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[Eusis]

What if Sony is doing the same thing with PS4?
Would you go for WiiU + PC this whole generation?

I doubt it.

I know I wouldn't. I would get pissed, definitely, but then I would most likely wait 2 years or so and then buy both consoles anyway. Can't deal with not being able to play the exclusives,
:/

The EXACT same thing... Sony's going to have to nail some really compelling exclusives, I think. If they just do anti-used or required authentication but don't require staying online all the time, I'll probably eventually get it, especially if they make it clear they intend to be more forward compatible and avoid issues like the PS3 had with Cell or the PS2 with the Emotion Engine/Reality Synthesizer.

Still, there's loads of games on Wii U, most third party multiplatforms hit PC, and I kind of expect an always online anti-used system would tank badly in Japan, so it probably WOULD drive most of those games to 3DS/Vita/maybe Wii U, and the PS3 would probably linger for quite awhile like the PS2 did.

 

[michaelius]

I'm impressed - they must have put a lot of effort into trying to make it sounds like they aren't dicks while essentially blocking any used market.

 

[Jabba]

lol... people are really not getting it. YOU COULD DO THAT BEFORE! Just bring the goddamn games to your friends place. Now you'll have to log in, download em and once you're logged out, he won't be able to play it anymore

And it's only 10 of them. The real way (you know, bring the fucking discs with you) can be alot more.

For anyone thinking this isn't a fuck job, read it again please.

 

[Snubbers]

What a mixed bag..

Even though the I don't have an issue with physical ownership, and am happy with steam, the real low points for me are the 24hr check in and the publisher control over trade in.

I suspect Sony will be following suit on publisher requirements, but I think there will be no Internet requirement.

The good side is potentially the best 10 family member thing.. If I was able to share games between me, and and my kids, and my brother and his kids, it will save me a fortune (even assuming they won't allow simultaneous online usage)

But I am quite an open minded individual, who likes the convenience of all digital, and this is making the most XB1 feel like it'll be the console I buy just for a few exclusives at best, and even then, if I can't use my fanatec wheel, I will be permanently out..

 

[jfoul]

Well, Xbox One is now officially off my list for entertainment post apocalypse.

 

[BigJonsson]

Oh my

Unless MS changes a lot of this I think I'm PS4 or bust..........and if Sony is doing anything like this well, I may have more money in my pocket or something.........until I cave

 

[Fistwell]

Oh hey, shouldn't they give Adam Orth his job back now?

Yeah, give him phil harrison's job, he's soon to be back with sony anyways...

 

[Fistwell]

Didn't think about it but damn the yearly sport trade in crowd is fucked.

Yeah it's ironic that EA of all people would get in bed with MS over this.

Oups dble post, sry thought this thread was moving faster than that.

 

[Mr. Enigma]

Is this real life?



Oh hey, shouldn't they give Adam Orth his job back now?

Adam Orth resigned. He was not fired.

 

[nib95]

The good side is potentially the best 10 family member thing.. If I was able to share games between me, and and my kids, and my brother and his kids, it will save me a fortune (even assuming they won't allow simultaneous online usage)

Don't fall idle to Microsofts PR fluff. You can already do that now. You can lend physical games as many times as you like, and for as long as you like too, to anyone.

 

[JimiNutz]

It doesnt sound too bad to me.
Its not good news, but not so bad that I will automatically boycot. For me it will simply come down to quality of exclusive games and launch price of console.

 

[link1201]

I had 0 intentions on buying an xbone, but I'm slightly concerned sony will follow suit (or at least 3rd party pubs will make their games use these restrictions).

This is gonna be the 1st e3 where instead of being excited about the games, I'm nervous about how I'll be negatively impacted. Makes me even happier I bought a Wii U last week.

I am right there with you...I just want to be excited about the new game reveals but can't be because of all the other garbage...feels bad :/

 

[Foffy]

So, shitty policies are still in place?

