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[Atrus]

It's not a cheap insult. You are naive, and life will teach you that.

Life will teach me that? You're giving nothing more than a cheap insult with no basis.
Life? Unlike most I control and direct my life, it's why things are falling into place as I want it to.

Instead of falling down the economic ladder like a rock, I had to climb it from the bottom and climbing is shitty enough that I never want to experience it again. It means making sure that I have enough of a marketable skillset so that even if I'm a vegetable in a wheel chair, I can still support myself.

There is no omnipotent being that controls life that seeks to punish me to learn this lesson of why I shouldn't agress against the poor choices people take to handicap themselves. There's only probability, influenced by various factors that we are allowed to mitigate. I may die tomorrow from some undiagnosed disease but that's meaningless to someone who accepts they will cease to exist at some point. The inevitable cannot change.

I plan judiciously because economic freedom as soon as possible, is part of ones liberty and enjoyment of life. My mortgage isn't going to take me 10 to 40 years to repay and I have no debt. I work out not because it feels good but because I refuse to burden myself with obesity and the related health issues. My grandfather couldn't dodge the car that hit him because of his cane, I intend to keep myself up as good as is feasibly possible.

I can travel the world every year, and can retire early. I can continue to study into various fields because I'd like to contribute something significant for the people of like mind to get a head start on.

Life? I think I learned about life and death better than most, and prepared to exploit it as best as possible as early as possible. You mention 'Life's Lessons' in some omninous portentous way but it's really nothing more than the adage of not tempting fate. There is no such thing as fate, and as a Stoic, I take even the bad things in life in stride and snap back faster than most and that is if I break at all.

 

[pizzaguysrevenge]

Cheap fucks are some of the worst people on the planet.

 

[KHarvey16]

Life will teach me that? You're giving nothing more than a cheap insult with no basis.
Life? Unlike most I control and direct my life, it's why things are falling into place as I want it to.

Instead of falling down the economic ladder like a rock, I had to climb it from the bottom and climbing is shitty enough that I never want to experience it again. It means making sure that I have enough of a marketable skillset so that even if I'm a vegetable in a wheel chair, I can still support myself.

There is no omnipotent being that controls life that seeks to punish me to learn this lesson of why I shouldn't agress against the poor choices people take to handicap themselves. There's only probability, influenced by various factors that we are allowed to mitigate. I may die tomorrow from some undiagnosed disease but that's meaningless to someone who accepts they will cease to exist at some point. The inevitable cannot change.

I plan judiciously because economic freedom as soon as possible, is part of ones liberty and enjoyment of life. My mortgage isn't going to take me 10 to 40 years to repay and I have no debt. I work out not because it feels good but because I refuse to burden myself with obesity and the related health issues. My grandfather couldn't dodge the car that hit him because of his cane, I intend to keep myself up as good as is feasibly possible.

I can travel the world every year, and can retire early. I can continue to study into various fields because I'd like to contribute something significant for the people of like mind to get a head start on.

Life? I think I learned about life and death better than most, and prepared to exploit it as best as possible as early as possible. You mention 'Life's Lessons' in some omninous portentous way but it's really nothing more than the adage of not tempting fate. There is no such thing as fate, and as a Stoic, I take even the bad things in life in stride and snap back faster than most and that is if I break at all.

20 years. Do it, you'll be amazed. I promise.

 

[Mik2121]

20 years. Do it, you'll be amazed. I promise.

Specially the last couple sentences in the last post.

 

[Salazar]

Cheap fucks are some of the worst people on the planet.

No: unfortunately, but quite obviously, humanity sinks much lower than the act of keeping your wallet to yourself.

 

[CurseoftheGods]

When I was in Kuwait last year nobody tipped, but each bill at every restaurant I went to had a 15% "service charge" for the waiter. I think it's a pretty fair system.

 

[malek4980]

You stated there were only two options, I simply stated another.

You stated that

people who earn minimum wage are those that want to, or those that have no other choice.

Your example fits both of those two options: She chose her job, but not her wage.

Why is it then that waiters are expected to get tips? What service is so special about taking orders and waiting tables when the person really doing the significant work is the cook?

I already admitted that it's mostly arbitrary. But once one profession receives tips, expectations are created as to what the base pay for that profession will be and what the pay will be with tips, affecting who gets into the profession and what their expectations are.

