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Question for those who tip: Do you tip despite performance/service? Like, if you get shoddy service would you still tip the person?

Just yesterday I was at a restaurant with some friends and our waiter was bad...I mean really bad. He flubbed two of our orders, didn't refill any drinks, and forgot an appetizer we ordered (we wasn't billed for it, thank God). When it came down to pay (the meals were, give or take, $35) I still felt obliged to put down $5 despite my friends telling me I shouldn't tip the guy. IDK, I guess I didn't want the guy to think I'm part of the stereotype (black ppl don't tip) or I figured I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and guess that it was his first day on the job, who know?

Nevertheless, would you tip regardless or do the service have to warrant the payment?
 
Yes. I would. You never know what might have happened to that person that day. Plus, everyone would like to get tipped, so just put yourself in that person's shoes.

Others think like this tho.
 
I wouldn't tip her. In fact, already have done so before. Really, I do not give a crap if you had a shitty day, you have a job and that job, sadly for you, is to serve me. If you don't like it, then sorry, no money for you.

And yes, I know I sounded like an asshole, but its the truth.
 
What have you done?!

Edit to actually answer the question: Yea, I'd still tip. Like you, I don't want to be part of any stereotype (young people don't know how the fuck to tip). I'd probably write something like, "Thanks for the great service...?" on the credit card receipt though if it was really bad. :lol FTR, I was a server/bartender for 5 long LONG years.
 
I also tip regradless of quality of service. 10% is reserved for people who are really bad and I tip more than that based on good service. Like the poster above said, you don't know what they have been through that day and tips are expected so a little something doesn't hurt. If one looks to tip for only good service than they must not be tipping very much because the majority of service is horrible at least in North America.
 
I don't feel as morally obligated to Tip here in Canada - we don't have that ridiculous minimum wage is 2 dollars + tips thing here. But I still do it, but if I get shitty service (I'm looking at you Red Lobster from 5 months ago, goddamn that was bad) I will not tip.
 
Big-E said:
I also tip regradless of quality of service. 10% is reserved for people who are really bad and I tip more than that based on good service. Like the poster above said, you don't know what they have been through that day and tips are expected so a little something doesn't hurt. If one looks to tip for only good service than they must not be tipping very much because the majority of service is horrible at least in North America.
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You think it's because the servers are getting paid less or do they just do a shitty job at service in general. Just asking for your POV.
 
If tips are expected then staff will feel like they don't have to do their job well to get the same tip they would if they did. Doing nothing to get something is easier than putting in a little effort and getting the same something. That means only people with some sort of work ethic are going to give you good service. I don't tip for bad/sub par service. That isn't the point of it.
 
weepy said:
You think it's because the servers are getting paid less or do they just do a shitty job at service in general. Just asking for your POV.
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Pay has something to do with it but I think it is also understaffed. Most restaurants are often to large for the staff and the chance of being forgotten increases as you got each waiter running with their heads cut off trying to deal with shit tables that want all separate bills and the like.
 
If they're extremely bad, I leave two cents just to make sure they know I'm not just being cheap.
 
Divvy said:
If they're extremely bad, I leave two cents just to make sure they know I'm not just being cheap.
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It's funny, I have a thing about giving change out as tips. For example, if I had nothing but a pocketful of change and no way of getting solids then I would rather leave nothing at all.
 
I have never once tipped. I make minimum wage while studying for uni. Fuck em.
No one in Australia tips anyhow.
 
The 10/15/20% tiers for bad/average/great service seems reasonable to me unless the server had a poor attitude and was clearly being rude, in which case they get nothing. In your case, $5 (which comes out to about 15%) is pretty generous considering he got your orders wrong.
 
Personally, i think minimum wage is there for a reason. If you have no skills/experience & want more then the norm, get something with comission or a better job.
 
this whole tipping debate thing is hilarious. I don't get it.

In Australia we don't tip. The way it should be. ;)
 
i usually tip and i'd also do it if the waiter/waitress makes a mistake as long as he/she is friendly and apologizes. i'd rather have someone like that serving me, than an impolite person. that's the only reason for not tipping as long as i am having enough money on myself.
 
If I can overhear other people at a restaurant bitching about our mutual server, I tip more. :lol

Last night, these old people were pissed because they got 2 olives in their vodka martini (which is standard, no big deal), but their bill showed "3 Olives." :lol They were totally pissed. Literally bitched for half an hour about it. Finally they brought it up to the server, and she said, "Um, 3 Olives is the brand of vodka we used for your martini." She ended up bringing them a bunch of olives and had them laughing about it, but I know she was in the kitchen bitching about her idiot table.

They were also pissed because the tip was included. There were 8-10 of them. C'mon. Restaurants have been doing this for years now.
 
lennedsay said:
If I can overhear other people at a restaurant bitching about our mutual server, I tip more. :lol

Last night, these old people were pissed because they got 2 olives in their vodka martini (which is standard, no big deal), but their bill showed "3 Olives." :lol They were totally pissed. Literally bitched for half an hour about it. Finally they brought it up to the server, and she said, "Um, 3 Olives is the brand of vodka we used for your martini." She ended up bringing them a bunch of olives and had them laughing about it, but I know she was in the kitchen bitching about her idiot table.

They were also pissed because the tip was included. There were 8-10 of them. C'mon. Restaurants have been doing this for years now.
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old people are cheap. whats new?
 
Adol said:
When service is bad, I think its cool to tip one penny. If you don't tip at all, the waiter might think you just aren't a tipper.
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I won't tip if the service is horrible but I like this idea so I'll try it next time it comes up
 
Also in Canada and don't have the shitty requirement to tip because their wages are decreased to make up for tips. However, I do tip on the basis of exceptional service.