Hope the platform tanks and heads roll for these decisions.

 

[hlhbk]

Well I was hoping we would hit 6000 before going to bed but that isn't happening. I am sure it will happen before I wake up in 6 hours. Keep fighting the good fight everyone and don't accept this bullshit.

 

[Jimrpg]

I feel like Microsoft have been pretty sneaky about all of this and thats the part I think that upsets me the most.

To me, xbone has the intentions of a steam box. Its just they've completely got it round the wrong way when it comes to delivering the message of used games, DRM, piracy etc.

I mean, no one really complains too much about steam but it doesn't let you sell your used games. And this is the proposition of value that Alex Albrect/Garnett Lee brought up in the GT Bonus Round, Microsoft/Sony can't have $60 games and not be able to sell your used games.

And thats why Steam does well, it has lots of sales, and when they do you can pick up a game for less than $5-$10... at this price point, its worth it even if you have to log in to play or not be able to sell the game.

And so even with this ridiculous DRM system that Microsoft put in place, where you can barely lend your friends your games, it's going to come down price points i think, if MS price games at $60, Gamers are going turn to alternatives (hopefully), if MS price games at $30-40... people will forget all about the used game talk.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Don't fall idle to Microsofts PR fluff. You can already do that now. You can lend physical games as many times as you like, and for as long as you like too, to anyone.

Exactly, they are taking lots of things away just so they can give some small things back to seem benevolent. :lol

 

[TunaLover]

"Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at participating retailers"

Means people outside US is fucked.

 

[Quasar]

The console industry does not need this hunk of shit. Hope it does not become an industry standard. Nintendo and Sony I believe in you.

The thing for me is why publishers/ms need to have this fight over physical media? more and more people are going digital so you get what you want. Just provide enough incentives for folks to move quicker.

 

[Xv Elite vX]

Guess I can throw another two cents in here. I do not see why people are so worried about lending games to friends. just add them as a family member and they can play your whole Library, right? Secondly the online DRM thing concerning the future will not matter so much. At the applicable time they can pull the DRM and allow the system to run off disk DRM, making it possible to free up your online constrictions. After the systems life span is completed for the most part. The online thing does suck, but that is the price we are all going to have to pay to stop the mass piracy going on with modded xboxes and hacked usb game saves. This needs to end. I think it is about time people let go and realize the time we are in.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Oh my

Unless MS changes a lot of this I think I'm PS4 or bust..........and if Sony is doing anything like this well, I may have more money in my pocket or something.........until I cave

Don't be a moron.

Build a PC, it's not hard and not's as expensive as people think it is

Also all games are just gonna be 6 hour campaign bullshit anyway because of their $100 mil budgets

 

[monkey666]

"Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at participating retailers"

Means people outside US is fucked.

Means, no selling on craiglist. Being stuck with Gamestop offering you very low $ for you used game.

 

[robertsan21]

Well I sure aint bying a Xbox one. I truly hope that Hackers and pirates abuse the shit out of this Xbox one. Kill it please, MS deserves it!

 

[NullPointer]

Well I guess this debunks one paranoid theory I had that MS might require Gold to use the console at all.

Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.

Its an interesting line though regardless.

Adam Orth resigned. He was not fired.

One can be pushed into retirement, especially when trying to distance themselves from the company line.

 

[Myomoto]

Yeah it's ironic that EA of all people would get in bed with MS over this.

Oups dble post, sry thought this thread was moving faster than that.

Yes... "ironic"...

 

[i-Lo]

All will be worth it for the power of cloud. It'll be like having 4 Xbones. That unparalleled power means not will it humiliate the PS4, obliterate Wii U but effortless beat all except the highest end PCs.

 

[Jake Tower]

PERFECT

 

[RobbieNick]

Does anyone genuinely not have there PS3/Xbox 360 not connected to the internet? I'm genuinely curious.

