SantaC
Member
AMD's AM5 platform will support DDR5 and PCIe 5 at launch in 2022
You'll also be able to bring across your CPU cooler.
Zen 4 confirmed to have PCIE 5.0 - release in 2022 meanwhile Zen 3 with 196MB cache on track early 2022
Haint
Member
So as expected late 2022 is most likely, while Alder Lake comes out in a matter of weeks with PCIe 5 and DDR5. If the 12XXX's are actually good they'll be ceding an entire calendar to Intel. Given a 14nm 10900K already runs head to head with Zen 3, odds are very good the first in a decade node shrink should all but guarantee Intel an uncontested crown. At every price point, and forcing substantial price drops from AMD.
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CuteFaceJay
Member
That's IF production can keep up.
SantaC
Member
You are forgetting the heat issue. Intel is still behind when it comes to power consumption.
LordOfChaos
Member
Jibbers crabst that's a lot of cache
Windows 95 required 128MB of disk space to install. You could run all of Windows 95's disk contents purely in incredibly fast cache on this thing lol.
Windows 95 required 128MB of disk space to install. You could run all of Windows 95's disk contents purely in incredibly fast cache on this thing lol.
Haint
Member
Nobody buying/building gaming rigs or personal workstations gives a fuck about wattage or heat provided they're engineered to sustain it and deliver the performance.
Bryank75
Banned
I'm sure there will be legislation limiting rig power draw in the near future.
Haint
Member
Sounds like another endorsement to run out and buy a 12XXX before they ban them.
Bryank75
Banned
Probably a good idea to watch as laws are passed and get things before there is a rush....
StateofMajora
Banned
I want the best zen 3 with 3d cache they make, and i will use that and my x570 mobo and 32gb ram for as long as that cpu isn't a bottleneck. Which should be a long time.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Wait until they rewrite their oopsie.
That Weird California Computer Ban Isn't What It Appears to Be. It's Dumber.
An attempt to reduce idle electricity consumption actually incentivizes selling more powerful equipment.
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martino
Member
yep this is why i was waiting
Chiggs
Gold Member
Yep, this is the route I will go, too.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Heat issue?
Why will we(everyone) need new motherboards or new rigs soon?
Will the 10850Ks and 5800Xs stop working when PCIE5 and DDR5 are released for Zen4 and Alderlake?
Pagusas
Elden Member
Staying at PCI-E 3.0 didnt really hurt Intel. Just saying, I think PCI bandwidth is so far from saturated right now that moving from 3 - 5 wont be noticeable to most (at least until direct storage arrives)
Garani
Member
At this point I may jump on a new rig end of 2023: MB, CPU and GPU.
Kenpachii
Member
Because 3.0 is the standard not 4.0 thats why.
5.0 is the real shift forwards from 3.0.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
PCIE4 was always a stop gap....it came late and PCIE5 was already err.....ready.
Intel never needed to jump on the standard-non-standard knowing the industry was basically going to skip over it.
AMD just used PCIE4 basically as a flex...Intel literally werent fussed.
Going from ~3.5GB/s to ~14GB/s is definitely going to be noticeable.
lils
Member
makes sense. going with 4.0 first and then 5.0 next chipset would make upgrading more difficult, since you'd be stuck at 4 unless you got a new motherboard. just easier this way
for most people, yeah it probably doesn't matter. but it's nice for power users - for example, you can give 8 slots to your gpu (equal to 32 3.0 slots, which is more than plenty), and assuming they stick with 20 user-accessible lanes like before, that gives you plenty for a couple of direct-to-cpu SSDs, a network card maybe, couple of USB or other expansion cards, bluetooth maybe. if they give that many lanes, you basically wont have to worry about it at all, which is nice
with R9 / i9, more power is being offered on the mainstream platform than before, but with mainstream-level I/O. this is the logical next step, though it will probably eat into their threadripper sales. still probably not that much though, since you gotta go threadripper for quad channel memory
i just hope they go with 24 cores on the mainstream, ther was a rumour the other day that said only 16. that would be uncharacteristic of amd and highly disappointing
for most people, yeah it probably doesn't matter. but it's nice for power users - for example, you can give 8 slots to your gpu (equal to 32 3.0 slots, which is more than plenty), and assuming they stick with 20 user-accessible lanes like before, that gives you plenty for a couple of direct-to-cpu SSDs, a network card maybe, couple of USB or other expansion cards, bluetooth maybe. if they give that many lanes, you basically wont have to worry about it at all, which is nice
with R9 / i9, more power is being offered on the mainstream platform than before, but with mainstream-level I/O. this is the logical next step, though it will probably eat into their threadripper sales. still probably not that much though, since you gotta go threadripper for quad channel memory
i just hope they go with 24 cores on the mainstream, ther was a rumour the other day that said only 16. that would be uncharacteristic of amd and highly disappointing
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Good to see that AMD in 2022 will be catching up to features Intel had in 2021 
Also good to see AMD adding a lot of cache to their CPUs, hopefully they will bring that to the 400 series like they did Zen3. I might buy one if so.