I'm not envious because they pay much tax, I'm pointing out that I pay more tax that goes for the benefit of all eligible Canadians. I've already provided social assistance, which itself does not count (at least not much) the additional volunteer time or donations I put in.

Tipping as a form of social assistance to minimum wage earners is just absurd.

Yeah, I never said that. Back four pages ago, you wrote that the minimum wage was sufficient, arguing it was proportional to educational levels, age, experience, etc. So I was arguing against your general stance on minimum wage. (by the way, I'm still waiting for you to explain how the fact that women make up a disproportionate percentage of minimum wage earners has to do with the sufficiency of current minimum wage levels.)

Not being attracted to education is to me, is indicative of laziness. Unless you're a genious, are on the coattails of another genious, or come from a background with a large social saftey net that allows you to screw up, then not getting an education is a good way to end up struggling to pay off your 40 year mortgage doing a job you hate, while your stay at home wife takes care of the kids you barely have time to spend with.

Maybe it indicates laziness; it can also indicate other things: lack of parental encouragement, cultural barriers, and--yes!--even a lack of natural ability. It might also indicate immediate, pressing concerns--such as kids, health problems, current bills, debts--that might make college or university unattractive. It's easy just to dismiss everyone as lazy.

It's only beyond their control because they didn't plan. What good is it to work like that steel mill or GM plant is going to be there forever? You have no time on the side to learn more marketable skills? Even if I lost both jobs now, I still have enough marketable skills to grab a rung on the economic ladder in a wide number of positions because I have marketable skills and have planned for the worst.

What is beyond a persons control is dependant on what they allow to be beyond their control.

Come on! This sounds like "power-of-positive-thinking" pap. There are many things outside of our control: where, when, and to whom we are born; our genes; the economic conditions of our country; our health, etc.

As for the example of the GM workers, they probably weren't planning too badly at the time they were hired. I think you're expecting omniscience from them. And it's hard to obtain "marketable skills," which change during time, when you're a high-school grad in your forties with a full-time job and a family.

[snipped anecdotal story about atrus' lovely parents]

Is wealth conditional? Certainly. It's conditional to exploiting available opportunities, and in nations that thrive on capitalistic venture, the opportunities are just about everywhere.

Right, it's just that simple. . . .

Everyone can't become wealthy. The system is designed to advance the people seeking it, and those that don't at the bottom. Ever notice these people coming from other countries in droves and working harder because wherever they came from offered them little room to maneuver? That is how the world actually is without the comfort of the security blanket of economic superpower. As the world globalizes, they will compete with you and unless you compete, they will crush you.

Really, we're both making value choices here. You're describing a system you want, made of people either at the top or the bottom--winners and losers. But it seems like a self-defeating system when ultimately most people end up near the bottom. And I really don't see why those at the absolute bottom, the poorest and most vulnerable in society, need to be crushed.
(PS I will be entering a fairly closed, credentialist profession: law--which should be fairly immune from this crushing global competition you're referring to.)

 

[K.Sabot]

I tip %15 even if I get bad service, though I only give a waiter/waitress the benefit of the doubt once.

 

[Zutroy]

I hate the NA culture of tipping. Just pay them minimum wage, the same one everyone gets. It's called minimum for a reason! Tipping people for doing what they're job involves seems ridiculous to me.

Where I work, it's against company policy to accept a tip. Doing so would get you disciplined.

 

[Chao]

If you keep tipping them, their bosses will never raise their salary. You are part of the problem.
Also, I don't ever get tipped for doing my job. Hell, I don't even get paid if I work overtime.

You US people do some wacky stuff.

 

[Big-E]

Dear Lord Atrus is delusional and reminds me of commerce undergrads who think they are so much better than anyone.

 

[agrajag]

If you keep tipping them, their bosses will never raise their salary. You are part of the problem.
Also, I don't ever get tipped for doing my job. Hell, I don't even get paid if I work overtime.

You US people do some wacky stuff.

They shouldn't raise their salary, they should have a 15% service charge. People who are saying "raise salary" don't know what they're talking about. I work for hourly wages and my restaurant doesn't even want to give me close to 40 hours a week this time of year. If they had to pay every employee the same as me, you can be sure as heck they'd lay off a bunch of people, cut everyone's hours, in other words do everything possible to make up for that lost money. In the end the quality of food and service would really suffer.

