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Xenoblade Chronicles |OT| Man, what a bunch of jokers.
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RPGCrazied
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It's a fucking Wii game. ;/
Some people. The Wii isn't even capable of those graphics. Joke is on them.
Some people. The Wii isn't even capable of those graphics. Joke is on them.
donkey show
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And towns.Antagon said:
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Wii can do better than that. Tales of Graces looks more high qualitty overall in its textures and character models in particular and geometry in general and that's still a not very high budget production as usual. I'd personally be very disappointed if Dragon Quest X doesn't completely blow this out of the water. I didn't watch the video but I don't see the harm if they were like "obviously it doesn't look as good as FFXIII, but" or something, though I admit FFXIII might not be the best example given how far it is in concept and all its own flaws. Anyway, yeah, I can't wait for this game. What it lacks in visual polish (ugh @ those character models) it seems to make up for with the design of the world and its open nature. Not that it couldn't have had both, had it gotten a bigger budget and more talent in the development team, but it's still going to be great to have.RPGCrazied said:
Alextended said:
I don't think "more talent in the development team" is something that can be accurately applied to Monolith Soft. The graphics were probably a design choice early on to allow for such detailed worlds.
What it lacks for in individual model detail it makes up for in an absolutely gorgeous world.
I'd argue that from a purely technical standpoint, Xenoblade is a lot more impressive than Tales of Graces. There's always a tradeoff to be made, and going with lower poly characters and pumping as much as possible in the environments instead was absolutely the way to go. When you actually play the game, you look at the world, not the characters.Alextended said:
RPGCrazied
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Well, I'm not expecting it to look like Final Fantasy XIII, or anywhere near its quality. Specially since I'm going to play it on a 32" 720p TV. Thank god for Component Cables. Even then, I agree it does look bad.
I still dick with my TV settings for Wii games, nothing really helps. Though having a low sharpness really does help. Mine is like on 0 - 3 for sharpness.
I still dick with my TV settings for Wii games, nothing really helps. Though having a low sharpness really does help. Mine is like on 0 - 3 for sharpness.
Princess Skittles
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That's way too long for me, I don't feel so bad about waiting this out now. If it comes out in North America, I'll get it and give it a shot. Anyway, I think a friend of mine might import, so I'll probably get to try before I make a decision. At least, that's what I'm hoping.weeaboo said:70/80 hours without sidequest. And looks like there are hundreds of sidequest
Sammy Samusu
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That's a fucked up review, lol.
HisshouBuraiKen
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Those Who Bear Their Name in OP! I love it
You can't complete all of them though, there are many where you have to choose which one to complete, like when more than one person wants the fetch item and you can only get one. Who do you give it to, and how does it affect their lives afterwards? Fun stuff like that.
But yes, even without doing any of them (and you'll be grinding monsters a lot if you don't, quests give lots of XP) Xenoblade is a loooooong game. Yes, the character models are of a much lower quality compared to the environments, but I found it didn't really detract from the game when I played it (I ragged on it early on and forgot about it as the story progressed). Rest assured this is a game you MUST play if you love RPGs, be they W or J.
wsippel said:
You can't complete all of them though, there are many where you have to choose which one to complete, like when more than one person wants the fetch item and you can only get one. Who do you give it to, and how does it affect their lives afterwards? Fun stuff like that.
But yes, even without doing any of them (and you'll be grinding monsters a lot if you don't, quests give lots of XP) Xenoblade is a loooooong game. Yes, the character models are of a much lower quality compared to the environments, but I found it didn't really detract from the game when I played it (I ragged on it early on and forgot about it as the story progressed). Rest assured this is a game you MUST play if you love RPGs, be they W or J.
RPGCrazied
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So does the new game plus mode let you keep everything? Level, gold, items? Is there a harder difficulty too?
HisshouBuraiKen said:Those Who Bear Their Name in OP! I love it
You can't complete all of them though, there are many where you have to choose which one to complete, like when more than one person wants the fetch item and you can only get one. Who do you give it to, and how does it affect their lives afterwards? Fun stuff like that.
But yes, even without doing any of them (and you'll be grinding monsters a lot if you don't, quests give lots of XP) Xenoblade is a loooooong game. Yes, the character models are of a much lower quality compared to the environments, but I found it didn't really detract from the game when I played it (I ragged on it early on and forgot about it as the story progressed). Rest assured this is a game you MUST play if you love RPGs, be they W or J.
I was pretty annoyed with the models as well, at first. Actually the worst offender was the lack of lip flaps in some areas, and just bad lip sync all around. I felt that I would have been happier if they spent a bit more time on the models themselves, rather than giving them such a large choice in armor. But honestly, by the end of the game, I don't think I'd have it any other way (unlike TLS where I still feel the customizable armor was for the worse.)
RPGCrazied said:
Most things are kept, some items you have to choose which ones you want to keep. Levels and relationship between characters are kept, but of course relationships between NPCs are wiped clean.
edit: Oh, and no boost in difficulty. There is one level 120 monster though.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I thought I acknowledged that.faridmon said:
And this.
Not really, no.
I guess, like the Wii is a Genesis compared to the PS3, right? Then what is the real Genesis (and a real corridor compared to Xenoblade)? There are instances of wide lush views showing the engine could handle such things, it's just not the game they wanted to make as it's a Tales of game and not Xenoblade (duh).
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47896.html
Lolwut? I just said Wii can do better, dude, what are you on about? For example, there's barely any fancy TEV use in Xenoblade, it's all done like PS2 tech, with a large scope. Hence why I said a bigger budget would have helped maintain higher quality throughout in some ways. And yes, more talent too, as low poly or not, some of those character models are just not appealing in any way and look very amateur hour to me, rather than awesome talent hindered by the technology.
