VAVA Mk2
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We begged for it (mainly Bonnie Ross and Frankie) to leave after MCC released and was dogshit. Bonnie Ross is to Halo what Kathleen Kennedy is to Star Wars.
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Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Addresses Studio Closures: "I have to run a bussiness"
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
Member
It's not about making games for MS, it's about making money and seeing the ROI.
Making games is just one of the means to that end.
Gamepass is another.
Publishing on every platform is another.
Hardware is another.
Sheesh, when will it be clear that MS is NOT a videogame company, and they do not care how gamers feel.
Yes, they own some of the best video game IP.
If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense.
Making games is just one of the means to that end.
Gamepass is another.
Publishing on every platform is another.
Hardware is another.
Sheesh, when will it be clear that MS is NOT a videogame company, and they do not care how gamers feel.
Yes, they own some of the best video game IP.
If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense.
So then why is Xbox still around? The 360 had 2 good year beyond that the brand has consistently been under performing and burning cash. Gen 3&4 have been absolute disasters
So none of their brand makes sense then. These arguments don’t make sense. The whole it’s a business argument is a smoke screen for bad decisions. If Xbox as a whole was run this way the brand wouldn’t even exist.
clarky
Gold Member
i'll quote myself and GHG from earlier in the thread seen as you can't be arsed reading it.
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
Member
They're aren't arguments, they're facts.
Profit is a Major Driver: Microsoft is a business, and like any business, making money is a primary objective. Xbox is a division within Microsoft, and its success is measured by financial performance.
Multiple Revenue Streams: Xbox generates revenue through various means, including game sales, subscriptions like Game Pass, hardware sales (consoles, controllers, etc.), and potentially publishing deals with other developers.
Focus on ROI (Return on Investment): Microsoft will invest in projects with the potential for a good return. This applies to game development, service features, and hardware decisions. Those projects that don't fit the bill, get cut, hence Arkane Austin, etc.
Sure, games are central to the Xbox brand but don't think for a second that they care if gamers are mad about their decisions, especially if they took a loss.
I never said they make good decisions.
Radical_3d
Member
This is the same western mentality of business that has ruined Sony as well.
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
Member
You're correct, sir.
The only one who undestand their value proposition is Nintendo.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Radical_3d
Member
That those greedy fucks of Nintendo are the last bastion of traditional gaming depresses me to no end. But I can’t complain since I’ve voted with my wallet for the today’s Sony and XBox. Getting angry on GAF solves nothing. We should start sending a message buying Nintendo stuff. Instead of that I’m going to buy a PS5Pro because I’m trash.
cartman414
Member
Because they're still eastern oriented.
bender
What time is it?
Killjoy-NL
Member
Well, yeah. That's his job and you can't run a company based on feelings.
Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
What irks me in this response are two things:
1. There is no way he didn’t know this question will come up, I’m sure IGN was required to send all the questions for pre-approval
2. “I have a business to run” screams passive aggressive and not professional, it’s a very defensive response. Ok, you have a business to run - run it better. You have the financial resources of one of the largest companies in the world, current market cap 3 trillion USD. It’s obvious from recent acquisitions he has the support of Microsoft top management, you don’t release ABK funds based on feelings. You were at this job for 10 years now, there is no excuse for how poorly that was handled.
Killjoy-NL
Member
You're not wrong, but neither is he.
At the end of the day, it is business and Xbox isn't doing well at all.
So likely studios like Tango didn't meet expectations.
Embearded
Member
It's true, they have to run a business and if it made sense from a business point of view then they made the right choice.
The problems with these suits start when they act like they are running the business not for profit but to keep us satisfied, like we are friends. They make fanboys believe their opinion has substance when it doesn't.
I would much rather prefer it if they were straight from the beginning and in the end if they had the balls to say "look, you spend billions annually on shitty GaaS games and subscriptions, of course we 'll be chasing that and try to take more of your money, we are here because of you".
The problems with these suits start when they act like they are running the business not for profit but to keep us satisfied, like we are friends. They make fanboys believe their opinion has substance when it doesn't.
I would much rather prefer it if they were straight from the beginning and in the end if they had the balls to say "look, you spend billions annually on shitty GaaS games and subscriptions, of course we 'll be chasing that and try to take more of your money, we are here because of you".
You didn't articulate it very well but I am mostly in agreement with you and feel almost the same way - no matter what consumers like you and I want it doesn't matter because our voices aren't loud enough or aren't on the trend so ultimately shikata ga nai.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
DarthPutin
Member
That's basically what Phil looks like nowadays. Not judging, just sayin'. I also need to eat less.Go on, teach him how it's done, sitting on your desk while eating some Doritos.
MethodRed
Member
Because is a woke company
STARSBarry
Gold Member
Angry_Megalodon
Member
So Stellar Blade, Astrobot, Phantom Blade, Death Stranding... these games are from California?
No. A full business unit at Sony is 100% committed to fund and develop Asian games that otherwise wouldn't exist, so enough with the SonyToo bulshit.
Spank_Magnet
The Male Lewinsky
Amazing to think that everything shown last night is a direct result of binning off Tango etc. a few short weeks ago. ;-)Given how amazing the Xbox showcase was, I'd say he's trimming the fat in the correct way.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
What a load of corporate horseshit. MS are a three trillion dollar company. If they wanted to keep developers running to create games, they fucking would.
Honestly, if you still think this fat, useless cunt is a good person to be leading the Xbox division then have a word with yourself.
Honestly, if you still think this fat, useless cunt is a good person to be leading the Xbox division then have a word with yourself.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Also, well done to the OP for spelling bussiness wrong. Makes Phil sound like a snake.
Perfect.
Perfect.
BacklashWave534
Member
It's actually pretty simple. They are pulling thier profits from Azure to make the aquisitions in the hope that they will be a good investment. The choices they have make in studio closures is still stupid though. It's almost like he picked two names out of a hat.
Dr. Wilkinson
Gold Member
You ask the question as if you don’t already know the answer. But gotta go for the cheap post!
Dr. Wilkinson
Gold Member
A year is a really long time, especially in videogames. And we know hardly anyone was left at the studio anyway. They keep studios funded and going based on what they’re working on in the future. Not what they used to do. What happened was extremely predictable and shouldn’t have come as a shock to anyone.
Microsoft is not planning to shut Redfall studio Arkane Austin | VGC
Xbox says it should have done a better job supporting the Bethesda studio…www.videogameschronicle.com
Edit: to clarify, I know this is an old article, it just sounds like they said some bullshit back then given what happened later.
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Doom85
Gold Member
But hey, you were right, it was extremely predictable…..as in extremely predictable that Phil and co. would pull this shit and then also not keep their mouths shut about it but just dig themselves in deeper.
Also, maybe actually read the article I listed. Matt Booty said Xbox themselves should be held accountable for how they handled Arkane (so you know, I’m just doing what he asked), and he wants to support them to keep working to deliver the game they promised.
Which is what they were doing: https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/r...fore-microsoft-closed-arkane-austin-for-good/
Oh, hmm……
FeralEcho
Member
Tomi
Member
Because they can?
clarky
Gold Member
Unless im mistaken, Halo 4 &5 sold millions and the upper management all got fired over infinite, but sure buddy.*looks at halo 4,5, and infinite*
Sure buddy.
I think it's a matter of preference like he just didn't like seeing a b-rated resident evil game as well as a b-rated devil may cry as for the other game he canceled awhile ago, he just ain't going in that rabbit hole anymore.
Frwrd
Member
Co-signed.
