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[Aspiring]

Again, cboat has confirmed that his outburst and the subsequent (GAF-initiated) furor caused Microsoft to alter their "always-online" policy to the current 24-hour one.

Anyone still planning to get the XBOne should probably be thanking him for his dumb twitter moment - and thanking GAF for getting MS to at least dial down their dumb DRM a little.

But what's the difference? If it's always online or once every 24 hours, it is essentially the same. I mean I'm sure they had something in place thy if you had a drop out it could last a little, and if my net broke for whatever reason chances are it takes more than a day to fix.

It's a stupid policy with no benefits. They can keep it.

 

[sambox]

What is the supposed correlation between that percentage and always online suddenly being okay?

To use Live you have to be connected. Who Uses Live always plays with the Xbox connected.

To log in with your profile you have to be logged.

 

[quest]

Regarding rentals, since they are offering everything digitally they could rent games directly. Day of release, etc with option to buy. Could be pretty nice actually if you dont mind having to be connected,

Why would they let you do that? They just turned games into a 59.99 rental. Why would they let you rent it cheaper than that?

 

[Klocker]

Correct me if I'm wrong, if I understood above, this is not possible with Xbox One:

- A and B are friends
- A has two consoles.
- A and B have same game
- B is visiting A, would like to bring just disc (not the big console) so they can play
- But they can play only for one hour because B is not logged on his primary console...unless B decides to carry along big box.

it means you have to be on the internet so it can check you in every hour with the GT linked to the games being played but he does not need his physical box, any xbox will do

 

[Zero-Crescent]

This apparently:

I'm not surprised that GameStop appreciates Microsoft's gift. Killing GameStop's competition is quite a task.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Are you saying the 24 hour check-in servers are going to last forever?

And what about used systems.

Its an authentication system that can be made local, like the dozens of old PC games that used to require always-on. That or patched to be disabled when the game EOLs

 

[NullPointer]

What if MS has an issue like Sony had with the PS3 where the Playstation Network was down for, what, a few weeks?

Everyone loses their games?

A fine question with an obvious answer.

 

[Freki]

Over 70% of Xbox 360 owners use Live. What's wrong with "24 hour check-in"?

I don't know? Ask the 30%? Ask SimCity buyers? Ask collectors?

 

[Ranger X]

it would be nice if they take some of the savings and pass it on to consumers in the form of cheaper retail prices.

somehow I don't think that's part of the plan.

They never ever even started to maybe plan on studying the possibility of, one day, giving even just a glimpse of attention to this idea.

 

[Currygan]

just got a text from a friend about this. Still reading


good lord is all i can say

 

[BoboBrazil]

This apparently:

Of course Gamestop is in on it. The benefits to Gamestop are numerous but the main two benefits are:

1. They will be pretty much the only way to trade or sell your games now generating more business for them.

2. As they are the only place in town to trade they can dictate trade in prices even more so than now. Trade in values will probably be cut 1/3-1/2.

 

[quest]

Hey guys,

I cannot remember the last time I traded in software or sold it to someone else.

I am done with my license of Windows 7 (on Linux/GNU now), and I am not sure how to sell it to my friend. Can someone help me?

I would also like to sell my copy of Sublime Text Editor and Adobe Photoshop.

If it is a retail W7 you can sell it to who ever you want. Been there done that. If you bought the OEM copy well YMMV.

 

[.la1n]

Wow, just... Yeah no thanks. Thought the stance may change by E3. Glad we finally have full clarification though.

 

[lexi]

Enjoy all the perks of PC gaming like trade ins, lending games and rentals.

An open platform that fosters competition and consumer-friendly prices is what you get with the PC.

 

[RazorEdge]

Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.

Haha, they sell it like something new...

 

[3rdamention]

I see Polygon finally reported on this....Basically said its up to publishers and touched very lightly on each restriction...

They walked a very fine line..

 

[Radical_Ed]

Yes. I'm Larry Herb.

Good. Sit and watch NeoGAF burn.

 

[shinra-bansho]

But what's the difference? If it's always online or once every 24 hours, it is essentially the same. I mean I'm sure they had something in place thy if you had a drop out it could last a little, and if my net broke for whatever reason chances are it takes more than a day to fix.

It's a stupid policy with no benefits. They can keep it.

It's a stupid policy sure. And I am in no way defending it.

But at the very least GAF seemingly got Microsoft to back down from your game ceasing to function if your connection dies for more than 3 minutes, which would have been so far beyond stupid. :s

 

[K.Jack]

If publishers have control over used game sales, there's no way they don't have a say in this "share your games with ten people" business. It's not going to be that cut and dry.

