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[adamsapple]

I imagine it kills some processes which are using that RAM. Probably would have to take an inventory of task manager before and after to really see what is happening.

The encouraging thing to me is that this is their first go at it so I'm hoping they are able to move towards a debloated mode for gaming in Windows.

They're already doing more than what many expected by disabling Co-Pilot with this mode, lol.

I think yesterday someone quoted me to say that even in the FSE mode, co-pilot is always collecting data.

 

[bender]

 

[Magic Carpet]

Hoping older games will popup in Fullscreen in a working mode on every game. No more weird Resolution startups in black screen that require a window mode.

 

[Mister Wolf]

No idea. Just stating what is shown in the video. I imagine we will get a bunch more benchmarks when this is released to Windows Insiders.

Now what's odd about his benchmark is Cyberpunk is the only game he bothered to test at 30w TDP and thats where it showed the performance gain. At 17w its miniscule for Cyberpunk and every other game he only showed 17w results and makes no mention of testing those games at 30w.

 

[memoryman3]

Remains to be seen. It could be cheaper but it also can't be upgraded if it's an apu. Seems like a more difficult sell to me personally.

If the amount of memory is ample enough, it will be able to last a decade

 

[PSFore]

I thought it wasn't coming to the Legion Go until 2026?

 

[Topher]

I thought it wasn't coming to the Legion Go until 2026?

Seems they decided to make available for all handhelds tomorrow.

 

[winjer]

This thing would not be necessary if Microsoft wasn't shoving so much bloatware, shovelware, spyware and AI slop, into Windows 11.

 

[SilentSpecter]

nvm wrong topic

 

[viveks86]

Writing was on the wall for a while. Good that they made it official.

 

[UltimaKilo]

Their counterpoint to Steam OS. They have much more work to do, but you have to start somewhere.

I'm guessing this is a major beta test before Magnus?

 

[IntentionalPun]

So if I don't have an Xbox library why would I get a Magnus Xbox if I can get the full screen experience on any PC?

I mean we haven't seen the price, form factor or performance yet.

It might just be a solid PC for the price regardless of Xbox BC with a better than typical form factor for it's size.

Or it might suck and be expensive.

 

[IFireflyl]

A less bloaty 'version' which turns off unnecessary services to free up memory for gaming.

 

[balls of snow]

Already enabled it on my LeGo2. Its kinda neat in the way it connects to other storfronts but still way behind steam os in sheer user friendliness. Best feature is the quick alt tabbing between apps (including games) using a button. Also I found hibernate in fse to be more reliable than sleep mode in that games dont crash out after waking.

 

[Mister Wolf]

 

[ReasonBeing]

I'm guessing this is a major beta test before Magnus?

For sure, probably why it's limited to Insiders. Get it out there and see what needs to be addressed.

 

[IFireflyl]

I'm just saying it's Microsoft. I don't trust that they're not going to screw this up because, somehow, they always find a way.

Here's the rub for me: if the services were unnecessary, why are they running in the first place? Why can't I permanently have my system debloated? The fact that they say, "Use our app and we'll temporarily debloat Windows," is ridiculous to me. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, and if I am then I encourage people to tell me what I'm missing.

 

[adamsapple]

I'm just saying it's Microsoft. I don't trust that they're not going to screw this up because, somehow, they always find a way.

Here's the rub for me: if the services were unnecessary, why are they running in the first place? Why can't I permanently have my system debloated? The fact that they say, "Use our app and we'll temporarily debloat Windows," is ridiculous to me. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, and if I am then I encourage people to tell me what I'm missing.

Some of the names are things like office background services, co-pilot etc. Those things are probably more useful for enterprise scenarios or big orgs.

The fact that they're even doing this is a good start. Linux's three percent got them shook.

 

[Shockwave_Fox]

Oh damn, misread it and thought this was on pc for everyone 21st November! Be interesting to see how it is when it eventually does come out.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I'm just saying it's Microsoft. I don't trust that they're not going to screw this up because, somehow, they always find a way.

Here's the rub for me: if the services were unnecessary, why are they running in the first place? Why can't I permanently have my system debloated? The fact that they say, "Use our app and we'll temporarily debloat Windows," is ridiculous to me. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, and if I am then I encourage people to tell me what I'm missing.

Because most of what they kill off are things like the desktop process which is useless while a game is running unless you want to alt-tab to it, look through explorer, see the useful UI's, etc.

It's not bloat relative to regular computing needs, it's bloat relative to having a game running in full screen.

And you CAN optimize your system for gaming and "de-bloat it" it's called killing processes unnecessary for gaming, you just can't kill the main desktop process... which is needed for like... using it as a desktop.

And killing processes unnecessary for gaming could otherwise slow things down from a general desktop user standpoint. Having free memory is not what makes software faster, USING memory is what makes software faster... hence why having more of it free for gaming can make a game run faster because the games can then USE IT, they could cache more assets for instance. Same thing is true for Windows, it using memory might be speeding some things up (like launching explorer, Edge, the start menu, etc.)