 

[FrenulumBreve]

They shouldn't raise their salary, they should have a 15% service charge. People who are saying "raise salary" don't know what they're talking about. I work for hourly wages and my restaurant doesn't even want to give me close to 40 hours a week this time of year. If they had to pay every employee the same as me, you can be sure as heck they'd lay off a bunch of people, cut everyone's hours, in other words do everything possible to make up for that lost money. In the end the quality of food and service would really suffer.

And then they'd have to close, and another restaurant with a better business model would get the business it deserves.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

And then they'd have to close, and another restaurant with a better business model would get the business it deserves.

Really?

Really?

 

[Talon]

WTF? Why would I have to keep tipping $1 for a drink? That's fucking retarded. If you did an outstanding job, I MIGHT tip you, otherwise screw that.

You're an asshole, son.

 

[Ptaaty]

I think service industries should have tipping.

When you have someone really good, it really makes the experience better.

One thing that I find odd is that some people tip far more with food service than on things like haircuts, massage, etc. Those it really makes a difference how skilled they are.

 

[agrajag]

And then they'd have to close, and another restaurant with a better business model would get the business it deserves.

Yeah, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

 

[DGodlessOnessss]

I always tip, even if it is horrid service. I just won't return to the place if the service is too bad, also I only tip 10% if it so bad. Here waitstaff make around $10 without any tip. Their tip is in addition to this.

 

[agrajag]

Always tip, don't raise a big stink over minor misunderstandings. It's not a fucking Greek tragedy if the bus buy didn't refil your bread basket fast enough. Don't fucking complain about ridiculous shit. Don't give the waiter suggestions on how the chef should make the food. Don't be an asshole.

 

[Narag]

And then they'd have to close, and another restaurant with a better business model would get the business it deserves.

It wouldn't get any better as the other business' now has a larger hiring pool and less incentive to keep anyone not willing to work for the low wages because replacements are easy to come by.

 

[Kinitari]

Always tip, don't raise a big stink over minor misunderstandings. It's not a fucking Greek tragedy if the bus buy didn't refil your bread basket fast enough. Don't fucking complain about ridiculous shit. Don't give the waiter suggestions on how the chef should make the food. Don't be an asshole.

Why are you associating complaining about poor service with being an idiot/douche? You know sometimes, the waiter really does fuck up a lot/big time. Sometimes they'll ignore your table for a table with hot girls, or mess up your order even after you've corrected them for the second time, or will fuck around with other waiters in plain site while your endless shrimp dish lay empty, your glass of water dry from the wait, and 45minutes behind you. You know - that sort of thing happens. And I am sorry, I do not feel even a little obligated to tip someone for doing a fucktastic job.

 

[Talon]

One thing that I find odd is that some people tip far more with food service than on things like haircuts, massage, etc. Those it really makes a difference how skilled they are.

Men in general aren't satisfied by their haircuts. I tip more when I go to this same stylist I've gone to for a decade when I'm home.

 

[Belfast]

Nothing to do with bitterness but why should the money from my job supplement your decision to get a job that requires tips? Whats nuts is that some of these people make out like bandits from all the tips they get.

This has probably already long-since been said, but I'll repeat the advice I gave in the pizza guy tipping thread awhile back: if you don't want to tip, don't eat somewhere where you know it's expected. It's your choice! Imagine that!

We've all been consumers, but not as many people have experienced life on both sides of the fence. It can really change your perspective, and it'll show you how much of a pain in the ass serving people usually is.

Now, you want to get really bitter? Try being a cook that also has to do the server's job (in a place with no dishwashers or busboys!).

 

[Xeke]

I hate the NA culture of tipping. Just pay them minimum wage, the same one everyone gets. It's called minimum for a reason! Tipping people for doing what they're job involves seems ridiculous to me.

Where I work, it's against company policy to accept a tip. Doing so would get you disciplined.

If being a waiter meant that you just got minimum wage than I fear for the kind of people that would be waiters because it wouldn't be enough money for the people that currently do it.

If you feel a waiter deserves the same pay as a guy flipping burgers at McDonalds then I don't know what you're smoking, but I most certainly don't want any.

 

[Kinitari]

If being a waiter meant that you just got minimum wage than I fear for the kind of people that would be waiters because it wouldn't be enough money for the people that currently do it.

If you feel a waiter deserves the same pay as a guy flipping burgers at McDonalds then I don't know what you're smoking, but I most certainly don't want any.

This is where this whole thing becomes confusing. I don't know why I should worry about how much any person who serves me gets paid - and it frustrates me that I do.

