afreaknamedpete
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Well a Blaster Launcher is certainly one way to make Heavies much better early game units.
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XCOM: Enemy Unknown |OT| Neo GAF is Under Alien Control
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TheJollyCorner
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haven't dug through the bulk of this thread yet, but is there any pulse on how well this game has done sales-wise?
I would love, love, to see Firaxis make another XCOM, but use TERROR FROM THE DEEP as the main inspiration. I need my underwater aliens!
Bring on the Gillmen!!!
I would love, love, to see Firaxis make another XCOM, but use TERROR FROM THE DEEP as the main inspiration. I need my underwater aliens!
Bring on the Gillmen!!!
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
There's a tendancy to think they suck because of their low aim and movement, but that's because they don't' know how OP rockets + in the zone is.
Sentenza
Member
That's exactly how it reads.
MrCompletely
Member
I love this game and think they did a fantastic job with "fan management" and PR up to release, but this DLC sounds underwhelming and the fact that they're charging $5 for the elite soldier pack is insulting.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yep. I used to prefer suppression, but I converted to the "blow shit up" school of thought. Destroying cover from a distance is just way too useful. It means I don't have to flank as much anymore to get a high % shot.
Sentenza
Member
I'm honestly disappointed with the idea to add more linear and story driven missions.
I was hoping to see future DLCs and expansions more focused on improving the "sandbox" part of the campaign, which is honestly also the most lacking portion of the game.
So I failed my first attempt at Classic Ironman. Things were going well too.
It was that damn VIP mission... things started going to shit when I blew up all the cover with my heavy rockets and grenades... and then my support panicked and merkd the VIP. Mission was already failed, and then I had no cover to move up to and the aliens just sat there in the fog behind high cover waiting for me, for like 4 turns... it was a bloodbath.. everyone died.
Next mission was a terror mission where I lost 5 of 6 dudes to chrysalides and cyberdisks, but I beat it, saved 7 of 18 civilians.
Next mission was the alien base, bringing out heavy plasma and titan armor for the first time and everyone still died. Last turn was my sniper dumping pistol rounds into a berserkers face at point blank range while he was surrounded by 3 other muttons... picture blackhawk down except with giant bloodlusting alien brutes instead of poor people.
Ended up back at HQ with 2 dudes left in the barracks, both snipers, and 1 credit left to my name. Just said F it and started over.
I love my heavies, holo targeting +suppression = enemy get's -30 aim and can't move while everyone else in your squad gets bonus aim against them. Double bonus. Plus with rockets, you can throw a scope on your heavy without giving up the function of the grenade.
It was that damn VIP mission... things started going to shit when I blew up all the cover with my heavy rockets and grenades... and then my support panicked and merkd the VIP. Mission was already failed, and then I had no cover to move up to and the aliens just sat there in the fog behind high cover waiting for me, for like 4 turns... it was a bloodbath.. everyone died.
Next mission was a terror mission where I lost 5 of 6 dudes to chrysalides and cyberdisks, but I beat it, saved 7 of 18 civilians.
Next mission was the alien base, bringing out heavy plasma and titan armor for the first time and everyone still died. Last turn was my sniper dumping pistol rounds into a berserkers face at point blank range while he was surrounded by 3 other muttons... picture blackhawk down except with giant bloodlusting alien brutes instead of poor people.
Ended up back at HQ with 2 dudes left in the barracks, both snipers, and 1 credit left to my name. Just said F it and started over.
I love my heavies, holo targeting +suppression = enemy get's -30 aim and can't move while everyone else in your squad gets bonus aim against them. Double bonus. Plus with rockets, you can throw a scope on your heavy without giving up the function of the grenade.
afternoon delight
Member
I am playing on Normal and Classic alternatively, but Suppression is my godsend. Covers an Assault Run and Gun attack, a Sniper approach and kill, etc.
Dude Abides
Banned
They are very popular with Jeff Gerstmann.
afternoon delight
Member
Yeah. They're just making sure not to diminish the rewards of DLC cash. Which I'm okay with buuuuut Civ5 has sublime mod support. Would love to see the same system implemented.
I'm don't want to be defense force, just realistic force. But from what I've seen out of Jake Solomon (on GB, and all the other preview coverage), I really don't get the feeling that they are trying to "get away with" taking your money (except $5 for the elite pack is too much, don't buy).
