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Xbox division down $4,000,000,000
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â Narayan
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Far from it.LM4sure said:
..pakbeka..
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Cerrius said:
but you can play that on a pc
wobedraggled
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Speevy said:
I never claimed Ninty to be perfect, I remember the price fixing/gouging dev pressuring days, but Nec/Hudson doesn't make a console anymore so I gotta defend someone.
siamesedreamer
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And be stuck with shitty controllers and half assed online features?
..pakbeka.. said:
Its still under MGS published games, which is his point. The sequel will debut on Xbox 360, its part of a number of successful franchises with enough quality to set MS apart from other publishers. HAlo, Forza, Fable, PDZero,PGR, Kameo, Ninty Nine Nights, Phantom Dust, Jade Empire, Lost Odysee, Blue Dragon. Plenty of quality now and in the future
Letter to Elise
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wobedraggled said:
Are you aware of nintendo's history? Please don't let yourself be blinded.
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Letter to Elise said:
to be fair, nintendo doesnt act that way anymore.. MS on the other hand is pretty damn bad..
wobedraggled
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quadriplegicjon said:
Exactly, Nintendo learned thier lesson, and moved on.
Microsoft on the other hand does the same crap all along and doesn't get anything but petty punishments for it.
Java/MS Java
Netscape/IE
Flash/Sparkle
so on and so forth.
Letter to Elise
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quadriplegicjon said:
IMO they don't because they are no longer in power to do so.
Not sure what Microsoft has done in the videogame field lately or at all.
Care to share some of their offenses? I'm probably just ignorant here.
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DCharlie said:
:lol I'm not going to bother reading the rest of the thread.
wobedraggled
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SyNapSe said:
Nothing yet but give them time, they are planning a giant push behind it. advertisers will eat it up, as it will be harder to block.
wobedraggled
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Ronin said:
And when your a monopoly it's all too easy.
Letter to Elise
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wobedraggled said:
Yes and that worked well for Nintendo. Everything you say in this thread applies to Nintendo.
Is it possible for you to post without blinders? In my short time here you've stood out as one of the most rose-coloured glasses wearing individuals I've seen at GAF.
I know you cannot really feel this way.
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Letter to Elise said:
i was talking about the company as a whole.. on the console front, MS isnt influential enough to be throwing their weight around like they do in the PC world.. im just hoping that the whole, 'only authorized third party peripherals are allowed on the xbox360,' is not a sign of things to come..
nintendo, on the other hand, is a completely different company than it was back in the NES days.. mainly do to the regime change its been through.
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Ronin said:
nintendo are far from irrelevant, especially on the portable front.
wobedraggled
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Letter to Elise said:
Not a fan of monoplies, wasn't a fan of Ninty back in the day actually.
Sorry my viewpoint sucks to everyone out there, but it's mine and i'm sticking to it.
I miss Sega.
Letter to Elise
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wobedraggled said:I miss Sega.
In that we can agree!
wobedraggled said:Not a fan of monoplies, wasn't a fan of Ninty back in the day actually.
Sorry my viewpoint sucks to everyone out there, but it's mine and i'm sticking to it.
I miss Sega.
I don't think it's your viewpoint, as I imagine 30% or more of the board shares the same opinioin. It's your posting style.
wobedraggled
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SyNapSe said:
Yeah I admit it's a bit harsh, but it get's the point across.
Well what can I say, Microsoft is probably the only company in the world that can force themselves in such a way into an industry, affording to lose 4 freaking billion dollars and risk launching a new console when the first one was far from a success. IMO, the chances of 360 being a hit worldwide are pretty slim, and I think it'll need to be one to "make money"(nevermind that the probability of the 360 recouping the losses of the XBOX are pretty remote). I wonder if they'll continue on this path for the next-next gen.
jett said:
Sony first found success by attracting developers. MS has done an absolutely fantastic job of that. There has been a consistently high quality selection of Xbox titles on the shelves from day one. If the only proof of success is Sony's 68% market share, I'd prefer to look at it from a gamer's perspective. MS will be around as long as we care, and we do.
Speevy said:
Read it all buddy, and let it sink in. BTW, if you think it's an accomplishment that freaking Microsoft "managed" to get developers on board the XBOX, then hell I don't know what to tell you. Sure, Microsoft also "managed" to get the XBOX brand into the minds(a half a billion marketing campaign pretty much guarantees that) of american gamers(in some capacity). But will the 360 manage to recoup the losses of the original XBOX? Is it going to be worth it for Microsoft? You may like to think that MS is releasing the 360 for the gamers, but that's bullshit of the highest degree. They came into this industry knowing they would lose money at first, and hoping to make more than what they lost later. I, personally, don't see evidence of that happening. If the XBOX isn't an uberhit worldwide, MS will probably once again cut the generation short. And, you know, that can't be good for the industry.