I'm not saying the guy should be getting paid minimum wage, I am saying the onus of his pay should not fall on me outside of the service I am purchasing. I know people say "The service is going to cost more then" well even if that was the case, I would still be happier with that. And I would probably STILL tip if the guy did a great great job, but the feeling of obligation to tip for any reason would be gone.

 

[haircut]

Degree of service is hardly even a consideration for me; I always try to tip generously so I don't look like a dick.

I hardly ever go to bars and restaurants because it's too expensive and I also don't really have friends. If I get take-out then I'll tip then as if I'd actually eaten at the place.

 

[Xeke]

This is where this whole thing becomes confusing. I don't know why I should worry about how much any person who serves me gets paid - and it frustrates me that I do.

I'm not saying the guy should be getting paid minimum wage, I am saying the onus of his pay should not fall on me outside of the service I am purchasing. I know people say "The service is going to cost more then" well even if that was the case, I would still be happier with that. And I would probably STILL tip if the guy did a great great job, but the feeling of obligation to tip for any reason would be gone.

Empathy?

 

[Kinitari]

Empathy?

I am sorry, what is it about wait staff and bartenders in particular that requires more empathy for me? They have hard jobs? Well fuck, a lot of people do. And I empathize, but I don't give all of them money.

 

[Xeke]

I am sorry, what is it about wait staff and bartenders in particular that requires more empathy for me? They have hard jobs? Well fuck, a lot of people do. And I empathize, but I don't give all of them money.

Where has anyone said you should give them all your money?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

The crazed, pages-long defenses against just leaving $2-5 for waiters is hilarious.

 

[Big-E]

The crazed, pages-long defenses against just leaving $2-5 for waiters is hilarious.

Cheap people will defend their ways no matter the cost. Also I am still curious to hear from all the North American cheapskates in this thread as to whether or not they snub other people as well such as taxi drivers and hair dressers or if their cheapness only extends to the restaurant sector.

 

[UltimaPooh]

I always tip, but I also tip on how well their service was.

 

[Xeke]

The crazed, pages-long defenses against just leaving $2-5 for waiters is hilarious.

Really. I don't think twice about it, it's usually equal to the change that is laying around my car.

Cheap people will defend their ways no matter the cost. Also I am still curious to hear from all the North American cheapskates in this thread as to whether or not they snub other people as well such as taxi drivers and hair dressers or if their cheapness only extends to the restaurant sector.

If the pizza delivery thread was any indication then I'd imagine they don't tip for anything.

 

[oneHeero]

I've talked about not tipping pizza guys but restaurants are different so I['m curious to think what people think of my tipping.

I dont eat at expensive places at all, the nicest places my wife and I go to are like Olive Garden or Chili's so our bill is usually 20-30 bucks total. Now at every restaurant I go to I use the same tipping deal, I start at 5bucks and if I have a good waiter/waitress they get the whole 5 regardless of my bill. My bill could be 16 bucks and I'll still start them @ 5bucks same with if its 25bucks. The exception is when I'm at a place thats more expensive(like rainforest cafe or something) I tend to tip higher.

Nonetheless, at places like Chili's if the waiter cant keep my drink filled the WHOLE time than I start deducting from the 5bucks. Usually a dollar at a time. I cannot eat without a drink, thats me o well. I shouldnt have to ask for a refill, the job is fucken simple. The longer I wait for a refill the more inclined I am to not tip at all. I tend to drink 2-3 cups of w/e I drink(from the time I sit till we leave).

For the most part, I'd say 90% of the time I go out I leave a 5dollar tip regardless of my bill I dont do percentages.


Curious at what people do @ bars though. I dont like to have a open tab at all, I got screwed once and felt like the waitress took advantage of my friend and I while we were buzzing already so I never leave an open tab anymore that way I always know what I'm paying for.

But when I do drink at a bar I tip after every order 2 bucks. I usually buy 2 drinks, 1 for me and for the wife, and if I'm alone I tip 2bucks for every drink order still. Is that a lot? If I have 8beers thats 16bucks in tips. Its that to little?


EDITidnt read thread first, caught up some, I dont like tipping I admit it. I feel the same as others, why tip when its the job? I dont get tips or bonuses for helping someone get out of a foreclosure and I find that WAY more important than someone keeping my drink filled or grabbing me a beer from the freezer. I tip because my wife makes me half the time, and the rest is usually because the service I received was really that good that I felt like giving them money. But I have NO PROBLEM not leaving a tip if I FEEL I didnt get great service.

