Xbox One will be Number One in Sales
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Neander
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Yes, but that change came about because Square completely abandoned Nintendo after SNES and went exclusive with Sony for two generations. Are you suggesting companies will abandon Microsoft in similar fashion?
Doubtful. I agree about Europe (outside of the UK) and Japan though.
You do realize this was the same argument made at the beginning of this gen about games like GTA and Madden right?
It was inconceivable to many that people wouldn't stick with the so-called "PS2 franchises" by getting a PS3.
Bjoern the Smexy
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Even if the Xbone sells 5 million due to CoD Ghosts, there is no way in hell it will sale even two million more after every CoD guy has his console.
Came to post this.
I knew a dudebro once. He bought used games and sometimes traded them with another friend of his. Maybe i should warn him about this all in One experience.
SapientWolf
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They're not known for being early adopters though. They're gonna dudebro it up on the PS3 and 360 for awhile.
SpinningBirdKick
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No, I skipped this PS3 this generation for far less.
It doesn't matter how great your games are, if you implement anti-consumer practices or treat your potential customers like dirt then I will never purchase your system and wish nothing but failure for your endeavours.
No one outside the USA will give a shit about the TV stuff. We don't use cable or care about NFL and Ps3 can already be used as a DVR.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Why not? What's stopping Sony from regaining market share in the US. They had it 7 years ago before the PS3.
Those were qualities needed when it was coming off of a console that was 100 million south of the industry leader. It's name wasn't synonymous with gaming. It didn't have a region to call its own. The platform was very much in its infancy. I've said it before, but the combination described in the bolded is the only way the Xbox One is going to concede market share, and I don't see either being an issue.
Logic? I've already gone over it several times within this thread.
The Incarnation
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So were the Wii users at one point. No one quite knows if the Dudebro market wants to move onto another system.
Always-honest
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Probably not.
I'm not american.
But i agree a lot of people will buy this shit like it's all a good thing.
I'm not american.
But i agree a lot of people will buy this shit like it's all a good thing.
Psycho_Mantis
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I don't think thats an apt comparison at all. First like you said, the Wii had global appeal. This Xbox is aimed at Americans.
Secondly, why did so many people buy the wii? To play games....albeit casual games but they were still playing games. No one bought a wii for a media hub and I am betting the number of people who buy video games consoles for media content rather games is far less than the people who buy one for games.
disappeared
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And what exactly is Xbox offering to that crowd? Had CoD and Madden become Xbox exclusives while I wasn't looking? Is Halo still going to be that relevant moving forward?
ThisWreckage
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You're out of your mind if you don't think Sony won't regain at least some market share. Without the 599.99 albatross and launching a year later than their competitor Sony is going into this generation poised.
Anticitizen One
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stop playin'
Neander
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That's why I said "Sure, that can change". But really, as far as GTA went, it took Microsoft millions of dollars in advertising and money hatting exclusive GTA dlc episodes for people to look the other way. Right now I think GTA is pretty neutral in that it sells well on both platforms.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Every new console generation is like a clean slate the way I see it.
I'll let you know once e3 comes around. It's kind of misguided to come to any type of conclusions about a platform until all the cards are on the table, especially when one of the cards yet to be played is as significant as ~95% of the library being unannounced.
they may still have a price albatross . If sony launches at $400 and ms launches at $300 with Kinect included it could put sony in the same spot (or $500/$400) .
We really don't know who will have the pricing advantage .
90TilInfinity
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The UK will be decided on price/value as always. If the two launch at the same price then it's a coin flip. Ultimately it'll come down to well marketed/interesting looking games.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
It saddens me posts like this are tolerated here.
Talk about niche extremisim. I miss the good ol' days, ya know, where we talked about the industry, and weren't allowed to make backwater posts that did nothing but insult a segment of the very industry that we came here to discuss.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What are you on man? The Kinect originally launched at 150 bucks and the 360 today costs 249. You're telling me they're gonna launch a brand new console with a brand new Kinect for LESS than it costs to buy the older versions of those things today? At a price below the Wii U?! Is that what you're saying?
it's rumored they were going to do a subsidized $299.99 thing for launch, but recently scrapped those plans.
those days never existed. go back fifteen years and i'm sure you'll find people giddy at the thought of sega being on their way out.
Edit: nvm
Yep the uk is a fickle bitch, we seem to flop from one to the other nearly every gen. Its floped from ninty to sega getting a fair share to sony for two gens then to 360, 360 got a foothold as it was £100+ cheaper and launched a year and a bit before. As you say if they launch same time frame same price range it could go either way.
I honestly don't think it's going to be "big" in the USA as well. Many are already writing it off as a IR blaster gimmick soon as they found out they have to still use a provider's cable box.
I think MS is in a bad position here, and Sony is desperate to get to the top again and dominate. Especially after that simply awful X1 unveiling event, Sony is smelling blood. Only thing that MS can do is hope they can throw enough money at advertising and the press, while effectively undercutting the PS4's price substantially.
The 3rd console curse hit MS hard and their arrogance is beyond what Sony exhibited leading up to the PS3.