Letter to Elise
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jett said:Read it all buddy, and let it sink in. BTW, if you think it's an accomplishment that freaking Microsoft "managed" to get developers on board the XBOX, then hell I don't know what to tell you. Sure, Microsoft also "managed" to get the XBOX brand into the minds(a half a billion marketing campaign pretty much guarantees that) of american gamers(in some capacity). But will the 360 manage to recoup the losses of the original XBOX? Is it going to be worth it for Microsoft? You may like to think that MS is releasing the 360 for the gamers, but that's bullshit of the highest degree. They came into this industry knowing they would lose money at first, and hoping to make more than what they lost later. I, personally, don't see evidence of that happening. If the XBOX isn't an uberhit worldwide, MS will probably once again cut the generation short. And, you know, that can't be good for the industry.
You are alot like woebedraggled, except not for Nintendo. X|
Jeeze what is the percentage of posters with obvious allegiance here at GAF?
Ronin said:
Irrelevant?!?! Have you seen the DS? Have you seen the Revolution?
Next gen handhelds will most likely have a touch screen. The simplicity of the Rev controller will be copied in some form, maybe with the eyetoy or the MS camera/eyetoy thingy.
The only irrelevance right now will be between the PS3 and X360. The Rev is going down a completely different route altogether. It will most likely become the perfect complementary system for the hardcore gamers.
Nintendo has distanced themselves from the traditional at this point. If it proves to be a success is still too early to call.
Letter to Elise
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jett said:*raises an eyebrow* Hey don't insult me, my comments are far from the ntroll's "MICROSOFT DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE IN ZE INDUSTRY". My guess is that you're a lot like speevy.
I don't even know how Speevy posts. And if you look at my posts you'll see I'm not in anyone's camp. I was just remarking on your posting habits in this thread.
Its just suprising how easy it is to pick out those with apparent biases.
Sorry if I offended in any way. If I'm wrong then I'll try to see beyond it.
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If MS leaves this industry, we as gamers will be worse off. No real gaming company like Sega is going to re-enter the hardware market. And lame efforts like Phantom would not be enough to restore balance.
Once again... silly gaf!!
This huge corp loses BILLIONS to give us kick ass hw and a lot of great games... and LIVE!!! and there are complaints??? wtf!
Anyway, in the last few years, MS has made 1 billion in profit EVERY MONTH!!!!... losing 4b in an investment for the fight over the living room with Sony, as well as the HUGE overall gain to the overall ms image; well worth the $$.
btw, MS is trying to have the 360 make 1b over it's whole life. So, whole MS, 1b/month profit. 360, 1b profit in like 5 + years. Feels possible.
Either way, a shitload of kick ass HD game in less than 2 months
and we get all the X05 kick ass hype in what, 8 days!!!
This huge corp loses BILLIONS to give us kick ass hw and a lot of great games... and LIVE!!! and there are complaints??? wtf!
Anyway, in the last few years, MS has made 1 billion in profit EVERY MONTH!!!!... losing 4b in an investment for the fight over the living room with Sony, as well as the HUGE overall gain to the overall ms image; well worth the $$.
btw, MS is trying to have the 360 make 1b over it's whole life. So, whole MS, 1b/month profit. 360, 1b profit in like 5 + years. Feels possible.
Either way, a shitload of kick ass HD game in less than 2 months
and we get all the X05 kick ass hype in what, 8 days!!!gamergirly
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JoDark said:Once again... silly gaf!!
This huge corp loses BILLIONS to give us kick ass hw and a lot of great games... and LIVE!!! and there are complaints??? wtf!
Anyway, in the last few years, MS has made 1 billion in profit EVERY MONTH!!!!... losing 4b in an investment for the fight over the living room with Sony, as well as the HUGE overall gain to the overall ms image; well worth the $$.
btw, MS is trying to have the 360 make 1b over it's whole life. So, whole MS, 1b/month profit. 360, 1b profit in like 5 + years. Feels possible.
Either way, a shitload of kick ass HD game in less than 2 months
That's the rest of MS's divisions, not the home entertainment group(where the Xbox division is in). MS wont be making billions forever, and if some people here's wishes come true, then eventually some type of profitable solution must be implemented.
Also, it's rough(unless you have some type of strong belief one way or another) making predictions of a console's success or failure when the market can easily change in the future. Xbox360 might end up in a worse position than it is in now. We must all be prepared to buy our destined console that dies prematurely. Gamers always win but some console will fail
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
why? sometimes companies have to do things that aren't profitable to protect other business interests. In this case, they are possibly losing cash to fund a venture that gets in Sonys way (e.g. Blocks their entry into the home entertainment system ). MS might suddenly lose loads of cash, but for that a viable other option has to step forward , not just for home users, but for big businesses. It _can_ happen, and it may well in the future, but not in the next 10 years or so i'd guess.
and it's not guaranteed who that'll be - but having a shit load of cash to back up your run means you can beat a dead horse for generation after generation. Having 1% profit margins means it's much more difficult.