lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
I highly doubt thats how it works.
Seems more like marketing talk to me.
And i also doubt Starlink would eliminate all the input lag as well.
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Xbox Cloud Streaming Won't Replace Consoles, Microsoft Says
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Seems more like marketing talk to me.
And i also doubt Starlink would eliminate all the input lag as well.
ManaByte
Member
Nah it works great. I have a friend using it. I’m in the beta but it wasn’t worth me buying the modem for 100m down when I have fiber.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
yea but does it applys the same for other users?
I mean people have been saying streaming works great for them but works shiet for me.
ManaByte
Member
I was talking about Starlink.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
yes im using streaming as an example, how do you know starlink is going to work the same for everybody else? like no internet dropout and interference, input lag free etc....
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Up to 20ms isn't bad for LAN.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
A lot of it depends on your distance from the data center. I live less than 50 miles from the Azure hub in Tampa, FL, and it works well enough for me for anything other than fast twitch games. Halo works fine for me, Doom does not.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
The guy says it’s a viable alternative. You’ve piped up to say “yes, the guy says it’s not a viable alternative”. How does that work?
And no, it’s not about how ‘corporates exaggerate’. There’s absolutely nothing implausible about what he said. Even now, there’s plenty of folks getting a great experience with streaming services. And they’ll continue to improve.
We will definitely still have physical consoles. Because it’s that same standardized hardware that will be in the cloud, and will be the basis of devkits sent to devs. So no real sense in making a console and not selling to customers.
Hardware also drives retail and can be profitable down the line. You don’t get that with cloud streaming.
It will be untold ages before everything goes cloud.
Hezekiah
Banned
He said it's not the replacement many dunderheads seem to believe it is, and says it's a great alternative, which anybody who isn't a naive sychophant like you will likely be able to see through.
II_JumPeR_I
Member
Do you use HDR?
nominedomine
Banned
Streaming games over the cloud is boring, even it works flawlessly what is the point? I much rather play something like the Switch on the go and if I'm at home cloud makes no sense.
A more creative use of the power of the cloud would've been something in the line of what they promised with the Xbox One and Crackdown but they failed miserably to deliver on that.
A more creative use of the power of the cloud would've been something in the line of what they promised with the Xbox One and Crackdown but they failed miserably to deliver on that.
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oldergamer
Member
it seems the obvious is lost on some?You mean what they've been saying for the last four years?
Streaming Won't Replace Traditional Consoles, Says Phil Spencer
In a recent interview during the X018, Xbox head Phil Spencer has shared his thought about the possibility that streaming could be replacing traditionalwww.gamepur.com
oldergamer
Member
now that comparison lacks any sense
Lucifers Beard
Member
They've been saying this for ages. This isn't news and if you weren't already convinced then you never will be.
Makoto-Yuki
Gold Member
duuh lol.
consoles and PCs aren't going anywhere. streaming is aimed at people who don't want to buy a £350-450 box and pay £60-70/game. they want to pay a £10-15/month subscription to play games on their phone/tablet or TV.
obviously there will be some overlap and, if you want, you can stream games to your plastic box or PC.
consoles and PCs aren't going anywhere. streaming is aimed at people who don't want to buy a £350-450 box and pay £60-70/game. they want to pay a £10-15/month subscription to play games on their phone/tablet or TV.
obviously there will be some overlap and, if you want, you can stream games to your plastic box or PC.
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Sorcerer
Member
I think the question is also, in order for the cloud to take over, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, etc... are going to have to finally decide to give up on retail altogether. How much would it hurt these companies to no longer have a retail presence in stores? I believe they can still reach the hardcore gamer through their respective dashboards and internet advertising, but what about the mass market in general?
TrebleShot
Member
Hehe this is how it all starts "Streaming Music will not replace physical media, the quality and actually owning an album can never be replaced".
They said the same for Movies and TV also.
They know its a way off but its started and the market will indicate which way it goes - it will likely end up in the cheapest and easiest way to access the best games at reasonable quality that will be STREAMING.
Want to play the latest Halo? guess what you can stream it on your phone/tablet and laptop right now!
They said the same for Movies and TV also.
They know its a way off but its started and the market will indicate which way it goes - it will likely end up in the cheapest and easiest way to access the best games at reasonable quality that will be STREAMING.
Want to play the latest Halo? guess what you can stream it on your phone/tablet and laptop right now!
Makoto-Yuki
Gold Member
if they ditch retail it will hurt but i think it's only a matter of time. physical games are not as popular anymore so in 5-10 years it could be an easy move to abandon retail. the music/movie industry has managed that transition just fine. gamers are stubborn but they just need to embrace the digital future. going into a store to pick up a game will hopefully soon be a thing of the past.
crackajack
Member
I am rather insensitive to low fps, and I only played some hours PS Plus via a certainly not optimal 4G Router, it feels most of the time okayish, but even for me noticeable and besides visual novel games, where it doesn't matter, I guess only Easy modes are sufficiently playable.
I wonder if, similar to PS3's P2P MP system, instead of concentrated cloud serverfarms it would not be much more performant to use real hardware ideally from your next door neighbor. Everyone who agreed to participate to be host, for free games, free gamepass, free HW or whatever. Not only provide cloud access to specific few points in each country, rather distribute the available HW via the sales you anyway don't want to miss, and reduce distances for those physical limits. Like car sharing, HW sharing. An open shareplay accompanying the cloud service.