To me, it sounds more like they didn't plan for mod support, where as the DLC has been in the pipeline for awhile... so this stuff is planned, on a schedule, people already assigned: it's gonna happen. Mod support was not planned, not on a schedule, nobody's assigned to it.. so naturally it's going to come out after the DLC... or at least NOT before the first DLC.
Also, I will buy this DLC, but I wish it was more then just some council missions... probably just coming out first because it was the easiest to do... I'd really like some more developed multiplayer, and just extra modes in general. Replay function, Skirmish vs PC, maybe some kind of endless mode.
The idea of a "hero" character is really not appealing to me. The heroes in this game are supposed to happen naturally through the way the game plays out, not dictated to you by a story mission.
Also, more story in general is not appealing to me. Find away to add the varied objectives into the standard play through without shoe-horning more "story" in please.
Edit: I revise my statement to say "I will buy this DLC, as long as there is a way to toggle it on/off in game" If I don't want to do it, I won't be happy with the mission just sitting there in the situation room waiting for me to take it on.... ehh, now I am conflicted. Why release lame DLC Firaxis? I want to give you my money, but you are making it difficult.
To me, it sounds more like they didn't plan for mod support, where as the DLC has been in the pipeline for awhile... so this stuff is planned, on a schedule, people already assigned: it's gonna happen. Mod support was not planned, not on a schedule, nobody's assigned to it.. so naturally it's going to come out after the DLC... or at least NOT before the first DLC.
Also, I will buy this DLC, but I wish it was more then just some council missions... probably just coming out first because it was the easiest to do... I'd really like some more developed multiplayer, and just extra modes in general. Replay function, Skirmish vs PC, maybe some kind of endless mode.
The idea of a "hero" character is really not appealing to me. The heroes in this game are supposed to happen naturally through the way the game plays out, not dictated to you by a story mission.
Also, more story in general is not appealing to me. Find away to add the varied objectives into the standard play through without shoe-horning more "story" in please.
Edit: I revise my statement to say "I will buy this DLC, as long as there is a way to toggle it on/off in game" If I don't want to do it, I won't be happy with the mission just sitting there in the situation room waiting for me to take it on.... ehh, now I am conflicted. Why release lame DLC Firaxis? I want to give you my money, but you are making it difficult.
In some points, no, but in other points it surpasses it. So the answer, to me, is "Yes with a but." It's definitely a worthy XCOM game, at least.
Unhandled Exception
Member
So the DLC won't add any new maps to mp? Maybe they'll at least fix the busted UI.
Sentenza
Member
Not even remotely, but it's a good game nevertheless.
Incendiary
Banned
I don't usually use more than one Heavy, I feel like all the other classes justify having multiples while once you get a fully upgraded Heavy with Shredder + Dual Rockets + multiple Grenades, you really only need one explosive powerhouse. But yeah, that one Heavy on my team wrecks shit up, or at least causes massive damage allowing my other guys to mop up the kills after.
Yes and no, it fixes many problems of original, but add new ones and simplify too much. Its awesome game, but they needed at least half a year more and less focus group testing to make it classic game
Boss Riovane
Member
Well finally beat the game. Enjoyed every second minus the graphical errors(models and backgrounds wouldnt load;disappearing shivs, etc.). The ending was fairly bittersweet and kinda cinematic. Example
Absolutely loved the game ready to dive into second playthrough. And that dlc announcement im looking forward to it but its a little underwhelming.
my wifes avatar was my chosen one and my avatar was an assault in ghost armor and run and gun ran up the middle and used rapid fire , killed the final ethereal and the cutscene that played was more poignant because the other character pushed out was myself and my sister. Yeah serious family affair.
Shouta
Member
Rockets are pretty indispensable for heavier firefights if you ask me. Destruction of cover plus it softens, if not outright kills, enemies which allows you to clean up with the other classes. Sniper benefits very much from this like Renta pointed out.
I've been considering focusing more on Heavies than Assaults in another run but I'm playing Valkyria Chronicles 3. It's kinda making me wish they did more with the base they have right now. For such a big game, it's kinda lite.
care to elaborate on the problems? I've been gaming on PC for 20 years and this game seems pretty incredible to me. first time I've played a game for 8 hours straight without stopping in a long time.
There's not as many options at the strategic layer as a lot of people would like [it's a lot more controlled, single-directional upgrade path now] is my main beef. Some people aren't cool with the discovery mechanics but I'm not one of them.
Also it's buggy as shit right now for some people.
Also it's buggy as shit right now for some people.