 

[Risible]

Am I reading this correctly? Me and ten of my friends can buy one copy of a game and then share it with each other? Isn't this worse than piracy? Like, I could get together with 10 GAFers and we would each take turns buying a game. Everyone pays 1/10 of what they would normally pay.

Is that correct?

And LOL at "Anyone can play games on your console in your home." Reminds me of Full Metal Jacket:

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Well, thank you very much! Can I be in charge for a while?
Private Cowboy: Sir, yes, sir.

 

[xxracerxx]

Its an authentication system that can be made local, like the dozens of old PC games that used to require always-on. That or patched to be disabled when the game EOLs

What about studios that go out of business?

Am I reading this correctly? Me and ten of my friends can buy one copy of a game and then share it with each other? Isn't this worse than piracy? Like, I could get together with 10 GAFers and we would each take turns buying a game. Everyone pays 1/10 of what they would normally pay.

Is that correct?

And LOL at "Anyone can play games on your console in your home." Reminds me of Full Metal Jacket:

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Well, thank you very much! Can I be in charge for a while?
Private Cowboy: Sir, yes, sir.

Come on, you know this won't work like this. Their wording is incredibly vague on the issue.

 

[WeAreStarStuff]

Please Sony do not do this as well; I'd hate to not buy any next gen systems. I've been gaming for close to three decades and I can't believe what I'm witnessing. Seriously, no one should put up with this; MS is treating gamers like they are enemies.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

I finally got a chance to read all this stuff/the general reaction.

I'm honestly just as confused as I was before, both about the actual details of how all these crazy systems work, and also about how Microsoft could think any of this was going to go over well.

 

[Alchemy]

Wait... "Share games with everyone inside your house!" is a selling point? ITS ALWAYS BEEN THAT FUCKING WAY.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

Hey guys,

I cannot remember the last time I traded in software or sold it to someone else.

I am done with my license of Windows 7 (on Linux/GNU now), and I am not sure how to sell it to my friend. Can someone help me?

I would also like to sell my copy of Sublime Text Editor and Adobe Photoshop.

Sell the CD-Keys. Give them the DVD if they can't get one or don't have it. Done.

 

[Biker19]

I can't imagine their system would be much different. If it didn't have the same DRM policies in place, then they would risk big 3rd parties like EA and Activision walking away.

They can't afford to ignore PS4 anyway.

 

[Klocker]

Regarding rentals, since they are offering everything digitally they could rent games directly. Day of release, etc with option to buy. Could be pretty nice actually if you dont mind having to be connected,

if only, been wanting this forever, I am pissed it was not part of this deal... really would have changed it a lot I think for some people


oh and where is my trade credit for digital games I thought they said was coming??

 

[Shaneus]

Fucking hell.

They're definitely all in on this bullshit. We need to spread the word and fight this garbage PR bullshit.

Did you notice "Any one of your family members..."? Pretty sure that means that only one person can play one game at a time from your library... possibly (though doubtful) even yourself.

 

[anexanhume]

Hey guys,

I cannot remember the last time I traded in software or sold it to someone else.

I am done with my license of Windows 7 (on Linux/GNU now), and I am not sure how to sell it to my friend. Can someone help me?

I would also like to sell my copy of Sublime Text Editor and Adobe Photoshop.

You do realize you can use win7 keys 5 times right?

 

[Stone Ocean]

Over 70% of Xbox 360 owners use Live. What's wrong with "24 hour check-in"?

Because if my internet is gone for whatever reason for over 24 hours my console becomes a paperweight until it comes back up?

 

[Natiko]

I'm not sure how this prevents rentals? I imagine if they can allow you to trade in games with specific partners they'll be able to do the same thing with rentals.

 

[brandonh83]

Wow at the people saying "it's better than we thought" "it's pretty good".

Ha ha? This shit shouldn't exist in the first place.

People thinking it's okay for a game system to require that you check in online every day just to play a fucking game. Yeah, totally cool. Actually it's incredibly fucking selfish and inconsiderate to people who don't necessarily have a perfectly magical internet connection. What's going to be hilarious is when this shit comes out and people actually get a taste of what people are complaining about the very fucking moment that any bout of inconvenience occurs - - and I can promise you it'll happen. A lot.

Nobody should have to worry about something like not being able to play a game if the net is down. Storm comes and there's no connection and it's time to check in and you can't play a game because there's no internet? Shucks. But hey, not a big deal. Really can't wait for those accepting this shit to get a dose of why this is awful.

 

[nero2082]

This apparently:

bullshit sugarcoating is so backwards, I don't think I'm enabled to comprehend such amount of fuckery

 

[Gotchaye]

So it really does seem like game sharing through the family mechanic is going to be viable for small numbers of people.

