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Xbox confirms it's banning Baldur's Gate 3 players due to in-game nudity turn on
Fess
Member
lol oh my
GHG
Gold Member
You said it was a practice of Sony's under Shawn's leadership and that it barely happens anymore. I gave you a recent example andadamsapple gave you other examples. You are wrong. Not sure why you are looking at reddit when you could just read the article from the developer which details the changes made for the console releases.
There have been two specific changes to the game across all platforms. Specifically, the Salvation Ranger introduction and Junior’s flashback have had small alterations made to them. Whether or not to make these changes was not easy to decide, but ultimately it became an exciting prospect to alter some content in a small way in hopes that it welcomes and includes more players.
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In a similar vein, a few more changes were made on PlayStation only in order to launch the game on that platform, but we're happy to say that none of them affect the meaning and intent of LISA. For the PlayStation version of LISA, we’ve added a notice about the protagonists at the beginning of the game. Additionally, cigarettes have been renamed to ‘cigarette candy,’ Joy is no longer referred to as ‘pills,’ and alcohol has been renamed as ‘soda’ in Joyful only (characters still drink alcohol in Painful). Basically, the changes are not a big deal. We just wanted to make everyone aware of it in advance, because we know that LISA fans will notice it as a difference from the original games.
You not knowing what the game is doesn't invalidate the example. No one said they are an open platform and no one said they can't censor games that appear on their platform. The fact remains that they still censor games often and in the example I listed, are more aggressive in their censorship than other platforms, including Nintendo.
WTF, so they butchered Lisa to re-release it?
Where we are heading is worrying to say the least, I'm not sure the original version of Lisa even gets made (nevermind released) in current-day, which is a great shame.
This is it in a nutshell for me.
bender
What time is it?
Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
Yes, it's called Sex Ed. and exists in Western nations for decades now.
DryvBy
Member
I wasn't aware that GAF was selling Baldur's Gate III to play on GAF. Will I get achievements?
Skifi28
Member
Vlodril
Member
YouTube had no problems with it not sure why you think so. Neither does twitch. Witcher 3 sex scenes from a stream no problems on both sites. Local record of Conan exiles no problems. Both games had full frontal nudity Witcher in cutscenes and Conan whenever you wanted.
nemiroff
Gold Member
I suspect you're smarter than the tone of that response. I don't have all the confident answers, but obviously the point is that TOS and nudity (and vs violence) is a larger overarching discussion about the temperature of society rules which both we, the owners of gaf, and MS has to deal with. And in this specific case there's also a technical contextual element of the autoupload settings to be considered, which may be what MS is actually responsible for. Nuance, context, it's important.. ...Unless you really enjoy a dumbed down discussion of course.
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bitbydeath
Gold Member
Tag worthy.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
This is the only thing in which MS is in tight competition with Sony. Hard to say which of the two is dumber.
Horseganador
Member
They launch it 3-4 months late because of series S, a month later it still has the problem of saving the game (something very serious), they ban you if you take screenshots, of course Xbox seems like the worst place to enjoy the goty.
Lucifers Beard
Member
Banning because of in game nudity? For fuck sakes lol. We live in a world where videos of limbs being hacked or blown off are fine, but oh no! Don't you dare show off any tits and ass and god forbid someone sees anything below the belt line!!
Get your shit together Xbox, this is the wrong message to send.
Get your shit together Xbox, this is the wrong message to send.
ManaByte
Banned
That's on Larian. No other game has the problem they're having. I'm almost done with AC: Mirage and I've been cross-platform syncing saves via UbiConnect with no problems.
gaming_again
Member
Well those are the values that built America, for better or worse. It kind of makes sense. I'd like to see how a country with a foundation of big natural titties develops.
deeptech
Member
Modern companies and people with dark ages attitudes, I wonder for how long will it last in our curious times? Nudity was always funny to be censored in the civilized world, considering everyone is nude all the time beneath their clothes, and in many other instances. Somehow, this alienation from our own basic nature seems quite absurd. The only thing it seems good for is that it makes nudity special and more attractive and in some forms even artistic, but I don't believe at all this is the reason for demonization and censorship. Rather, naked, one seems more unrestrained, wild and free, and obviously anally retentive, control bent society cannot stand this.
I just had to use this occasion to bring my opinion around it forward, in other words, both censorship as well as MS can eat shit.
I just had to use this occasion to bring my opinion around it forward, in other words, both censorship as well as MS can eat shit.
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
Fuck apparantly I ended up on Resetera...... Strange... Thought this was GAF.
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
Personal use and broadcasting to the world are 2 different things. Oh and read the ToS from Sony, MS, Nintendo etc when it comes to streaming/ broadcasting.
Yeah, you agreed with it. Donut.
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mejin
Member
Not for this game at least.
To be fair to them, it’s partly our fault (British). We experimented a bit back in the day, exporting our most puritanical nutters over to the new world, and all our criminals to Australia.
BlackTron
Gold Member
Not really. Completely false equivalence.
Just because you make a certain type of content available doesn't mean that all of it should be OK to share publicly using your services. Example, you rent a R rated movie from Blockbuster. Therefore, it's implied that any frame of that movie is appropriate to post on a sign outside Blockbuster. They made it available! That's completely laughable, yet exactly what everyone is saying in this case. In one case it's an adult customer seeking out this content, and in the other, sharing it in a public space where anyone can stumble upon it.