Shouta
Member
Yeah, from an option standpoint, it's a pretty limited game. 3 weapons for each class, limited item selection, skill trees only have 2 skills per level, not much in the way of terrain effects outside of height, and a bunch of other things. The combat is pretty solid but it's kind of lacking in flavor, I guess.
Base-building is like boring and useless after awhile too.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The problems only really manifest themselves once you've played through the game mulitiple times enough to have figured out an optimal strategy.
The first few times through, there is enough stuff you don't know to make the game appear more dynamic than it really is.
That being said, it's still a magnificent game, and even after multiple playthoughs there are still some things that can pop up that'll keep you on your toes.
One of the problems
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How is he not flanked?
Overwatch failed to activate 4 times yesterday, good luck playing Impossible with such bugs
Alien spawns are ridiculously stupid at times, like yesterday i was on a mission and was moving my squad on edge of the map and i met 3 sectoid groups in 5 moves.
Window visibility is sometimes dodgy, and there is almost no point in supermarket that isnt transparent from the inside and that means, that You cant effectively cover behind the supermarkets walls
Aliens accuracy is not balanced at all.
Whole 'aliens has a move after discovery' is bad gameplay mechanic.
forgeforsaken
Member
ah so it's the typical gaf, "after playing this game for 300 hours I decided that it wasn't very good"
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Overwatch failed to activate 4 times yesterday, good luck playing Impossible with such bugs
Are you sure it was a bug? Overwatch doesn't activate unless an alien makes a move after already being within your vision. If an alien stops movement on the exact tile on the edge of your vision, overwatch will not trigger.
That's why moving to the corner of a building does not trigger fire from an overwatching alien around the corner.
Lostconfused
Member
Overwatch is not good to begin with, and won't work if enemies are out of line of sight or move behind full cover before shooting you.
Aliens move after discovery because most of the time they are sitting out in the open and it would be too easy to mop them up with some free shots. It's only a problem with Crysalids and Berserkers. Because they run straight for your squad and end up within killing distance at the start of their turn. Which does make it slightly unfair.
I've had this screw me over me several times as an alien moved along the side of the building and got a free shot at the soldier peeking through the one of the corners of the doorway.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Not that the game "wasn't very good". More like, here are some issues that I would like to see addressed.
I don't really agree with this on a tactical level; things like map cover steadily being destroyed, fires changing positioning availability and line of sight keep it interesting. Added complexity isn't always the greatest option and here I think the design decision to keep it relatively constrained is a good one. But I wouldn't mind experimenting with other things (proxy mines! Sentry turrets!) with mod tools...
Yes, i know how it works and when You look at it, there is one tile difference to the complete 90 degree, but come on, he was clearly exposed, but instead he got full cover ...
Alien in this situation would have 100% chance to hit You.
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Two aliens run at close range to my soldiers and it didnt activate, one time it was a corner, so it could be ok, but 4th time it was wide open and soldier had to see him.
Shouta
Member
I was pretty annoyed with what seems like uniform defense bonuses based on cover and how a lot of things were destroyed pretty easily. Adjusting to new cover is good but it just doesn't feel like I'm doing much after awhile because it becomes pretty routine. Adding a bit on top to give you a bit more to consider would benefit the game without getting too heavy, like say being able to target cover directly or shooting floors in certain situations that will make your opponents fall to the lower level and take damage, etc. Obstructions that could be manipulated would be somewhat interesting as well to give stages a unique feel. It's not like you'd need to have a new system in place but giving some more rewards for creative thinking and play would be pretty fun.
Plus, line of sight is somewhat inconsistent. I wish they would've shown it in a more transparent manner so I know what my soldiers were looking at.
afreaknamedpete
Member
Felt like the Outsiders were a missed opportunity in that regard. The whole materialization aspect of them would've been a great way to justify a deployable cover item.
Impeccable
Member
No one seems to acknowledge all the bugs, especially on the PS3 version.
I've had one save file "break" (game freezes every skyranger landing).
I've had one random lock-up where I can't save or do anything it's stuck in a solider move phase that cost me an hour or so of work.
And another bug where all the overlay stuff from the base is pasted over the cutscenes.
It's broken.
Hmm, haven't encountered any of those yet. The most annoying bug that I've had more than once is my heavy not getting into cover when he should be.
Anyway, I quit out of the loading screen and loaded my latest autosave, worked fine after that.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
It does this a lot. It also hangs sometimes at the end of actions and during alien activity. My camera sometimes fucks up too and drags to one side. It's definitely one of the buggiest games i've played this year.