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Zenless Zone Zero ༺*|OT|*༻ Gotta Waifu 'Em All ♡(੭´͈ ᐜ `͈)੭♡
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Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
I've a very bad feeling about Jane's banner...
Am I the luckiest man alive or not? I mean, HOLY FUCK! x3 different S rank agents in just 70 searches and I've 20 tapes left!
This leaves only Soldier 11, Lycaon and Rina for me to get - I'll get Rina 100% after agent select will be unlocked so I don't even worry about it
Already almost maxed out Jane since I had most of the materials (I guess I'm not that good at math so of course I counted everything wrong when it comes to skill requirements), I only need one more disc to get + 30% Attack bonus and that'll be all:
And now I've 20 days to lvl up and max out my electric team and get the S rank fire Bangboo to complete my electric and fire teams. I'll need A SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIT ton of dennies though for both Seth and Grase, not to mention materials, but thankfully I only need components for Seth's W-Engine (not the signature one) since I already have one for Grace which is lvl 50, but still... it's like 4-5mil Dennies at least for everything. I don't know what to do with Nekomata though since I already have Jane and she's way better... but we'll see, maybe she'll be usefull one day.
This leaves only Soldier 11, Lycaon and Rina for me to get - I'll get Rina 100% after agent select will be unlocked so I don't even worry about it
Already almost maxed out Jane since I had most of the materials (I guess I'm not that good at math so of course I counted everything wrong when it comes to skill requirements
), I only need one more disc to get + 30% Attack bonus and that'll be all:
And now I've 20 days to lvl up and max out my electric team and get the S rank fire Bangboo to complete my electric and fire teams. I'll need A SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIT ton of dennies though for both Seth and Grase, not to mention materials, but thankfully I only need components for Seth's W-Engine (not the signature one) since I already have one for Grace which is lvl 50, but still... it's like 4-5mil Dennies at least for everything. I don't know what to do with Nekomata though since I already have Jane and she's way better... but we'll see, maybe she'll be usefull one day.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Supremely bad luck on this banner, I avoided the qingyi banner because I didn't want more copies of billy/corin.
First guaranteed A rank, corin... Then I get her 3 more times, then billy lmao..
Then Anby 9 times and then I lose the 50/50 to rina, second round I finally wind up with some copies of seth...
First guaranteed A rank, corin... Then I get her 3 more times, then billy lmao..
Then Anby 9 times and then I lose the 50/50 to rina, second round I finally wind up with some copies of seth...
Doom85
Member
Am I the luckiest man alive or not? I mean, HOLY FUCK! x3 different S rank agents in just 70 searches and I've 20 tapes left!
This leaves only Soldier 11, Lycaon and Rina for me to get - I'll get Rina 100% after agent select will be unlocked so I don't even worry about it
Already almost maxed out Jane since I had most of the materials (I guess I'm not that good at math so of course I counted everything wrong when it comes to skill requirements
And now I've 20 days to lvl up and max out my electric team and get the S rank fire Bangboo to complete my electric and fire teams. I'll need A SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIT ton of dennies though for both Seth and Grase, not to mention materials, but thankfully I only need components for Seth's W-Engine (not the signature one) since I already have one for Grace which is lvl 50, but still... it's like 4-5mil Dennies at least for everything. I don't know what to do with Nekomata though since I already have Jane and she's way better... but we'll see, maybe she'll be usefull one day.
Very nice. I’ve not made enough pulls in Zenless to really notice a lack of double 5 stars for me, but despite playing Honkai Star Rail since the PS5 version launched (so about a year now for me), I’ve only gotten two doubles: doubles of Silver Wolf’s Light Cone (which was kind of unnecessary, but I’ll take it. I wish Silver Wolf wasn’t only useful for earlier players who have less variety of built characters, as in-story she’s in top 5 characters for me for sure) and IIRC it was getting either E1 or E2 for Firefly (I wanted my Firefly to be a BEAST as E2 Firefly is just unfair) or E1 for HuoHuo where I got a double and the second 5 star was the standard 5 star Welt (which hey, E1 Welt is probably good, I’m just holding off building him until the extra game modes focus on DoT, Damage over Time status effect, again down the road as that’s Welt’s specialty).
I wish I could remember if I ever got doubles in Arknights back when I played it for a few years. I’m sure I must have at some point, I just can’t remember.
Jibran#one
Member
So this is what getting fucked in a gacha game feels like out of 120 pulls got Rina , 4 copies of anby 1 Seth and no Jane
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Holy shit, dude
To say it's fuckin' brutal and devastating is to say nothing, especally if you don't need or like Rina
Here's the thing, if you don't care about the endgame stuff, rewards there and characters themselves, you don't need any S rank character in the game at all, not to mention their signature W-Engines. I mean, you'll have plenty of tapes and polys by the time you finish the 3 chapter long rologue so you might as well spend them in the exclusive channel.
Very nice. I’ve not made enough pulls in Zenless to really notice a lack of double 5 stars for me, but despite playing Honkai Star Rail since the PS5 version launched (so about a year now for me), I’ve only gotten two doubles: doubles of Silver Wolf’s Light Cone (which was kind of unnecessary, but I’ll take it. I wish Silver Wolf wasn’t only useful for earlier players who have less variety of built characters, as in-story she’s in top 5 characters for me for sure) and IIRC it was getting either E1 or E2 for Firefly (I wanted my Firefly to be a BEAST as E2 Firefly is just unfair) or E1 for HuoHuo where I got a double and the second 5 star was the standard 5 star Welt (which hey, E1 Welt is probably good, I’m just holding off building him until the extra game modes focus on DoT, Damage over Time status effect, again down the road as that’s Welt’s specialty).
