. Maybe include BC beyond the PS4.
 
I remember not getting console bickering back in the 90s, and now, like almost 30 years later... I'm just so over it.
 
Hard to take OP seriously, I mean this is obvious bait but to humor the OP, nah it's not dying. Can't celebrate yet!


Virex said:
You can't say anything negative about Xbox on Neogaf dude. You just can't. There are too many people here that will go through your post history because they at hart are little children who can't actually read a post.

On the other hand. I don't think it's dying. Not as popular as the PS4 or Switch. But far from a dead brand. And I'm sure Scarlett wil do fine. Brand loyalty doesnt really exist much anymore. Many people jumped from 360 to Ps4. If the Scarlett is a better system than the ps5. Many people will jump on the Microsoft console bandwagon.
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I disagree about not being able to say anything bad about Xbox, the console gets shit on quite a bit. Just because a thread has a positive Xbox article doesn't mean it has positive responses, every thread has so much negativity. Between that and the DF/Thrash threads, yeah I don't think we are reading the same forum lol.
 
I wouldn't say it seems to be dying but I don't really see many people talk about xbox anymore. Everybody and their dog had a 360 when it came out. Now it seems like PS4 is everybody's console of choice. Gears, Forza and Halo only take you so far.
 
The moment they allowed their gaming library to be accessible by PC's was essentially throwing in the towel on already having a superior alternative to consoles with around a hundred times the user base.

Sony on the other hand continues to get the best exclusive content and is doing just fine.
 
You would be blind to argue that Microsoft didnt limp out of the gate with the xbox one, bad business choices and PR, choosing to keep the peripheral of the Kinect, not to mention a higher price point than its more superior competition certainly hurt Microsoft this generation.

However to ignore the steps they have taken to improve themselves this generation would also be blind, from the backwards compatibility with the original xbox and Xbox 360, To the extremely well designed game pass, to the cross play with pc, to the EA access that at the time was exclusive only to their system...

To be fair Microsoft still is making large leaps as far as good business decisions such as partnering up with Nintendo when it comes to certain games, I never would have thought that to be the case but here we are...

That of course is not even taking into account the brilliant design of the xbox One X, I'm a playstation gamer mostly, and most my gaming is done on their system, but I cannot deny how well designed Microsoft's midway system was and clearly a much higher jump in comparison to the Playstations Pro...

All that having been said the future of Microsoft is in a bit of a transitional period. Perhaps an inner struggle occurring within the company between a more digital platform in the future and continuing the current physical platform AKA the Skarlet, in the future who knows we might Be playing xbox games on everything, or the playstation 6 and the Xbox Indigo could be the next big thing.

It ultimately depends on how Microsoft handles things going forward, but Hey I can at least respect the work Microsoft has done to heal the brand after the beginning of this generation and It must be extremely frustrating for the heads of of the company watching the diminishing returns and criticism when in the grand scheme of things in my opinion they deserve more.
 
Hinedorf said:
The moment they allowed their gaming library to be accessible by PC's was essentially throwing in the towel on already having a superior alternative to consoles with around a hundred times the user base.

Sony on the other hand continues to get the best exclusive content and is doing just fine.
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What about playing God of War on the PC, which you can do right now?
 
brap said:
I wouldn't say a shitty streaming service directly competes with actually being able to download a game and play it normally.
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But the claim is you don't need to buy an Xbox to play those games, and with PS Now you don't have to buy a PS4.
 
LMJ said:
You would be blind to argue that Microsoft didnt limp out of the gate with the xbox one, bad business choices and PR, choosing to keep the peripheral of the Kinect, not to mention a higher price point than its more superior competition certainly hurt Microsoft this generation.

However to ignore the steps they have taken to improve themselves this generation would also be blind, from the backwards compatibility with the original xbox and Xbox 360, To the extremely well designed game pass, to the cross play with pc, to the EA access that at the time was exclusive only to their system...

To be fair Microsoft still is making large leaps as far as good business decisions such as partnering up with Nintendo when it comes to certain games, I never would have thought that to be the case but here we are...

That of course is not even taking into account the brilliant design of the xbox One X, I'm a playstation gamer mostly, and most my gaming is done on their system, but I cannot deny how well designed Microsoft's midway system was and clearly a much higher jump in comparison to the Playstations Pro...