There's also random "maintenance" processes that won't launch in FSE that eventually NEED to be launched to have have a hosed up desktop experience.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Some of the names are things like office background services, co-pilot etc. Those things are probably more useful for enterprise scenarios or big orgs.

The fact that they're even doing this is a good start. Linux's three percent got them shook.

Sleeping Giant. This is like when the US lost at basketball at the Olympics.

 

[Sooner]

They just need to drop the Xbox moniker. PC gamers don't want their PC to be an Xbox.

Xbox, in general, has so much negative baggage associated with the name, I don't understand their insistence on keeping it around and forcing it upon things that don't have that negative association.

 

[Senua]

Thank fucking christ

 

[Fess]

Maybe it makes living room play more viable with a controller if you're dead set on using the Xbox App?

I don't see why anyone would be dead set on only using Xbox App…

But what Microsoft needs to do, and Valve as well, is making sure games from any launcher can be started without issues and have nice presentations with cover art and game info. That's not how it is now.

I was on the Insider Beta and was shocked to see how unfinished the fullscreen experience was. Missing art, wrong art, low resolution art. Looked awful. It really shouldn't have left the MS office. And I was even more shocked to see that there was still issues when they launched it on ROG Xbox Ally X. It's quite worrisome. You only get one chance to have a good first impression.

But it's still great that they're trying to do something.

My wish is that they make a fullscreen mode for actual Windows and not just Xbox App. Use AI to have dynamic menus based on what's running or something. It would solve so much for all apps in the living room if the whole Windows experience was focused on controller usage.

 

[Neo_game]

Nice, did not expect this on PC. So basically xbox console like resource utilization on PC and not just limited to Xbox app. I think it should work on Steam and others as well but hopefully they will confirm this.

 

[IFireflyl]

Some of the names are things like office background services, co-pilot etc. Those things are probably more useful for enterprise scenarios or big orgs.

The fact that they're even doing this is a good start. Linux's three percent got them shook.

I'm with Gonzito and winjer on this. It'd be nice if it pans out the way people want it to, but Microsoft doesn't have a track record of crossing the finish line in a decent position when it comes to bloat and consumer privacy. MacOS and Linux show that OSs don't need to consume a serious amount of resources. I really do hope they prove me wrong, but I'm also not going to lift them up on my shoulders even if they do because they're just getting rid of bloat that no other OS has in the first place. And this is only debloating while in this mode, while you're still going to have the same bloat and resource issues with the standard desktop. I see your point about enterprise scenarios wanting some back-end processes, but Microsoft could easily make features/background services optional and they choose not to.

Because most of what they kill off are things like the desktop process which is useless while a game is running unless you want to alt-tab to it, look through explorer, see the useful UI's, etc.

It's not bloat relative to regular computing needs, it's bloat relative to having a game running in full screen.

And you CAN optimize your system for gaming and "de-bloat it" it's called killing processes unnecessary for gaming, you just can't kill the main desktop process... which is needed for like... using it as a desktop.

And killing processes unnecessary for gaming could otherwise slow things down from a general desktop user standpoint. Having free memory is not what makes software faster, USING memory is what makes software faster... hence why having more of it free for gaming can make a game run faster because the games can then USE IT, they could cache more assets for instance. Same thing is true for Windows, it using memory might be speeding some things up (like launching explorer, Edge, the start menu, etc.)

There's also random "maintenance" processes that won't launch in FSE that eventually NEED to be launched to have have a hosed up desktop experience.

But who games on PC and literally JUST plays games? Who doesn't alt-tab to lookup something on a website, or have other things running like Discord that they move back and forth from? I do see your point, but I don't see this being useful to me since I still want to use my PC as a PC, and Windows is still the "Galactus - Devourer of Resources" of operating systems. If they do well with this, I can definitely see why some people would be happy though.

 

[poppabk]

It just seems like as time goes on, there's less and less unique selling points to the device. It seems it eventually just boil down to back compat if Sarah is to be believed.

Time will tell I suppose.

Why do so many people seem disappointed when they won't have to buy an extra device?

 

[Seiryu21]

Why do so many people seem disappointed when they won't have to buy an extra device?

No disappointment here. Just wondering out loud.

 

[Quasicat]

This is a serious question and I'm not trying to be mean to Microsoft, but does this get rid of the ads in Windows?

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

This is perfect timing. I'm just about to have a spare pc I want to turn into a mini living room build.

 

[Montauk]

Should have just called it Beast Mode.

 

[salva]

Awesome, I'd definitely be using this on my PC. They must be shitting themselves to get it out before the steam machines release.
Still a long way to go to get to the SteamOS level of performance options and optimisations.