Topher
Identifies as young
But the gaming market isn't entirely about the "cheapest and easiest". PC gaming proves that. And that's what makes it different from music, movies, and TV. Do you think PC gamers who already scoff at console gaming are going to be more accepting of game streaming? I don't see that at all. Likewise, I don't see publishers taking their games away from local gaming either. As long as there is a market these corporations will sell to that market.
MarkMe2525
Banned
Why does the same topic keep getting posted over and over? This has been stated multiple times, by multiple MS execs, in multiple ways. It is not news worthy nor thread worthy everytime that happens.
Roni
Member
You don't own the hardware on which the game is running, you rent time to use it.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They want this as viable as Office 365.
oldergamer
Member
Because if it sounds negative an involves ms or xbox it get posted over and over on gaf despite any information that contradicts the op.
How many times after ms doubled down on consoles did topics come up about ms exiting the console biz? Way too often for something they denied and is obvious to anyone not already convinced.
Topher
Identifies as young
What? A MS executive saying streaming will not replace consoles is not a negative article about MS or Xbox. The topic of streaming isn't just about Microsoft. It is about the entire industry. Sorry, but this persecution complex some have about Microsoft is getting absurd.
TheGodfather07
Member
That's because most people still don't care about streaming games. It needs to improve alot before even being considered a replacement for actual hardware and local gaming. I think we're still a long way off but things can change way more than we expect in 10 years.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
I refuse to believe some of you people don't see streaming for what it is, MS attempting to tap into the extreme low end of the gaming market. Don't want to spend $300 on a Series S, here's Gamepass on your tablet and TV. League of Legends is literally the only game you play, here's Gamepass to unlock everything. Nephew shipped you and your kids his X1X after upgrading to next gen, here's Gamepass to stave off the next gen purchase for at least a few years.
These three scenarios are 3 actual people in my life who are now GP subscribers who otherwise wouldn't be.
These three scenarios are 3 actual people in my life who are now GP subscribers who otherwise wouldn't be.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
I don't think he is saying that this particular article is negative only that when MS says something that clearly ISN'T negative people pop in and spin it as negative regardless. This thread is filled with people claiming MS is 'lying' and is planning on replacing console gaming with cloud streaming even with no evidence to support the claim. It has nothing to do with 'persecution complex' but with a general attitude of dislike against MS no matter what they do or say. You see persecution complex, I see conspiracy theories. It is what it is.
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Topher
Identifies as young
No, that's not what he said. "if it sounds negative an involves ms or xbox it get posted over and over on gaf". And yes, that is a persecution complex that many here share.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I mean, you can't blame them. They do have a history of EEE, FUD, Anti-Trust, Always Online, and making their entire productivity suites pushed into the subscription online/streamed essentially arena and even talks of wanting to make their OS revisions eventually online only "cloud based" in the future with a sub service.
Hard to give the benefit of the doubt, and also, not a "bash" to say a company would love nothing more than to have enough subscribers to never have to spend R&D and production of consumer boxes, just charge them a sub for their always pushing of the Azure and cloud based infrastructures.
All companies would love this. Cut out the middle man.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Sony already announced last year they were profiting off the PS5, I am sure the same is for the XSX,.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They didn't say either of those things but thanks for The Concern ™
SportsFan581
Member
Maybe I'm not understanding what you are referencing. A 20ms ping from one machine to another on the same lan seems very high. I can ping a printer on the opposite end of the house with both the printer and PC using wifi and the ping is 2ms. PC to router is just a 1ms from the PCs I have, phones and tablets typically 2-3ms. Maybe that's not what you are talking about.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Stop stealing my memes. Get your own material.
Maybe I'm not understanding what you are referencing. A 20ms ping from one machine to another on the same lan seems very high. I can ping a printer on the opposite end of the house with both the printer and PC using wifi and the ping is 2ms. PC to router is just a 1ms from the PCs I have, phones and tablets typically 2-3ms. Maybe that's not what you are talking about.
From what I can look up, anything below 150~ can be considered decent .. by that metric 20ms is actually not that bad.
Mephisto40
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Captain Toad
Banned
Isn't every Xbox game already on Steam Deck?
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
SportsFan581
Member
I50ms from machine to machine on LAN, wow, that's not something I've ever seen before. I can ping London on the public internet at 110ms (from FL USA).
I'm with these people https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/683094-what-is-the-average-latency-in-ms-on-a-lan I don't think there is an excuse for a local network to run more than a ms or two with modern equipment. Realistically you will be sub-1ms in most instances (the basic windows terminal ping just starts at one, but maybe you can get it to return a decimal value, have no idea LOL). Even using WiFi everywhere I'm 1-2ms on PCs/printers with a bit more on mobiles like I said.
I guess if you've got multiple N77-C7710s going you could pull it off. In large DCs you can sometimes see 15-20ms to local networks (DNS servers, etc.), but I'm assuming they've got a more complex network going.
If you guys are talking from inside game lobbies and that kind of thing, that's different since you are adding that software layer into the mix. Some games were always better than others in that regard.
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