All that having been said the future of Microsoft is in a bit of a transitional period. Perhaps an inner struggle occurring within the company between a more digital platform in the future and continuing the current physical platform AKA the Skarlet, in the future who knows we might Be playing xbox games on everything, or the playstation 6 and the Xbox Indigo could be the next big thing.

It ultimately depends on how Microsoft handles things going forward, but Hey I can at least respect the work Microsoft has done to heal the brand after the beginning of this generation and It must be extremely frustrating for the heads of of the company watching the diminishing returns and criticism when in the grand scheme of things in my opinion they deserve more.
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They didn't limp out the gate Xbox One had the biggest launch of any Xbox console. Kinect brought Xbox success I'm not sure why people kept trying to blame Xbox One's shortcomings on Kinect & even if Kinect was bringing Xbox One down it was removed from the Xbox One within the 1st 8 months of the Xbox One's release & a whole new Xbox One has been released since Kinect why keep using Kinect as an excuse?
 
Nah, considering that it sold like 40-50 million, that's very far from a failure, WiiU sold like 17 million or less and Nintendo was still going on strong.

Sony sold like 85 million PS3, that's half from PS2, and all the jokes as I can remember, were because their other divisions were failing hard that they had to be sold.

Virex said:
You can't say anything negative about Xbox on Neogaf dude. You just can't. There are too many people here that will go through your post history because they at hart are little children who can't actually read a post.

On the other hand. I don't think it's dying. Not as popular as the PS4 or Switch. But far from a dead brand. And I'm sure Scarlett wil do fine. Brand loyalty doesnt really exist much anymore. Many people jumped from 360 to Ps4. If the Scarlett is a better system than the ps5. Many people will jump on the Microsoft console bandwagon.
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What? I know Neogaf from years before finally joining in and knew that it was considered the Pro-Sony camp. I don't even know what are the OP posts.

But yeah, I agree with the second paragraph.
 
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MS started this generation with the equivalent of a tongue made of shit while trying to insist everyone should french kiss them.

It's quite awe inspiring to see the degree to which executives - desperate for shareholders to wank over their imaginary growth opportunities - can kill a hard earned golden goose.

And no. That's no too many metaphors for one sentence.

But on the other hand, this is an onQ123 thread. It worse than the reveal tent by default.
 
Will they beat out sony and the ps5? Highly unlikely. Will they continue to have enough success going forward? Yes.

Do I personally gonna buy an xbox product? No, cause they have zero games that interest me and I doubt anything will change that, including the titles from studios aquired, judging by their previous outputs.
 
What? Microsoft didnt do too bad last gen, hell I DOUBT anyone thought the 360 would sell as well as it did. Microsoft just announced DRM too far ahead, also they didn't really show a lot of new games. I think if they start off with some new IP and if halo infinite is good. They will be ok. It will be hard to outsell PlayStation worldwide but they shouldn't be super far behind again in sales.
 
I'm looking forward to seeing the new Fable, the next Ninja Theory game (the one after Bleeding Edge), and what The Initiative comes up with. Beyond that, there's nothing there that interests me, so it's hard to get excited. Those titles are all probably at least 2 years away.
 
IMO Sony has been using the smartest aproach, they really want to follow the Nintendo path with high quality exclusive AAA franchises, they have Uncharted, GoW, TLoU, Horizon all selling more than 10 million copies and even in a world where the whole console market dies Nintendo and Sony games would be fine and people would still buy machines for the next Naughty Dog, Insomniac or Kojima game just like people buy Mario or Zelda
 
Love me some negative Xbox threads to wash out all the positive ones...it's like some people have to have a overbalance of negative news if their desired platform has some negative news or one platform has a lot of positive posts.
 
hunthunt said:
IMO Sony has been using the smartest aproach, they really want to follow the Nintendo path with high quality exclusive AAA franchises, they have Uncharted, GoW, TLoU, Horizon all selling more than 10 million copies and even in a world where the whole console market dies Nintendo and Sony games would be fine and people would still buy machines for the next Naughty Dog, Insomniac or Kojima game just like people buy Mario or Zelda
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Look at the games you listed. Aside from Horizon they're all basically the same: third person cinematic "prestige" games where you traverse down linear corridors in between cutscenes that run so long your controller idles out and turns off. I'm bored of those now. I liked Horizon and Days Gone because they weren't one of those games.

I think it lessens the definition of a game if the prestige game director is more proud of the time spent in the motion capture volume than the gameplay. It's the Kojima syndrome where they want to make movies more than games.
 
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