 

[Big-E]

If the pizza delivery thread was any indication then I'd imagine they don't tip for anything.

Wait, people don't tip for pizza delivery? Seriously? You are too lazy to go and pick up your fucking pizza and you don't even have the common courtesy to tip fucking 2 bucks? Dear lord that is just pathetic and sad.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

That all sounds logical to me, oneHeero.

 

[UltimaPooh]

If the pizza delivery thread was any indication then I'd imagine they don't tip for anything.

Pizza places are different. The big three always put a 2 dollar delivery charge on each delivery, so the driver is already taken care of.

That's probably because people didn't tip them well in the first place.

 

[siddx]

As someone who at one point depended on tips to pay the bills, I always tip 20% unless the service was terrible. Tipping well can also lead to benefits for yourself. I used to always give big tips to the bartender at the bar I frequented and he would give me all the drinks drunk people ordered and then forgot to take, or drinks he messed up. When he would come into my restaurant he would also always return the favor which made me look good to my bosses.

For anyone saying if we stopped tipping, bosses would raise wages, that is absurdly naive. Every boss I've had in the service industry have been some of the most greedy people i've ever met. The will cut costs and penny pinch in every single place they can find. You never realize how disgusting a restaurant is, even a nice one, until you work there and see all the neglected and run down junk that havent been replaced in decades.

 

[Ikuu]

Wait, people don't tip for pizza delivery? Seriously? You are too lazy to go and pick up your fucking pizza and you don't even have the common courtesy to tip fucking 2 bucks? Dear lord that is just pathetic and sad.

You make it sound like the pizza delivery guy is doing you some huge favour and not his job :lol

 

[Big-E]

You make it sound like the pizza delivery guy is doing you some huge favour and not his job :lol

So you are a cheapskate then. Do you take a cab and demand your 77 cents in change because thats his job too? Hope you guys like waiting an hour for pizza.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

A pizza guy gets in his own car (usually) and risks himself, be it in traffic or walking around some random neighborhood at night, and delivers you food you're too lazy or busy to get yourself. If you don't tip them at least 5 dollars, you're an asshole. There's no acceptable reason to neglect this.

"He's just doing his job" is just an excuse for you to keep being an asshole. You're not poor, give the guy a fucking 5.

 

[Xeke]

You make it sound like the pizza delivery guy is doing you some huge favour and not his job :lol

He's bringing you your pizza, because you wont just pick it up yourself. If it's a local place than it's probably free of charge. It's one of the most dangerous jobs in the country based on traffic accidents and delivering to shady places, it is also detrimental to their personal car. So yeah I think you could afford a few extra bucks, especially if free delivery is offered.

But keep up your justification for being cheap.

 

[Divvy]

Cheap people will defend their ways no matter the cost. Also I am still curious to hear from all the North American cheapskates in this thread as to whether or not they snub other people as well such as taxi drivers and hair dressers or if their cheapness only extends to the restaurant sector.

I've never had to pay for the cab, but why do cab drivers expect a tip?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

He's bringing you your pizza, because you wont just pick it up yourself. If it's a local place than it's probably free of charge. It's one of the most dangerous jobs in the country based on traffic accidents and delivering to shady places, it is also detrimental to their personal car. So yeah I think you could afford a few extra bucks, especially if free delivery is offered.

But keep up your justification for being cheap.

Yep, pizza delivery is the 5th most dangerous job in the US, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

But really guys, feel free to stiff them, you cheap fucks.

 

[Xeke]

I've never had to pay for the cab, but why do cab drivers expect a tip?

Because there are good cab drivers with knowledge of the city who will be able to get you where you're going faster than you could yourself because they are aware of when and were traffic will be bad and can get you there quickly. There are bad cab drivers who don't give a shit and it's important to reward those who put the effort in to do a good job.

 

[soundahfekz]

While I don't agree with the reasoning behind tipping (pay your fucking employees from the start), I tip at least 20% unless the waiter is rude.

I sometimes leave the biggest tip for the ones who think because I'm black, that they won't receive a decent tip (if any at all). It is though, at times, tempting to reinforce the stereotype.

 

[Petrie]

But when I do drink at a bar I tip after every order 2 bucks. I usually buy 2 drinks, 1 for me and for the wife, and if I'm alone I tip 2bucks for every drink order still. Is that a lot? If I have 8beers thats 16bucks in tips. Its that to little?

