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VictimOfGrief · Jun 23, 2005

Kobold said:
I think your wrong there. We will see the same problems this new next-gen, as we saw last (this still I guess) gen. Games will have frame drops, look ugly and even crash plenty.

It's all up to the budget and talent of the developers.

Let me rephrase that. My opinion is that most games will run at 60FPS plus. Sure, there will be some shit games but most of the AAA titles from 1st and 2nd party dev's will be smooth. I expect PGR3 will run at a solid 60FPS. Anything less is just not called for.

sprsk · Jun 23, 2005

this thread makes me so sad

dorio · Jun 23, 2005

God's Hand said:
lol, you guys actually thought that was a real shot? It doesn't look anywhere near real... But it's still nice.

Looks exactly like the small photo posted to me.

Dr_Cogent · Jun 23, 2005

sp0rsk said:
this thread makes me so sad

You'll get over it. :lol

seismologist · Jun 23, 2005

That is real PGR3 geometry taken from the game.

That's a pretty vague commitment. Is it an in-game screenshot or not?

I still say the texture resolution is too high to be in-game.

dorio · Jun 23, 2005

VictimOfGrief said:
Let me rephrase that. My opinion is that most games will run at 60FPS plus. Sure, there will be some shit games but most of the AAA titles from 1st and 2nd party dev's will be smooth. I expect PGR3 will run at a solid 60FPS. Anything less is just not called for.

I wouldn't make such proclamations. There will be plenty of developers who want to bring the hardware to its knees or are just too lazy, don't have the resources to optimize.

KingJ2002 · Jun 23, 2005

now that is impressive.

looking at those screens... if shenmue 3 were ever made for the 360... im sure it would looks amazing... CG quality will be there... definitely.

LakeEarth · Jun 23, 2005

Shogmaster said:
FOR THE LAST TIME: IN-GAME!!

Haha, even the menu on the door is the same, though I can't see it all.

Kiriku · Jun 23, 2005

I hope the realistic environments comes with a realistic framerate zing zing zing

imastalker co. · Jun 23, 2005

ok, let's back up a sec here. some of you guys are convinced 100% that that's an ingame shot?

man....

dorio · Jun 23, 2005

seismologist said:
That's a pretty vague commitment. Is it an in-game screenshot or not?

I still say the texture resolution is too high to be in-game.

The guy doesn't have much of a way with words.

Dr_Cogent · Jun 23, 2005

Johnny Nighttrain said:
ok, let's back up a sec here. some of you guys are convinced 100% that that's an ingame shot?

man....

Unless Ben is now lying.

dorio · Jun 23, 2005

Johnny Nighttrain said:
ok, let's back up a sec here. some of you guys are convinced 100% that that's an ingame shot?

man....

The guy from bizarre that posted it says its "game geometry".

DopeyFish · Jun 23, 2005

Dr_Cogent said:
Unless Ben is now lying.

and storefronts lost a bunch of minute details over night

imastalker co. · Jun 23, 2005

i dunno what to say.

this ones a bit much. it's like....alright, nevermind.

Dagless M.D. · Jun 23, 2005

There is nothing about this screenshot that shouldn't be able to be done in game on the 360. Why are people so adamant about it being a render?

PhatSaqs · Jun 23, 2005

Newbie said:
There is nothing about this screenshot that shouldn't be able to be done in game on the 360. Why are people so adamant about it being a render?

The 1.5 ideology is strong with GAF.

jet1911 · Jun 23, 2005

I think WallGuy killed the hope.

kaching · Jun 23, 2005

Johnny Nighttrain said:
ok, let's back up a sec here. some of you guys are convinced 100% that that's an ingame shot?

Yes.

sonycowboy · Jun 23, 2005

Newbie said:
There is nothing about this screenshot that shouldn't be able to be done in game on the 360. Why are people so adamant about it being a render?

It's going to happen ALOT this generation with the visuals these two systems can pump out.

Plus, PGR3 is simply looking far and away "more photorealistic" than ANY other 360 games, by far, at this point.

Pimpwerx · Jun 23, 2005

People are being skeptical to the point of being obnoxious now. That pic was pretty clearly not real once you looked for the telltale polys. This gen is gonna wipe the floor with last gen's. And last gen did the same with the previous one. I think it's time to start raising expectations, not lowering them. :? PEACE.

dorio · Jun 23, 2005

Shogmaster said:
FOR THE LAST TIME: IN-GAME!!

Nice find, Shog. You rock!

Shogmaster · Jun 23, 2005

dorio said:
Nice find, Shog. You rock!

I didn't find it, but could I take the compliment anyways?

dorio · Jun 23, 2005

sonycowboy said:
It's going to happen ALOT this generation with the visuals these two systems can pump out.

Plus, PGR3 is simply looking far and away "more photorealistic" than ANY other 360 games, by far, at this point.

This shot is more photorealistic than any ps3 game we've seen so far.

sprsk · Jun 23, 2005

dorio said:
This shot is more photorealistic than any ps3 game we've seen so far.

