SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I do believe Nintendo not bowing down to the wishes of EA is leading to them being cut off from their games. It makes more sense to me than Frostbite won't work on a more powerful platform than 360/PS3.
Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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I do believe Nintendo not bowing down to the wishes of EA is leading to them being cut off from their games. It makes more sense to me than Frostbite won't work on a more powerful platform than 360/PS3.
So nintendo could do the same. I dont see this coming.
Its childish and such ads arent allowed everywhere.
PinkCrayon
Member
All of these policies are so poorly worded and half assed that it just reads like someone came up with it all yesterday and everyone just agreed with it because they were panicking. Good thing there will be a round table at E3 where we can clear it all up...
Where are ads that truthfully state the difference between two products not allowed? Hell, in the us you can basically lie when comparing your product with another's as long as there is a shred of truth in it (see mobile company ads)
Yes this is an important issue. And technically and politically it should not be a big deal for MS to address these worries and to ensure continuous service if and when they "turn off their servers".
Does anyone know what Valve/Steam has said about their service in this context? I never thought about it until now. We've had Steam for years, and considering gaf's love for Steam I guess they have a solution for this which is better than MS's..?
IdiotMyshkin
Banned
That is so.
GoddyofAus
Banned
Welp, there it is. The "games as a service, not a product" line of thinking has come full circle, and without any significant price drop to match the standard. Congratulations MS, you've successfully ostracized half the core gaming community, perhaps more. If Sony follows this line of thinking, a crash has to be inevitable. The industry is becoming sleazier and sleazier by the year.
The PC is going to see a major resurgance this gen.
The PC is going to see a major resurgance this gen.
Because the Wii U isn't selling well....
I know there is Gamestop in Europe. But Gamestop only in UK is major player for rest of europe it is ebay, personal trade that is 80-90% of all used games market.
Media Markt Saturn etc they does not handle only games. Small shops are the one that trade most of the games in EU market.
If you want to buy game in EU you go to electronic store not Gamestop. Games market is not cofined in gamestop like network.
Most of small shops won't have option to include MS used games system and bigger players could just not sell used games like media markt and saturn.
They are allowed if they state truth. It is how market works.
And they don't even need to say Xbox. Everybody will know what is up.
I'm sorry is my laptop or my phones OS and network completely encrypted so I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA what they are doing or even knowing they are off when they say they are off.
Does my phone or laptop only send encrypted network packets to one server alone so I have no fucking idea what packet is doing what, and no fucking way of knowing if packets are going somewhere I don't want them to?
I didn't think they were. Obviously you do because you think they are EXACTLY the same as the Xbone.
Where does it say this ? In the context it was written it says you can loan games to your friends but you can do it only once, no where does it say once you loan a game it becomes that persons.
Because their games don't sell ? Ubi came out yesterday telling us not to write Nintendo off , why would they do that when they are part of this evil cabal trying to bring on a DRM fuelled apocalypse ?
3rd party publishers won't abandon Sony , it's ludicrous to suggest it. Lets say Sony so implement new DRM to the PS4 though , the fact that the console never ever has to be online means their solution couldn't possibly be as restrictive as the MS policy.
GameStop has no stores in the UK, we have aspecialist games retailer called GAME , but the US GameStop closed their last store here 15 months ago.
maquiladora
Member
Xbox One requires an internet connection for gaming. Needs to connect once every 24 hours for your primary console and once every 60 minutes if you are signed into any other console.
So yes, that would be zero gaming of any kind for 2 weeks. But you can still use it to "watch live TV and Blu Ray movies".
fluffydelusions
Member
I'm sure some group out there will DDOS the authentication servers so no one can play the Xbone.
I'm willing to bet this will kill off more studios than used games did.
B tier franchises and new IP's are going to be a much more difficult sell if people can't easily either;
a) pay a reduced price (used)
b) rent the game (not available at launch)
Or
c) recoup some of the loss if the game is crap (monopoly on trade-ins)
B tier franchises and new IP's are going to be a much more difficult sell if people can't easily either;
a) pay a reduced price (used)
b) rent the game (not available at launch)
Or
c) recoup some of the loss if the game is crap (monopoly on trade-ins)
Sandy Nipples
Banned
Not if, you basically witnessed Microsoft inviting the great holy Jihad by hacker groups today.
Maybe when Xbox Two comes out, they will cease the always-online requirement for Xbox One? You'll be able to play the games already on your Xbox One offline, but not authenticate any new games. Or something.
You cant do it like you described in germany. Comparing products is only allowed if they re hold on a fact style and dont make the competitior look negative. (Second one is important)
Eg current kindle fire hd ads in tv are like this:
This is an amazing ipad screen. Look, its fantastic.
This is an amazing kindle fire hd screen. Look, its also fantastic.
One costs x
One costs y
Ads like they re in the states (we know how they are) are not allowed. Not even in the funny way.
Edit
Its not that easy.