 

[IntentionalPun]

But who games on PC and literally JUST plays games? Who doesn't alt-tab to lookup something on a website, or have other things running like Discord that they move back and forth from? I do see your point, but I don't see this being useful to me since I still want to use my PC as a PC, and Windows is still the "Galactus - Devourer of Resources" of operating systems. If they do well with this, I can definitely see why some people would be happy though.

Yeah I've said the same thing myself, not sure I find this particularly interesting because I alt-tab a lot while gaming.

But I think a lot of people don't do that. In particular anyone coming from consoles to PC probably wouldn't have any habits like that. People just use their phones.

In the end while I want to give it a shot I haven't seen evidence the gains are great , so it all doesn't really matter to me at this point.

 

[Gamezone]

it is a mode they are adding to Windows that reduces the memory footprint and helps to improve game performance. MS introduced this for handhelds with Xbox Rog Ally and are now bringing it to all PCs.

Is there a single benchmark that shows improved performance in this mode? From what I've seen it's basically the same on handhelds.

 

[Topher]

Is there a single benchmark that shows improved performance in this mode? From what I've seen it's basically the same on handhelds.

Yes. Posts from above.....

Frees up more of the CPU it seems as well. What's your takeaway from this:

Why did Cyberpunk receive such an uplift but not much on the other games tested

Watch the video though. The improvement in most games are not as extreme as the screenshot. Still an improvement in most cases, but not this much

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Cool but I've made my mind and I'm switching to Linux before the years end.

 

[Fake]

 

[IntentionalPun]

Yes. Posts from above.....

I'm curious, has anyone hacked this into a desktop system and done any testing?

Is it like for like? Will a competent (say RTX3800 with a decent CPU) system see the same gains?

 

[Topher]

I'm curious, has anyone hacked this into a desktop system and done any testing?

Is it like for like? Will a competent (say RTX3800 with a decent CPU) system see the same gains?

I haven't seen any deep dives into it since not a lot of channels/sites cover handhelds. Hopefully when it comes to desktop there will be some more analysis

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

They're shitting their pants thinking about Valve and SteamOS.

 

[Mister Wolf]

They're shitting their pants thinking about Valve and SteamOS.

Linux has a 4% global desktop OS market share. Literally an ant vs an elephant.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Guess I'll keep PC Gamepass for a while longer.

 

[March Climber]

Their counterpoint to Steam OS. They have much more work to do, but you have to start somewhere.

People forget how long Steam OS took to get where it is today. This is going to take a while for MS too.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

This, but with AI "agents", thus worse performance.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Linux has a 4% global desktop OS market share. Literally an ant vs an elephant.

If they are not as dense as their marketing suggests, they'll see growth rates that tell a different story than some historically derived small percentage of desktop Linux. They'll also know that trends and sm talking points can create new realities, and Valve has a lot of mindshare right now among the enthusiasts. Combine that with numbers go down on their own services and products and if you're not completely ignorant as management you need to take this seriously.

 

[Mister Wolf]

If they are not as dense as their marketing suggests, they'll see growth rates that tell a different story than some historically derived small percentage of desktop Linux. They'll also know that trends and sm talking points can create new realities, and Valve has a lot of mindshare right now among the enthusiasts. Combine that with numbers go down on their own services and products and if you're not completely ignorant as management you need to take this seriously.

I've been hearing about Linux being on the come up since I was 13 years old. That's 30 years. I just don't believe it. There used to be this other one called Be OS back then that they said was coming for Windows too.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

People forget how long Steam OS took to get where it is today. This is going to take a while for MS too.

Looking at their Xbox app on PC it will take forever and never actually catch up with competition.

 

[Topher]

Linux has a 4% global desktop OS market share. Literally an ant vs an elephant.

Windows market share was once 90%+. Now it is in the low 70s. Windows isn't infallible by any means. Microsoft watched as Apple bring Mac back from next to nothing and is now around 16-17%.

So to say Microsoft is reacting to Valve's moves in backing Linux with Steam OS would not be inaccurate at all. They have been down this road before.

I've been hearing about Linux being on the come up since I was 13 years old. That's 30 years. I just don't believe it. There used to be this other one called Be OS back then that they said was coming for Windows too.

That was long before Valve got involved my man

 

[lastmessiah]

I've been hearing about Linux being on the come up since I was 13 years old. That's 30 years. I just don't believe it. There used to be this other one called Be OS back then that they said was coming for Windows too.

Linux was never meant to be a desktop operating system and certainly not a gaming OS. When it does serve that role, it is sparsely built and highly tailored to be idiot-proof because when you think of all the retards out there that struggle with Windows, well - imagine directing them to open a terminal window to invoke sudo privileges...

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

But who games on PC and literally JUST plays games?

i basically never alt-tab or leave something running in the background--data logging tools if anything (temps, volts, etc), which ill check after i exit the game.

have phone or ipad for looking something up. prefer staying in-game for the atmosphere.

when its game time, its game time.