You don't need extra to do your job, and customer service is specifically a part of the job requirement.
 
sooo glad i dont wait tables anymore, i fucking hated a good majority of the customers. Everything is a federal issue with some people and all those assholes who left me a 1 dollar tip on a 50+ dollar bill or completely stiffed me on a $100 bill will die beneath my boot.
 
Absolutely terrible service: no tip

Bad service: 10-15%

Average/good service: 20%

Outstanding service: 25%


Can't go wrong with that model imo
 
Spider from Mars said:
sooo glad i dont wait tables anymore, i fucking hated a good majority of the customers. Everything is a federal issue with some people and all those assholes who left me a 1 dollar tip on a 50+ dollar bill or completely stiffed me on a $100 bill will die beneath my boot.
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Cheap people are scum. Some of the worst people to be around.
 
I always tip regardless of the service. I find most of the time, terrible service is a combination of things, not just the server & that's their livelihood.

Bad service gets between 10-15% and always a conversation with the manager.

Ok service gets 15%-20

Great service gets 20%+ and, if I'm able, leave a note for the manager that they have a keeper. This hardly ever happens though.

The only exception to the rule is at pricey restaurants where I expect great service all the time.
 
Curious George said:
Absolutely terrible service: no tip

Bad service: 10-15%

Average/good service: 20%

Outstanding service: 25%


Can't go wrong with that model imo
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"You suck as a waiter, here have some money!"

Real nice.
 
putting more thought into this, i think waiters are so fucking overpayed its ridiculous.

having to put up with annoying people does not warrant 20% of the bill, and besides that, all youre doing is holding a plate and bringing it to the people.

there are jobs where people get payed much less and put in much much more.
 
Zeliard said:
You sound like an awesome guy to be around.

Waiters and waitresses barely make three dollars an hour in the U.S. Tip them, you ingrates.
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?

The servers I know at Applebees made minimum wage. The Host also got a cut of the tips though, so it wasn't a normal set-up.

Finance said:
putting more thought into this, i think waiters are so fucking overpayed its ridiculous.

having to put up with annoying people does not warrant 20% of the bill, and besides that, all youre doing is holding a plate and bringing it to the people.

there are jobs where people get payed much less and put in much much more.
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They're doing it for many people at a time, not just you. It's a very hectic job.
 
Fuck up the order and/or forget things - Tip regardless.

Act like a dick - No tip.



I don't care about the order, it can be resolved and to be honest, I eat every night of my life so I'll get over it.


Have a bad attitude or be rude for no reason, yeah, we all have bad days, but you can eat a dick if your gonna intentionally ruin the mood.
 
For bad service that didn't completely offend or ruin your night, leave a decent tip. 5-10%. But make sure you stop the waiter and politely let them know you were disappointed. Don't make him/her feel bad so that they'll be depressed and irritable the rest of the night, but make it known they could have done better. That sort of positive criticism can really effect a waiter, and if you're a regular, they'll remember you next time and try their best, knowing that you do tip and are a nice person, and that they would get more than last time if they do well.

Whatever you do, don't leave a passive-aggressive note on the bill or whatever. People that do that are pussies.

If the service is just absolutely awful, talk to the manager in the middle of your meal. Don't wait until you're about to leave. Speak to them while they still have the chance to make your night right. Then you'll likely get another waiter or some pretty awesome service directly from the manager, and you can tip that person well.

Finance said:
putting more thought into this, i think waiters are so fucking overpayed its ridiculous.

having to put up with annoying people does not warrant 20% of the bill, and besides that, all youre doing is holding a plate and bringing it to the people.

there are jobs where people get payed much less and put in much much more.
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The $50-100 I made on good, busy weekend nights say they are not overpaid. See, it's not about the fact that waiters get paid well. You forget that on most weekdays and on random weekends, you have no idea if you'll even get enough business to make minimum wage. Waiters do not have a consistent paycheck. They have no idea what they're bringing home and they can't plan for their purchases and future like everyone else can.

The job description isn't "bring food to a table." It's "bring food to many fucking tables all at once." The balancing act in timing the service to 5+ tables at once is absolutely a skill that deserves respectable compensation.

Also, add to all of that: waiters don't have a weekend night life. Being a waiter means giving up 4-6 nights a week in most restaurants. While you're enjoying your night out, that person is working and missing out on a social life.
 
I tip 20% flat out of Asian guilt. Exceptionally good service, I give even more.

I've never worked service industry, but I have good friends that did through school so that's also part of it.
 
I tip all the time. But I swear to god the last time I went out to eat the chef messed up all our food. I've been sick ever since.
 
Finance said:
putting more thought into this, i think waiters are so fucking overpayed its ridiculous.

having to put up with annoying people does not warrant 20% of the bill, and besides that, all youre doing is holding a plate and bringing it to the people.

there are jobs where people get payed much less and put in much much more.
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Wrong. You should try it sometime. When you get double or triple sat (getting more than one table at the same time) and having to greet all 3 tables within 1 minute and get their drink and appetizer orders while keeping up with your side work and keeping an eye on the kitchen to make sure your orders are not up. Dealing with people who sit in your section for 3 hours only drinking coffee and grabbing them refils the entire time for a 2 dollar tip at the end. Dealing with managers about your upsell rate and wearing a shit eating grin and trying to remember that even when customers are wrong, they are right and if they complain loud enough they will get their way. It sucks ass and its not worth the $2.65 plus tips, which you must split with hosts and bussers also. Fucking BLAH
 
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