Of course you can say it without mentioning competitors. But that would mean, that consumers will think nintendo cant do it too. I dont think they ll let that happen.
I am not talking about the states. Every country has different laws
They have said nothing. If steam were to ever shut down, all games that require steam to function would no longer work. Some people like to claim valve has said they will patch out drm, but such claims are without any shred of evidence and patently ridiculous when you think about legalities.
Fortunately, cracking steam drm is trivial and happens within hours of any games release so if you were willing to go that route you could still play your games. I doubt it would be so easy with the xbone.
The 360 has been the number one selling console for a long time and most games sell a lot on the system so I doubt it's privacy that's holding them back.
Jack Videogames
Member
I think my videogame buys this year are going to be a Xbox360 to replace my launch 360 which RROD'd a couple months ago, an oculus rift and a lot of indie/PC games. Xbox None for me (yes, I'm beating the dead horse)
They specifically said "give", not "loan".
They also mentioned that loaning and renting were not possible at launch, but they were "looking into the possibility".
It's obviously a permanent transfer of the license.
This. You saw what happened to Sony over removing OtherOS, can you imagine the shit that will go down over this?
Lulzsec and Anonymous must be salivating at the big bullseye Microsoft have painted on themselves.
maquiladora
Member
It's not loaning, it's "giving".
This is different to "loaning" which they clearly say isn't something you'll be able to do, but hey maybe in the future maybe....they'll give you permission. But as it stands right now, you can't.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
Banned
Here's my thinking:
- I HATE Gamestop, and I hate how they rip people off with used games sales, but I think selling a game to another person directly is perfectly fine.
- I think there's a massive conglomerate of the game playing world that has either shitty internet, or no internet.
- I know Microsoft has to do something because of publisher pressure (not they probably mind doing it), but this is too extreme.
- ANYONE who thinks Sony is going to be some savior is out of their god damned minds.
I would imagine removing people will be hard and may include direct involvement of MS.
Plus I imagine there will be some checks to make sharing as difficult as possible (like each gamertag in family have the same console set as primary device so you would have to share your credentials to someone else to link them up).
Sony have confirmed their machine works completely offline. The vast majority of what MS have implemented would not even be possible for Sony under that scenario
The gift that keeps on giving. GG.
I guess I missed this. Link?
You have 24 hours to establish an internet connection, otherwise you can't play your games.
megashock5
Member
Of all of the issues with what MS is doing, THIS is the one that's the dealbreaker for me.
I really liked the 360, but I want to buy games, not rent them for a few years.
Dear God, please let Sony's solution be less awful.
fluffydelusions
Member
This guy is amazing.
notoccupanther
Member
There's his pitiful bonce again ...
http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/07/xbox-one-and-the-corporate-war-against-consumers-3832082/
http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/07/xbox-one-and-the-corporate-war-against-consumers-3832082/
why wouldn't they let you swap the disc? You can't use it without the code anyway, take as many discs as you want. Also, you could just download it in this hypothetical situation.
notoccupanther
Member
what if ..
DRM Enabled games
Games costing 15-20 squids from the get go . micropayments!
what then?
DRM Enabled games
Games costing 15-20 squids from the get go . micropayments!
what then?
I still can't believe Microsoft is actually going through with this, even in it's current form. I'm not supporting this shit.
I have a 360 and I love it. It's the only console I still play on, but I found out that I'm only playing singleplayer games on the console (which I sometimes buy used), and the only multiplayer game I'm playing is Call of Duty. It isn't worth it anymore to pay for the console, the Xbox Live subscription and Call of Duty just to enjoy the online experience of the game.
I have a 360 and I love it. It's the only console I still play on, but I found out that I'm only playing singleplayer games on the console (which I sometimes buy used), and the only multiplayer game I'm playing is Call of Duty. It isn't worth it anymore to pay for the console, the Xbox Live subscription and Call of Duty just to enjoy the online experience of the game.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I recall Microsoft doing a sweeping Live ban right around the time of a new CoD launch, and system sales spiked, while Craigslist was flooded with modded 360 units.
Sounds like they know what to do.
IdiotMyshkin
Banned
Keep dreaming
Where I used to work when a user left we would write in the case notes 'user disabled' to reflect the fact that the AD account had been 'disabled'
HR didn't like that and asked us to use 'dis-enabled'
I wish I was making that up
Simpsonology
Neo Member
I think we are not reading the same page, I mean how can this be better or acceptable? They just confirmed their anti-consumer politics. If they continue with this, PS4 is my next console fore sure, and shame as I wanted to start with Xbox console this generation.
PrimaNocta
Member
I'm fine with the used game DRM since I buy new 99% of the time. What has me leaning towards a PS4 for my gaming next gen is that you can't play games offline. That seems ridiculous to me.
This is coming from someone with over 75 xbox 360 games & 5 PS3 games.
This is coming from someone with over 75 xbox 360 games & 5 PS3 games.