analog_future
Resident Crybaby
So being transparent is... bad now?
Framing this as a bad move by Xbox is really grasping at straws.
Framing this as a bad move by Xbox is really grasping at straws.
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Xbox Store emphasizes digital games are licenses, not ownership
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ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
This is just a law-required disclaimer and pure nothingburger.
Surprised that this thread is not locked.
Surprised that this thread is not locked.
ReyBrujo
Member
Windows users have known that since they started installing Windows.
PlayStaytion
Member
Villains have to exist in every story.I think if Xbox does go away, the thread count on gaf will probably drop by like 80 percent.
CrimsonTide
Banned
When this first kinda started weren't we told it would be cheaper? for the reasons you listed
But nah, it's just MORE money for the companies at this point. At least PC games have many competing store fronts to buy Steam and GOG keys from to keep prices down. Not really the case on consoles sadly
CentralScrutinizer
Member
Oh for sure. I am just pointing out that its been obvious that EVEN DISCS don't represent ownership, just licensing. We have known that specific thing for over 15 years.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
PlayStaytion
Member
Targeting new audience is the next logical step, every other compony did it and ran away from increasing the cost of both hardware and software. We saw it with Mobile, Sony, Nintendo, PC, Apple, both in hardware and software and on different regions.I think if Xbox does go away, the thread count on gaf will probably drop by like 80 percent.
Lucifers Beard
Member
I mean it's what it is. My stance is that if any of the licenses for the games I've purchased are revoked then I'll be finding alternative ways of accessing those titles that I paid to play...
I really should move over to GOG for PC games in all honesty. It's just a fucker getting that kind of stuff on Steam Deck and I'd rather buy them on Steam simply down to the way SteamOS does all the shader precompilation during the download stage. Games from other store fronts don't seem to perform quite as well for me on Deck.
I really should move over to GOG for PC games in all honesty. It's just a fucker getting that kind of stuff on Steam Deck and I'd rather buy them on Steam simply down to the way SteamOS does all the shader precompilation during the download stage. Games from other store fronts don't seem to perform quite as well for me on Deck.
demigod
Gold Member
Yes you do, just like you own a car if you paid for it.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Whether you can actually play it or not is dependent on what type of game it is
Most physical copies are just license as well that can be pulled at any time
Guilty_AI
Member
Not if the car comes with a remote switch that stops it from working
Alx
Member
You own your car, you can take out its engine, build something else using it and sell it as another product.
You cannot rip off a game engine, or it's resources, and use it for something else. They're not yours and you do not own the content of the game, you only bought the right to play it. Just like you do not really own the movies you bought on discs, only the right to watch them.
In the case of a physical game/movie, that right is not limited in time and transferable by selling the support, but it is still a user license.
demigod
Gold Member
Those games will tell you on the back of the box that online is required and yes those can be shut down any minute.
Which physical games that do not require online that you own that was pulled?
CrimsonTide
Banned
Sadly physical games today, not all, but some either don't have the full game on it, or needs a major Day One patch in which case, the disc is a half baked game.
I would say older games and carts you do "own" in that sense. My PS1 games will always be full copies of games and can be played anytime regardless what Sony does.
Js562
Member
So does Steam ...
My manLectureMaster shoveling through the reddit trenches trying to find negative stuff to post about Xbox.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
Slowly building out my library on GOG.
THIS IS THE WAY
CrimsonTide
Banned
I do love how they have tons of the classics. Huge fan of me some GOG. DRM free and all that jazz too
Slowly building out my library on GOG.
THIS IS THE WAY
Guilty_AI
Member
demigod
you laugh but this is an actual thing that exists
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
CrimsonTide
Banned
Didn't some cars either implement or spoke to implementing monthly subscriptions for like heated seats? Don't pay, they shut it off? which sounds wild
John Deere Remotely Disables Tractors Stolen in Ukraine by Russian Troops
Grain and cereal theft by Russian troops has become a common practice. Now they also took tractors and machinery that cannot be used.
Edit: Appears they did and was going to be $15-$20 per MONTH for a heated seat. Due to backlash BMW scrapped it. But shows just how much these companies love squeezing the consumer dry
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
At one point couldn't OnStar disable your vehicle if it was reported stolen?
John Deere Remotely Disables Tractors Stolen in Ukraine by Russian Troops
Grain and cereal theft by Russian troops has become a common practice. Now they also took tractors and machinery that cannot be used.
demigod
Gold Member
Name me some physical offline games that you own and cannot access, i'll wait.