The big conflict comes in when this policy, which is frankly understandable from a game company, is paired with auto-uploading. It should be turned off by default, but this is MS's self interest for both its reputation, and free publicity from user generated videos, clashing and leaving customers paying for it. What really makes this bullshit, is that they probably won't turn auto upload off even after this.
Will they get banned again next time is the question…
The only reason this is BS is because you wouldn't think they would make it that easy to get banned with default settings and not even think of it. If you already got banned for this once though you have no excuse not to turn auto upload off lol.
jasondefaoite
Member
Not Hot Dog
ReBurn
Gold Member
This isn't censorship, though. This is Microsoft not letting people use cloud storage to save their library of BG3 naked titty pics. Censorship would be not letting BG3 have naked titties at all.
Microsoft should default automatic game capture uploads to off and not automatically share game captures to profiles for M-rated titles. At least make people choose to share it before banning them.
ManaByte
Banned
Wrong, this is about them not allowing people to SHARE their titty pics. You can capture them. Sharing them would be the same as posting nudity here.
DryvBy
Member
The dictionary disagrees. This is censorship. If you suppress images, you are censoring.
You don't have to defend Xbox, they have big boy bucks. In this case, I'd defend the censorship using removal and rethinking the auto upload of screenshots shared public ally or do what Steam allows and spoiler certain shots.
ManaByte
Banned
90% of places don't allow you to share nudity, including GAF. Even Tumblr stopped that. X is the only place that still allows it, and it's dying.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
You are grossly misconstruing the issue. Microsoft allows video upload/sharing, but they have ToS that state no nudity. Microsoft didn't make Baldur's Gate 3. Larian Studios did. The only way this overly-simplified analogy of yours would work would be if Baldur's Gate 3 were a first-party title.
YouTube does have a problem with it, they are just wildly inconsistent with their moderation. You can Google it and see for yourself that many people have had issues with The Witcher 3 content getting taken down, and sometimes the same user will have other content from the same game that doesn't get taken down. YouTube moderation itself is chaotic, and everyone has known that for a long time.
Twitch is essentially a porn site now, so that particular rebuttal means nothing.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes.
Xbox Support
support.xbox.com
That ain't censorship. The game content itself is not censored in any way.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
I'm not defending Xbox. You're being pedantic. None of the console platforms allow sharing of nudity or explicit images. Microsoft doesn't prevent people from taking their pictures or clips. But they're not obligated to host or share them, and not allowing it isn't suppression or censorship.
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IFireflyl
Gold Member
DryvBy
Member
Yes.
Xbox Support
That ain't censorship. The game content itself is not censored in any way.
What do you believe censorship is if not the suppression of images? I'm going to trust a book that gives the definition of words over someone that makes a habit of defending Phil Spencer.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Good on you for googling the word
The content of the game that the gamers are playing is not censored. Their ToS says you cannot upload in-game content with nudity to their servers. These are two completely different things.
Even you, yourself, talk about what you saw 'when i played', not about what you uploaded on social media. You get full orc dong when playing the game on Xbox as well.
Take a breather, chief. You're winded.
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CuteFaceJay
Member
It's an interesting business for sure.
VectorVictor
Member
You're asking for console fanboys to use common sense and not start hyperbolic posts that are firmly dancing over the line of falsehood?
Then where will all of the new post topics come from?
DryvBy
Member
Good on you for googling the word
The content of the game that the gamers are playing is not censored. Their ToS says you cannot upload in-game content with nudity to their servers. These are two completely different things.
Even you, yourself, talk about what you saw 'when i played', not about what you uploaded on social media. You get full orc dong when playing the game on Xbox as well.
Take a breather, chief. You're winded.
Right, so you never gave the definition of censorship. I don't need to Google the word because it's not a complex word.
Your definition means that Sony and Nintendo have never censored because their rules for certain products are to not have X and Y objects in games. In a sense breaking the licensing ToS. But we both know that's still censorship and we both know you'll do anything to defend Brand X.
mitch1971
Member
Ok, but you first.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If you take a second to stop googling words and accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being 'defenders', you'll see it's pretty easy.
You, yourself, said that you didn't see any censorship playing the game. People playing the game on Xbox are also not seeing any censorship.
To your second point, developers from multiple games have come out and said how they had to make changes to a games content for it to be certified on playstation (Lisa, Martha is Dead and there's a whole youtube channel devoted to these kind of things), that is not the same thing as uploading an image on social media.
It really shouldn't be this difficult to distinguish between the two scenarios but here you are.
VectorVictor
Member
It's already free (well, after paying $70 for the game). This is screen capture we're talking about, not the game itself. Two different, distinct things. And another poster already provided the ToS that show uploading the free tiddy is a no-no.
nowhat
Gold Member
So, again. Why is uploading on by default if there can be consequences like this?
DryvBy
Member
3rd try: what does censorship mean? And again, I don't need to Google a simple word like censorship but apparently you're having an extreme difficult time understanding what that word means.
So define the word or shut up.
NickFire
Member
This is the main / only real issue IMO.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think there's some real fundamental issues of understanding going on here.
You seem to be thinking that there is censorship for people playing BG3 on Xbox.
There is no censorship for the people playing the game.
Why don't you define how the game is censored on Xbox so I can try to understand where you're coming from.
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systemr123
Banned
Everything and life in that country will be perfect forever.
Dr_Ifto
Member
Are XBOX uploads visible by anyone, or just by those you share with? Even if they are visible to anyone, should age gate content and not ban people. If moderators have to view things and see if its an offense, they should just block the content and notify the user. This is bad practice.