NO SHIT ITS MADE FROM PHOTOS

Shogmaster · Jun 23, 2005

dorio said:
This shot is more photorealistic than any ps3 game we've seen so far.

*GASP* Now you've done it! *finds shelter*

jet1911 · Jun 23, 2005

Shogmaster said:
I didn't find it, but could I take the compliment anyways?

Hey! I found it.

FiRez · Jun 23, 2005

Dr_Cogent said:
You'll get over it. :lol

I don't think so, the same applies to Olimario

kaching · Jun 23, 2005

Shogmaster said:
*GASP* Now you've done it! *finds shelter*

:lol I'd like to see you seek shelter from yourself.

dorio · Jun 23, 2005

sp0rsk said:
NO SHIT ITS MADE FROM PHOTOS

Why so bitter?

Hey! I found it.

Gold star goes to Jet!

Shogmaster · Jun 23, 2005

kaching said:
:lol I'd like to see you seek shelter from yourself.

I AM TEH INNOCENT!!!!

OG_Original Gamer · Jun 23, 2005

How taxing would a feature like cube mapping, would be on hardware like Xbox360 or PS3?

Just wondering if they can apply the feature to the windows

sprsk · Jun 23, 2005

dorio said:
Why so bitter?

Gold star goes to Jet!

didnt i ban you before

Shogmaster · Jun 23, 2005

OG_Original Gamer said:
How taxing would a feature like cube mapping, would be on hardware like Xbox360 or PS3?

Just wondering if they can apply the feature to the windows

No need for cube mapping to do shiny reflective windows, but it shouldn't be too taxing.

GhaleonEB · Jun 23, 2005

After reading this thread, I'm covinced of two things:

1) The image is in-game, not a photo of a location
2) GAF cumulative average IQ is much lower than I thought.

(You pull the average up, Shog and blimblim!)

Blimblim · Jun 23, 2005

Weee. I'm glad this is from the game then. I'm looking forward to more debates about "real or not?" in the coming months

Shogmaster · Jun 23, 2005

GhaleonEB said:
(You pull the average up, Shog and blimblim!)

Oh no! They gonna label you an XBot now! Hide!! :lol

sprsk · Jun 23, 2005

Blimblim said:
Weee. I'm glad this is from the game then. I'm looking forward to more debates about "real or not?" in the coming months

god i hope not.

dorio · Jun 23, 2005

sp0rsk said:
didnt i ban you before

Nope, why would you?

Kobold · Jun 23, 2005

GhaleonEB said:
(You pull the average up, Shog and blimblim!)

*Feels ignored

Ranger X · Jun 23, 2005

sp0rsk said:
god i hope not.

Tip: Don't answer his futur threads = you win

GhaleonEB · Jun 23, 2005

Shogmaster said:
Oh no! They gonna label you an XBot now! Hide!! :lol

It's waaaaaaay to late for that. On the other hand, no need to hide.

olimario · Jun 23, 2005

I expect photorealism next gen.
They did a nice enough job fooling me this gen.

That said, the city pic doesn't look real. It lacks depth and effects.

FiRez · Jun 23, 2005

Kobold said:
*Feels ignored

yes, me too.

dorio · Jun 23, 2005

olimario said:
I expect photorealism next gen.
They did a nice enough job fooling me this gen.

That said, the city pic doesn't look real. It lacks depth and effects.

There's plenty of depth in that photo. Check out the photomode of gt4 with the flat textures. The windows have depth in this shot. What kind effects are you looking for? Sparks flying out of the air conditioner?

mrmyth · Jun 23, 2005

Gek54 said:
Straight edges on a canopy but they went to all the effort to make the 'Eat Inn' and the other Chinese symbols perfectly curved and 3D?

Because your eye will be drawn to the signs, not the edge of the frickin' awning.

GhaleonEB · Jun 23, 2005

Okay, serious question.

My understanding of how Bizzare is doing this is that they are taking tons of photographs and video of the locations, and then essentially making texture tiles out of them and mapping the tiles onto geometry. If that's correct, when why would we NOT expect games with textures derived this way to be nearly photo-realistic? It's not as if they have texture artists creating everyting from scratch (though I'm sure there's cleanup and such.)

I'm not downplaying how amazing this looks....just wondering why it's hard to believe that high-res photographs mapped into high-res textures would look pretty real.

cyberheater · Jun 23, 2005

olimario said:
I see no reason why that couldn't be in game. It looks doable on current gen hardware after seeing recent titles.

Not at that texture resolution. Not even close.

Has to be the most amazing screen shot i've ever seen.

If that's what first gen looks like. The mind boggles what games will look like a couple of generations down the line.

Ranger X · Jun 23, 2005

:lol :lol :lol

Permit me to laugh Oli. Your pics of Forza suffer just as the city does and from the same syndromes.
And bigger screens would probably tell us that Forza's photorealism suffer even more.

cobragt3 · Jun 23, 2005

motorstorm looks more realistic

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