I bring this up a lot but, YES! My brother has no internet at home! He's not poor, he has a cell phone and does most of his Facebook and internet surfing stuff there. He has a season pass for Injustice: Gods among us and comes over to my house and has me download it for him as wqell as some digital games. He watches Netflix at work sometimes (handy to be the manager of your store).

He literally cannot use X-Box One. Period.

 

[nib95]

"Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at participating retailers"

Means people outside US is fucked.

No way. Bet they have deals with major retailers already. GAME (UK) has the XO splashed all over their site. Big retailers will make money, private stores, mum and pop stores etc, they're screwed.

 

[Quasar]

"Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at participating retailers"

Means people outside US is fucked.

Certainly the indy games stores would seem to be. And certainly it will get messy if some publishers allow used (and run their own programs that cost games stores money to participate) and some publishers don't. Thus game buyers and retilers need to keep right up on which games/publishers are used friendly and those which aren't.

 

[Snubbers]

Don't fall idle to Microsofts PR fluff. You can already do that now. You can lend physical games as many times as you like, and for as long as you like too, to anyone.

I'm not falling for the fluff, it states that you can still play the game (as the owner) and one other family member at a time..

That means two people playing one game at the same time, if it allows that extra person to be playing online at the same time, that's a massive saving to me.. If it only allows them to play offline one at a time, that's a moderate saving..

The rest of it is wank , but that may work for me, as my son can pay new releases whilst I am, and if family extends to outside the house, then it's even better.

You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Secondly the online DRM thing concerning the future will not matter so much. At the applicable time they can pull the DRM and allow the system to run off disk DRM, making it possible to free up your online constrictions. After the systems life span is completed for the most part.

Sounds wonderful. In that case, Microsoft can expect me among the number of Xbone users in 2020 or whenever. Gives me plenty of time to catch up on other things.

 

[Bluforce]

This is a mess!

 

[Mr. Enigma]

As much as the general idea bothers me, I will get some sick joy out of Microsoft's reaction when hackers figure out how to bust the DRM and play their games without an Internet connection, ultimately fucking over the legit consumers.

 

[CecilRousso]

So Microsoft finally confirmed that XBOX One is an all digital console now, it's just about digital distribution all the way from now on. I wonder how game collectors will feel about this console, when their boxes with XBOX One game discs means literally nothing.

 

[Raxus]

Its an interesting line though regardless.

They tried putting finger printing technology in the controllers but it was too expensive. They decided to give us a little leniency and let other people play our games on our console.

 

[TunaLover]

Means, no selling on craiglist. Being stuck with Gamestop offering you very low $ for you used game.

I live in latin america (Chile), I'm fucked anyway.

 

[LebGuns]

I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound alarmist, but isn't anyone worried about the fact that Kinect can only be "paused" and not turned off, unless the system is shut down? Also, its "not listening to you", but listening for "Xbox On"? That does not make sense. It's obviously listening for it to keep track of that word.

In light of the NSA scandal going on with PRISM, is there anyone else worried about NSA being able to use Kinect and Xbox One to further spy on Americans? I wish this was as stupid as it sounds, but NSA's first private company spying partner? Microsoft. Indeed. Check it out http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html

"Congress obliged with the Protect America Act in 2007 and the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, which immunized private companies that cooperated voluntarily with U.S. intelligence collection. PRISM recruited its first partner, Microsoft, and began six years of rapidly growing data collection beneath the surface of a roiling national debate on surveillance and privacy."

 

[NoirVisage]

Microsoft just could not win, its imperative to their business that they get you to take a bite out of this feces and broken glass sandwich, they can dress it with all the garnish they want but no one with sense wants a bloody mouth that smells like open booty.

 

[Gori]

I don't get it, isn't Gamestop etc the main reason they're limiting used games sales? Because they promote used games more than new games etc? These are the ones who keep being portrayed as evil in threads justifying this, not the small stores.

So solution to this is to ONLY allow Gamestop etc to sell used games, and not the small stores?

Wut?