John Deere Remotely Disables Tractors Stolen in Ukraine by Russian Troops
Grain and cereal theft by Russian troops has become a common practice. Now they also took tractors and machinery that cannot be used.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yes. Thieves know where the OnStar GPS antennas/boards are in the hot cars they want and tend to rip them out now.
CrimsonTide
Banned
Apparently theres a site that tracks this stuff
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Odd world we live in when physical games (at least in my country) are 68€ when preordered but 80€ for a licence of a product.
Shouldn't licences be cheaper since we don't really own a product?
Shouldn't licences be cheaper since we don't really own a product?
Guilty_AI
Member
No shit sherlock, the software being offline is what gives you control over it. Name me some digital offline games you own and cannot access.
demigod
Gold Member
Already knew you couldn't.
Mr Moose
Member
You own the disc but not the software on the disc, you own a license for that software.
Same with movies and music.
demigod
Gold Member
I'm not disputing that. No company will physically go to your house to take it back. The only way they can is if you violate their policies by pirating games where they can brick your console.
lastmessiah
Member
Cool short bus thread.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Ok?
The fine print being more front and center isn't necessarily a bad change
edit: so it's the publisher doing it?.
The fine print being more front and center isn't necessarily a bad change
edit: so it's the publisher doing it?.
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coffinbirth
Member
This was used as a preorder ad for all platforms as well....
Fbh
Member
That's true for all digital games on all major storefronts. (and technically true for physical games too)
How Xbox being upfront about it can be see as a negative thing is beyond me.
Love GOG, it's a shame most games don't release on it.
DRM free digital games are the best way to "own" games IMO. You can have an offline installer saved locally on your PC and create multiple backups of it as you see fit. Access to your games doesn't depend on servers staying online, you not violating some 100 page TOS or some physical madia that can break and/or degrade over time.
How Xbox being upfront about it can be see as a negative thing is beyond me.
Slowly building out my library on GOG.
THIS IS THE WAY
Love GOG, it's a shame most games don't release on it.
DRM free digital games are the best way to "own" games IMO. You can have an offline installer saved locally on your PC and create multiple backups of it as you see fit. Access to your games doesn't depend on servers staying online, you not violating some 100 page TOS or some physical madia that can break and/or degrade over time.
crackajack
Member
You can't price gouge essential products, I guess food, electricity, water, but digital entertainment could even be more expensive than physical if the market, the people, allows it. It's not any company's fault if people pay the same for a mostly inferior, just more convenient product.
Clarifying what "buying" means is definitely important. It boggles my mind how often I read questions in youtube videos about Plus games staying in their library if they end their subscription. No idea how people still don't know that those "free" games go away, once the money stops flowing and regularly disappear from the Extra and Premium tiers even if it says they are in your library, at the moment.
Guilty_AI
Member
Neither can you name mine apparently
CrimsonTide
Banned
The downside to physical is someone robbing you, house fires, weather events that destroy your home, floods, media breaking, forced to sell due to life circumstances and needing money etc I do own hundreds of games physically.
But it's nice to have a user name and password and bam.. full access to my collection no matter where I am.
I have to import my games from USA, which costs $20 more and there's a good deal of waiting involved, so I usually buy digital.
If I had stores that sell the game for the right price basically everywhere I wouldnt buy digital EVER, I don't know why digital cought up so much in the States, there's a fucking GameStop on every corner.
If I had stores that sell the game for the right price basically everywhere I wouldnt buy digital EVER, I don't know why digital cought up so much in the States, there's a fucking GameStop on every corner.
Unrivaledx88
Member
Bro i hate this POV, when was the last time you lost access to a game You bought a license too that you havent played to death and got sick of it…. And even if you lose access to it itll be 10 years later or down the line and you wont even care about it anymore….
Some Ppl will cry "OMG i spent 70 Dollars on this game 15 yrs agooo" who cares honestly. Enjoyed it back then and moved on. Money well spent
Barely lose license to important games anyway
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
You forgot the retailers cut on the purchase.
Which can be between 25/40%
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Vlodril
Member
Slowly building out my library on GOG.
THIS IS THE WAY
That is indeed the way. Everything else is bullshit. This whole you don't own anything is pure crap and people should not just accept it because corporations just say so. If i buy something it should be mine.