Also good to see AMD adding a lot of cache to their CPUs, hopefully they will bring that to the 400 series like they did Zen3. I might buy one if so.
Console mentality detected.
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Kataploom
Gold Member
I'm on a quad-core Ryzen 2200g and still don't know if trying to upgrade now, I don't care about being next-gen ready right now and basically skipped upgrading due to other expenses and due to CPU prices being so high but want something more than a quad-core honestly... still don't know if I should upgrade before DDR5 CPUs come or just wait around a year more
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Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
After Alder Lake and Zen3D launch Ryzen 5000 CPUs should come down in price. If you're on a 400-series board I'd just wait for that to happen and buy a 5000 series CPU when the prices make sense for you.
A DDR5 system is going to be expensive because you're going to have to get new RAM, new CPU and MOBO. With Ryzen 5000 you'd just need to upgrade the CPU (after updating your BIOS, if you have a 400 series board).
Kataploom
Gold Member
That's the thing, I'm on a A320 mobo so if i'm gonna do the upgrade I'll have to get a mobo too anyway
rofif
Banned
exactly... pcie 4.0 is still not utilized aside from ssd benchmarks
ResilientBanana
Member
I mean, this should happen when new chipsets arrive.
prinz_valium
Member
GPUs will be the real issue.
But i might finally upgrade in 2023 from my Ryzen 1600 + GeForce 1070 system.
2016/2017 to 2023 is again quite a long time.
And I'm again upgrading 3 years after a new console gen. That seems to be sweet spot.
But i might finally upgrade in 2023 from my Ryzen 1600 + GeForce 1070 system.
2016/2017 to 2023 is again quite a long time.
And I'm again upgrading 3 years after a new console gen. That seems to be sweet spot.
//DEVIL//
Member
I was going to buy the new intel with DDR5 . but knowing PCIE 5 is coming with AMD next year then ill wait. the 5800x I have is more than perfect anyway till end of next year. Glad I got to know this before i pull the plug on the new Intel { unless the new Intel MB aslo pcie 5? can someone confirm ?)
ram prices for the DDR5 should be cheaper next year as well as I am expecting them very expensive this year.
ram prices for the DDR5 should be cheaper next year as well as I am expecting them very expensive this year.
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Yes, Alder Lake supports Gen5 and will do so in 3 weeks time...
//DEVIL//
Member
oh. so back on track for Intel this year this.. fuck I was hoping I can wait for something better lol
Do you really need more than a 5800x?
Exentryk
Member
Planning on going AMD next CPU upgrade, so this is good news. Intel needs to start managing their power usage and heat.
The pcie5 spec I heard also runs a lot hotter, which would make the ssds run hotter too? So I guess the AM5 motherboards that support pcie5 ssds will need better heat sinks? Another issue is the higher latencies with the initial batch of DDR5 memory, and their higher cost. Are these really better than high end DDR4 memories?
Hoping all these issues will be sorted by the time AM5 launches, since Intel will be out earlier in the year and should give time to iron out these issues.
The pcie5 spec I heard also runs a lot hotter, which would make the ssds run hotter too? So I guess the AM5 motherboards that support pcie5 ssds will need better heat sinks? Another issue is the higher latencies with the initial batch of DDR5 memory, and their higher cost. Are these really better than high end DDR4 memories?
Hoping all these issues will be sorted by the time AM5 launches, since Intel will be out earlier in the year and should give time to iron out these issues.
Trogdor1123
Member
Will a cache like that drive up costs lots? I assume it will?
Kenpachii
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Kenpachii
Member
They will drive up costs anyway no matter if there is more costs or not.
StateofMajora
Banned
I am willing to bet that a 16 core zen 3d will be as good or better than sandy bridge i7 in terms of longevity. And we all know how good an investment the 2600k was.
Plus I like that it will be highest end part for the socket ; it'll hold its value better than most.
//DEVIL//
Member
No i dont even need the 5800x. its just I want PCIE 5 and DDr5 just for future proofing.
Chiggs
Gold Member
Might as well. Intel is talking a big game, so why not see if they can bring the heat (which they will with their power draw alone).
If you need something right now, 5900 and 5950 say hi!
As they are only a few weeks away it is probably worth seeing how quick they are and pricing.
Then there's no real benefit to upgrading now, and every benefit to waiting.