"You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."

So my "brother" and I set up this family thing. I buy games A and B and he buys game C. At a minimum, it sounds like I can play game A while he plays game B. Possibly we can both play game A simultaneously, but I doubt it. Probably I can't play game C while he plays any game.

Sound about right?

Seems like pairing off makes a lot of sense. Have one account buy all of the games, splitting the cost 50/50. With simultaneous playing of the same game, this works perfectly. Without, there's the restriction that both people can't be playing the same game at the same time. But that's still not bad.

Unless they're being ultra-lawyerly with "any one", and it includes you.

 

[RawNuts]

Good. Sit and watch NeoGAF burn.

Listen to NeoGAF burn. Listen.

 

[Dirtbag]

The xbox live servers will be the biggest hacker target in 2014.
Anything over a 24 hour down-time would severely damage MS's ability to sell this console. It's probably the easiest way to piss off 15 year olds. That security better be bulletproof.

 

[The Elite]

I like the idea of a shared system where I can put my game up on a list of shared games for friends to play and I would even be ok with not being able to play the game while they're playing it. That's no different than lending a disc now.

But not being able to resell my games the way I choose. Fuck that.

 

[BigDug13]

Did you notice "Any one of your family members..."? Pretty sure that means that only one person can play one game at a time from your library... possibly (though doubtful) even yourself.

That's not doubtful at all. You paid for a singular copy. If someone is logged into your game remotely, you won't be able to play it locally.

Now being the account holder, you'll probably have the ability to "kick" them off your game.

 

[nib95]

Wait... "Share games with everyone inside your house!" is a selling point? ITS ALWAYS BEEN THAT FUCKING WAY.

This spin in this info page is quite remarkable.

 

[mujun]

People getting banned have post histories worth laughing at.

Fair enough. Thanks for the heads up.

I'll buy one if there is a Crackdown, Banjo or something else I dig.

I am definitely in a special situation though. Superfast internet that never goes down (Japan), only get 2000 yen back on a 6000 yen game resale, etc.

I'll definitely cut down on buying games though. Selling off shit I'm done with is very important to me. I'll likely have to sell everything off to a friend for a pittance just to be rid of stuff I'm done with.

Definitely looking like the PS4 will be my main machine, though.

I've got a Wii U as well but there doesn't look like there will be enough software wise (for my tastes) for it to be my main machine.

 

[Fi Fo Nye]

 

[bigboss370]

did we really have PR people on GAF from MS trying to do damage control? that's almost as absurd as some of these policies >_>

 

[eznark]

Hey guys,

I cannot remember the last time I traded in software or sold it to someone else.

I am done with my license of Windows 7 (on Linux/GNU now), and I am not sure how to sell it to my friend. Can someone help me?

I would also like to sell my copy of Sublime Text Editor and Adobe Photoshop.

I would suggest asking for an amount of money you feel would make the transaction equitable and then give your friend the cd and keys.

Have fun out there, son. Be safe.

 

[Onion_Relish]

I see Polygon finally reported on this....Basically said its up to publishers and touched very lightly on each restriction...

They walked a very fine line..

Polygon is in MS' pocket anyways. in true "GAEMS JOURNALIZM" fashion they don't actually do any investigation or disseminate any new information, just regurgitate PR filth and make a single sideways comments for clicks.

Gies, if you're reading this, I hope you are enjoying your online sim city which clearly needs the cloud.

 

[nampad]

I have to say this is overall less restrictive than I thought it will be. I guess the initial backlash helped soften up some of the requirements. Why else would they have had such bad and inconsistent answers and have waited to clear up things until now?

I can see Sony going a similar way with used games though and let the publisher decide. Still those rules are quite restrictive, even if they allow you to sell your games.

The only interesting thing is the gamesharing with your family members, but only if you and them can play it at the same time. I don't think that will happen.

I hope Sony does the right thing.

 

[Trouble]

bullshit sugarcoating is so backwards, I don't think I'm enabled to comprehend such amount of fuckery

Jeez, quit being so entitled.

 

[derExperte]

You do realize you can use win7 keys 5 times right?

Unlimited actually, you may have to phone them if you use it too often too fast but that's it, they won't say "no". At least in Europe.

 

[sambox]

Don't be coy, tell us the exact number.

50 million

 

[DenogginizerOS]

I hope Sony doesn't follow suit. I hope EA and others who side with this policy suffer. I hope the Wii U and 3DS become leaders. I hope.

 

[fallingdove]

I'm not sure how this prevents rentals? I imagine if they can allow you to trade in games with specific partners they'll be able to do the same thing with rentals.

Since the game is registered to a single account the first time it is played, how do you think someone would play the game after you use it?