I'm actually kinda curious to see the numbers for Halo, though even with Halo being a big deal the Xbox was a distant second behind the PS2, even in the US. I guess they would keep the X1 from being an out and out failure and maybe even Microsoft's banking on a small audience given ad revenue, but in that case I'd have to hope at the least that their influence ends up minimal.
Yeah, even in the US it's close enough that next to no one's shafting it on multiplatform titles and it's even getting a solid number of exclusives, and I could see the Xbox's momentum collapsing and Sony overtaking if they truly do fumble this. It's not like when Sega behind so badly even doing relatively well with the DC simply didn't cut it.
Bam Bam Baklava
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GAF also thought the Wii U would bomb and that Sony was poised for disaster with the PS3.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Yea. Well, you're one of the few names I think of when I recollect, mostly because of, ya know, the sarcasm. Its the self-importance of the younger generation I laugh at. C'mon, we are just the loudest of the margin. Respect that.
I agree with momentum being behind Sony in terms of Europe and Japan, considering the fact that the sales of the Playstation 3 are reflective of that. But Microsoft's dominance in North America is well documented, and it hasn't conceded an inch in years. Month after month, the Xbox 360 has outsold the Playstation 3. The former is inherently synonymous with gaming in this region, and that notion has only strengthened.
And this is despite the fact that there hasn't been a proper price drop in years, and a software lineup that is painfully lacking in comparison to the competition. Yes, Sony once held this position, but they gave it up by releasing at an absurd price and allowing the competition to undercut their release date by a year. These are things that are unlikely to happen with Xbox One, and honestly speaking, them ultimately occurring are two of the few ways Microsoft can manage to concede market share.
Microsoft's positioning within the United States is simply too strong. Unlike the transition from the Playstation 2 to Playstation 3, people are invested within the online ecosystem of the Xbox platform. Games like Madden and Call of Duty are some of the biggest players in gaming, and their experience is inherently tied to multiplayer, a style of gaming that people tend to prefer to play with friends. With that in mind, people are likely to purchase the system that their friends purchase, especially if online gaming is a priority. And Microsoft is smart enough to bend over backwards for large publishers like EA and Activision, which is why they'll be given exclusive content and advertisements that ultimately pushes the Xbox platform as the system for these games. Madden and Call of Duty aren't exclusive to the Xbox, but their names are much more associated with the platform than any other, and that inherent relation is worth its weight in gold.
There's nothing outrageous or controversial about my assessments of the next generation. It's all pretty logical. A consoles success is ultimately about mainstream perception and establishing name recognition. This is how something like the original Kinect can be successful despite being completely trashed behind the scenes. It's all about molding positive perception and a positive narrative in the mainstream sphere, two areas that Microsoft have proven to be masters at within the gaming industry.
Everyone was predicting PS4 to not exist and Sony going bankrupt or making a weak console.
Xbox 1 was predicted to do great and even target europe but after the console is revealed people opinion have changed and rightfully so.
Anticitizen One
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Can't wait to revisit this thread in 2 weeks when Microsoft drops the killer app, kinect yoga
Psycho_Mantis
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This is just as stupid as people saying the most powerful console has never sold the most as an indication to a consoles success or failure on the market.
I still can't comprehend all the claims about "dudebros" adopting Xbox One as fast as possible due to Madden, FIFA and COD.
I mean, not only entry price is probably going to be very high given what we know and Kinect being included (the lowest price possible is 399$), but Madden and FIFA and COD will still be on PS3 and 360. And, on top of that, with this gen online communities became fundamental for massive-selling multiplayer titles. Since Xbox One won't have cross-gen multiplayer, whoever buys an Xbox One and one of those games will be part of a very, very small community, composed of only Xbox One users. And the same problem can happen to PS4, but so far PS4 doesn't seem to rely so much on these kind of gamers as Xbox One. I mean, Sony showed Knack as their first official PS4 title; MS showed...CG/pre-rendered videos for EA Sports titles.
I mean, not only entry price is probably going to be very high given what we know and Kinect being included (the lowest price possible is 399$), but Madden and FIFA and COD will still be on PS3 and 360. And, on top of that, with this gen online communities became fundamental for massive-selling multiplayer titles. Since Xbox One won't have cross-gen multiplayer, whoever buys an Xbox One and one of those games will be part of a very, very small community, composed of only Xbox One users. And the same problem can happen to PS4, but so far PS4 doesn't seem to rely so much on these kind of gamers as Xbox One. I mean, Sony showed Knack as their first official PS4 title; MS showed...CG/pre-rendered videos for EA Sports titles.
Dudebro games will mostly be cross platform. Dudebro gamers go where their fellow dudebros go. So if MS gets off to a slow start vs PS4, that could snowball quickly away from MS. So that part of the equation is up for grabs IMO. They will go in with the brand recognition and likely first choice, so the challenge is for Sony to get the message across and get people to switch. launch is critical while both sides have zero online user base
Call of Duty and Madden are just examples of the style of game popular within the demographic we're discussing. Halo and Gears of War are some other examples. As is something like Battlefield and Assassins Creed.