I'd say that's plenty, in fact by yourself I'd say you're overtipping, which isn't a problem. As a waiter myself on the rare occasion I go to the bar, I give the bartender a 10 or twenty right off the bat, to make sure they know to take care of me. Then it's a few bucks a round after that, and another tidy sum at the end.

This is not to say everyone should, but my drink is never close to empty, and I find myself with many free rounds throughout the night as well.

I probably pay less overall by tipping well. Works for me.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

While I don't agree with the reasoning behind tipping (pay your fucking employees from the start), I tip at least 20% unless the waiter is rude.

That's just it, no one considers tipping to be an integral part of who we are as human beings, we just accept that this is the way things are. These people are paid with the consideration that they'll be making tips, and even if some of the assholes in this thread are grossly offended by the idea of giving a few bucks to the person that puts food in front of you, not giving that few bucks to the little guy isn't sending a message or changing things, it just makes them look bad and takes money out of their pockets.

If you want to change how Domino's, or Olive Garden, or some other restaurant pays their employees, write a letter, but stop using normal working people as an excuse for you (not this poster, the others in this thread arguing against tipping) to continue to be a cheap fucking douchebag.

 

[oneHeero]

A pizza guy gets in his own car (usually) and risks himself, be it in traffic or walking around some random neighborhood at night, and delivers you food you're too lazy or busy to get yourself. If you don't tip them at least 5 dollars, you're an asshole. There's no acceptable reason to neglect this.

"He's just doing his job" is just an excuse for you to keep being an asshole. You're not poor, give the guy a fucking 5.

I dont understand this logic. Why the fuck is the delivery guy taking that job when he could do something else instead of expecting a tip for driving 5-15mins to me? Because he's at risk of crashing? Get another fucken job, you arent held down to it. It boggles my mind when I see job postings on pizza hut signs about making up to 18bucks an hour. Its obviously due to tipping, say you average 15bucks an hour from doing your job you make more than me delivery pizzas than I do in working with ppl who are in foreclosure. Fuck you, you tip me bitch. How bout I order a pizza and when he brings it to me I expect and 5dollar tip based on how many people I've helped.

A delivery guys job is specifically to deliver a pizza, if you expect tips just because of the risk you take than gtfo and find a different job. Go wait some motherfucken tables and expect tips than.

EDIT: I should state, I would tip taxi drivers if they are good but not a bad one(got a bad one in Vegas once). I live in San Antonio, TX so we never really uses taxi's here at all but I know I would tip a good taxi driver. I dont mind tipping for certain services but I dislike tipping for just anything.

The bad one I got in Vegas actually complained when we gave him 80cents as a tip LOL. We just arrived to Vegas, grabbed a cab, we put most the luggage in. We were just going from airport to excalibur. The guy swerved about 3x from not paying attention and it was raining. He took a longer way as we took the street to the hotel while other friends took the highway and got there and were waiting for us at the hotel counter while we were still arriving. We said fuck this dude and left him the 80cent change and he said "Thats it not tip?" I said "wtf did you say?" my friend proceeded to tell him learn to drive and I told him fix his shitty van taxi so we didnt have to see a leaking roof.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

I dont understand this logic. Why the fuck is the delivery guy taking that job when he could do something else instead of expecting a tip for driving 5-15mins to me? Because he's at risk of crashing? Get another fucken job, you arent held down to it. It boggles my mind when I see job postings on pizza hut signs about making up to 18bucks an hour. Its obviously due to tipping, say you average 15bucks an hour from doing your job you make more than me delivery pizzas than I do in working with ppl who are in foreclosure. Fuck you, you tip me bitch. How bout I order a pizza and when he brings it to me I expect and 5dollar tip based on how many people I've helped.

A delivery guys job is specifically to deliver a pizza, if you expect tips just because of the risk you take than gtfo and find a different job. Go wait some motherfucken tables and expect tips than.

EDIT: I should state, I would tip taxi drivers if they are good but not a bad one(got a bad one in Vegas once). I live in San Antonio, TX so we never really uses taxi's here at all but I know I would tip a good taxi driver. I dont mind tipping for certain services but I dislike tipping for just anything.

"Let them eat cake."

If you want to change how Domino's, or Olive Garden, or some other restaurant pays their employees, write a letter, but stop using normal working people as an excuse for you... to continue to be a cheap fucking douchebag.