 

[strata8]

No way. Bet they have deals with major retailers already. GAME (UK) has the XO splashed all over their site. Big retailers will make money, private stores, mum and pop stores etc, they're screwed.

Do private stores sell MS points and PSN cards?

I don't get it, isn't Gamestop etc the main reason they're limiting used games sales? Because they promote used games more than new games etc? These are the ones who keep being portrayed as evil in threads justifying this, not the small stores.

So solution to this is to ONLY allow Gamestop etc to sell used games, and not the small stores?

Wut?

No? From the text I get the sense that any retailer can participate if they want. The OP construed the word "participating" into some negative, selective process but I don't see anything in the document that implies that.

 

[Dartastic]

I wish I was going to E3 this year. As a recent MBA grad, I'd LOVE to find a Microsoft executive and ask what the fuck they are thinking with this shit.

 

[NullPointer]

They tried putting finger printing technology in the controllers but it was too expensive. They decided to give us a little leniency and let other people play our games on our console.

Even people we're not related to, and those the Xbox doesn't know we're related to.

What beneficence!

 

[RobbieNick]

 

[MogCakes]

So MS cancels roundtable Q&A, cancels multiple 1 on 1 interviews, and then immediately after releases a list of horrors confirming every negative rumor about the Xbox One's policies.

HOO BOY this E3 is going to be flaming.

 

[Arde5643]

Guess I can throw another two cents in here. I do not see why people are so worried about lending games to friends. just add them as a family member and they can play your whole Library, right? Secondly the online DRM thing concerning the future will not matter so much. At the applicable time they can pull the DRM and allow the system to run off disk DRM, making it possible to free up your online constrictions. After the systems life span is completed for the most part. The online thing does suck, but that is the price we are all going to have to pay to stop the mass piracy going on with modded xboxes and hacked usb game saves. This needs to end. I think it is about time people let go and realize the time we are in.

Hmmm....with the amount of mass bannings we've had in this thread already, I'd figure they'd be less transparent with this.

 

[RustyO]

Question: Any one know the XBox360 market penetration globally?

Getting a bit of a vibe that MS may be taking the approach of concentrating on the US market, as that is where xx% of their market base; and tieing that market base into their ecosystem above and beyond everything else.

Other regions buy in, great, but if not, screw them.

Does anyone genuinely not have there PS3/Xbox 360 not connected to the internet? I'm genuinely curious.

Hi! /waves

 

[nib95]

I don't get it, isn't Gamestop etc the main reason they're limiting used games sales? Because they promote used games more than new games etc? These are the ones who keep being portrayed as evil in threads justifying this, not the small stores.

So solution to this is to ONLY allow Gamestop etc to sell used games, and not the small stores?

Wut?

My guess is they have an arrangement whereby Microsoft and/or the publisher unofficially get a cut. Gamestop etc would get more sales, more trade ins, could offer less money for trade ins due to lack of competition etc, so they're probably ok with it. But who knows.

 

[Arjen]

Welp, guess that's it then, no Xbone for me.
Shame i enjoyed my 360 for almost 8 years.
But all this just doesn't fly with me at all.

 

[RiddleofSteel]

Guess I can throw another two cents in here. I do not see why people are so worried about lending games to friends. just add them as a family member and they can play your whole Library, right? Secondly the online DRM thing concerning the future will not matter so much. At the applicable time they can pull the DRM and allow the system to run off disk DRM, making it possible to free up your online constrictions. After the systems life span is completed for the most part. The online thing does suck, but that is the price we are all going to have to pay to stop the mass piracy going on with modded xboxes and hacked usb game saves. This needs to end. I think it is about time people let go and realize the time we are in.

Well hello MS employee #66695484, I guess it's a late one at Redmond tonight.

 

[IrishNinja]

Means, no selling on craiglist. Being stuck with Gamestop offering you very low $ for you used game.

yup, exactly how i took it

i wanna walk back some of the stuff i said about jr members