I don't even know why I have to repeat and clarify my position, making it seem as if I'm bashing or ignoring the merits of a game I can't wait to play...
RPGCrazied
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Lissar said:
Awesome. I saw a level 92 in that Lets Play video. He was only like 14 or 15. :lol. Talk about being raped.
Becasue you are ignorant, actually. You want them to improve the amounts of polygons even though it clearly isn't possible due to what the game is. And you fail to realize that. Your comparison to Tales of Graces doesn't make any sense either. Do you really think that Tales of Graces' engine (or the graphical fidelity, for that matter) would work with the scope of Xenoblade? Because there are some areas where you can see a "lush view"?Alextended said:
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I don't think I said they should use more polygons anywhere. Not that this is out of the question with more optimisation, it's not like the DS where it's fixed amounts and unless you counted the polygons and saw that it reached some theoretical max for the Wii, well, yeah, thanks for being an ass. I guess TEV use is also absurd to expect, I'm so sorry.
RPGCrazied said:
Haha, yeah, there are a large variety of enemies in each area. You have to watch out or else you'll completely get your ass kicked even in the first area. Fortunately there isn't much of a penalty for dying, you just get sent back to the last landmark. Otherwise you'd constantly be cursing the game after you get jumped by level 70 monsters.
SciencePilot
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Nice, the official thread is put up! I'm sad I won't be able to join in on the discussion. Most everything about this game looks great, and I'm definitely going to play it when I have the chance. But that chance will probably be next year, unfortunately.
Spielewiese.de Review
90/100
it basically says:
Pro:
+ awsome graphics
+ great music
+ next to no loadingtimes
+ English + Japanese audio
+ combatsystem is dynamic and complex
+ save and load everywhere
+ gigantic amount of content
Contra:
- controll over other partymembers is restricted
- some fights are too hard
- char.models are blurry
- no gamecube controller support
- camera while combat not perfect
- some minor aliasing.
90/100
it basically says:
Pro:
+ awsome graphics
+ great music
+ next to no loadingtimes
+ English + Japanese audio
+ combatsystem is dynamic and complex
+ save and load everywhere
+ gigantic amount of content
Contra:
- controll over other partymembers is restricted
- some fights are too hard
- char.models are blurry
- no gamecube controller support
- camera while combat not perfect
- some minor aliasing.
RPGCrazied
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Lissar said:
I wonder if they have some phat loots. ^_^ Or maybe for a quest. If they just have XP, than meh.
PairOfFilthySocks
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RPGCrazied said:
>:| Where it always is, I'm assuming?
RPGCrazied
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PairOfFilthySocks said:
For PS3 games it set at like 11 - 12. I like to have some, in Wii games I use none to hide the fact no Wii game uses any antialasing.
Named mobs usually drop pretty good loot, yes. But not all those high level mobs you encounter are named mobs. Enemies are usually tiered. In the starting area for example, there are three or four tiers in different parts of the area. There's a cave you can theoretically enter right from the start, but it would be suicide considering you're level 2 and the standard mobs in there are level 40 or something. There's also an island with level 60 mobs if I remember correctly, and some level 80 mobs scattered around. Those are usually related to sidequests you get much later in the game. If you run in them underleveled, you're pretty much fucked, you usually won't even know what's hitting you.RPGCrazied said:
PairOfFilthySocks
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RPGCrazied said:
What's the maximum it can be set to?
RPGCrazied
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PairOfFilthySocks said:
100
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
FFXII models look way better than Xenoblade's though, except for stupid things like the main character's unfortunate case of tan lines. The detail in the environments is also higher iirc., at least in the closest LOD (which was really a bit too close, but hey, it's a damn PS2 game) and in the populated (and admitedly segmented) cities... Now I'm gonna get slammed for stating simple facts and told how FFXII is not open world either even though I didn't bring it up and even though the Wii is also not a PS2...Ultratech said:
So if Xenoblade hadn't even existed people could also sprout how open world RPGs aren't possible at all on Wii because nobody could show one, right? Great logic there.xtrasauce said:
PairOfFilthySocks
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RPGCrazied said:
Ah, nevermind, it's all gravy then. Never ceases to amaze me how some people will set their sharpness so high that there's bloody white outlines everywhere.
Extra Sauce
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Let's see another open-world game look as good as Xenoblade on the Wii.
Let's fucking see it.
Let's fucking see it.
RPGCrazied
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xtrasauce said:
Not any?
SecretMoblin
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So for those who have played it, or who have been following it more closely than me:
Does the game allow for some level grinding? I played through Chrono Cross for the first time a few months ago and was frustrated as hell that I couldn't grind a bit before boss fights. I'm a longtime Dragon Quest fan, so I enjoy games where grinding isn't strictly necessary but can be useful.
Does the game allow for some level grinding? I played through Chrono Cross for the first time a few months ago and was frustrated as hell that I couldn't grind a bit before boss fights. I'm a longtime Dragon Quest fan, so I enjoy games where grinding isn't strictly necessary but can be useful.
RPGCrazied
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SecretMoblin said:
I think you don't have to for Story? Long as you fight in the fields and dungeons when progressing story. Now if you want to fight those over-leveled monsters roaming the field I think its kinda necessary.
SecretMoblin
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RPGCrazied said:
Oooooh that makes me happy. I was one of those kids who spent hours at the Peninsula of Power, so I'll have fun with this.
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