I wish I could remember if I ever got doubles in Arknights back when I played it for a few years. I’m sure I must have at some point, I just can’t remember.
Why are other folks getting Rina but me?
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Doom85
Member
Oh, I agree. I’ve not yet gotten invested in Zenless to the point I’d E1 any of them (sorry, as in pulling for a limited character again after already getting them in Star Rail is getting their Eidolons, I forget what the “Eidolons” in Zenless are called), so no worries there. Also, I can skip plenty of banners, I got Ellen and Zhu Yuan, but skipped everything since and am waiting for that biker lady.
With Honkai Star Rail, I’m super invested in the cast and story by this point. Again, I skip banners of characters I’m meh on (since 2.0, the only Penacony characters I skipped were Aventurine, found the overfocus on him in 2.1 off putting, and Robin, she was just okay, and I’ve skipped the 2.4 characters as I’m just kind of eh on being back on the Luofu), but for characters I enjoy, I get them and their Light Cone as I want to really enjoy playing the characters I love. Boothill was being shit on by fans due to Firefly immediately following his banner and her clearly being better, but while as I said I invested heavily in Firefly but I also got Boothill and his LC as he was such a fun character in 2.2. It’s not even about meta (otherwise I’d have gotten Aventurine, Kafka, etc. by now), I just want the characters I got attached to in the story to feel badass in combat. When I see my E2 Firefly wreck enemies with Break so they can’t even get a hit in often, or my E2 Topaz and Numby just hitting enemies constantly, it’s so satisfying.
So yes, I’ve spent plenty in Star Rail (nothing remotely dangerous, mind you. Can’t play Star Rail without electricity in my home and food in my belly). Some may say spending on gacha is dumb, but who decides what is worth spending on for each individual? I’d save tons of money just subscribing to the official digital apps for manga and comic books as opposed to the hundreds and hundreds of manga volumes and hundreds and hundreds of comic trades/omnibuses I own, but I far prefer reading a proper book in my hand than reading from a tablet, so that extra money is well spent as far as I’m concerned.
To be clear, I’m not saying you in particular would be judgmental about spending on gacha, I just find others can be so quick to get all high-road-y about how others spend their money. Like, yeah, I bought the $50 K-pop costume set for Overwatch, sure I agree for many it’s not worth it, but as I play OW usually at least 45 minutes per day, and Sombra, Kiriko, Brigitte, and D.Va, who have those costumes, are all among my mains, I’d be lying if I said I personally didn’t get my money’s worth.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
I like rina, a lot actually, but I already had her, don't really care too much about getting jane or tbh, though I will get her before the banner leaves.Holy shit, dude
To say it's fuckin' brutal and devastating is to say nothing, especally if you don't need or like Rina
I primarily wanted to get seth to C6, but the game just kept throwing other A ranks and w engines at me instead
Jibran#one
Member
So who does Rina goes withHoly shit, dude
To say it's fuckin' brutal and devastating is to say nothing, especally if you don't need or like Rina
Here's the thing, if you don't care about the endgame stuff, rewards there and characters themselves, you don't need any S rank character in the game at all, not to mention their signature W-Engines. I mean, you'll have plenty of tapes and polys by the time you finish the 3 chapter long rologue so you might as well spend them in the exclusive channel.
Why are other folks getting Rina but me?
I've got anby c5 now Seth , Anton c1 , Rina piper corin
Since I started playing a few weeks ago I'm lvl 37 with soldier 11 Ben and kolida as my only team
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
The rat debut is strong in Japan.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Doom85
Before Jane was released, I was subbing to Battle Pass for 2 months but now decided that I'm not going to be doing that anymore and instead will only be renewing 30 day subscription to get extra 2700 polys each month (if we'll count dailies it'll be 30-35 extra tapes each month). I don't care about getting dupes of S rank characters at all and much rather get a new character, plus, since they're using the same tapes for W-Engines I'll never touch this BS channel unless I'll have plenty of spare tapes and I won't like the new S rank character.I see plenty of tier lists saying that she's not that good but I just don't get why the fuck. I mean sure, she can't attack by herself and using her bangboos instead to do it, but she's super fast in combat, moves very quickly outside of it and she's an amazing character period. As for the team for her, I'd pair her with Qingyi and Grace if you have them and she's the only Support character for the Electric team in the game.
I've C6 Soukaku, Anby, Corin, Ben, Billy, Nicole and almost C6 Lucy, C1 Koleda, C1 Seth, C2, Piper and C3 Anton.
Oh, so it was a dupe of Rina, damn.
I was sure I'll get C6 Seth as well cuz of how much fuckin' Bens and Corins I got last time
, but nope, got only one dupe of Seth in 70 searchesI mean, I can probaly get at least one dupe of Seth since I have 20 more tapes, but idk if I should... at least not right now.
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Aenima
Member
After 70 pulls...
Not too bad, still have 17k Polys left that i can start saving for Caeser or Burnice.
The problem now is building a Jane team, Seth is great with Jane so 2 more characters to level up and barelly have any materials. Gonna take months worth of farming to putting all the characters in my teams at Lv60 with max skills.
Not too bad, still have 17k Polys left that i can start saving for Caeser or Burnice.
The problem now is building a Jane team, Seth is great with Jane so 2 more characters to level up and barelly have any materials. Gonna take months worth of farming to putting all the characters in my teams at Lv60 with max skills.
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
Got seth to beast mode at least, got a lucky fifth copy with tapes, only one more copy left
Will probably also go for his W-engine, since the only general one that works well on him is bunny band, but he scales off atk and not def so you really want the battle pass spring embrace or his personal one.
Will probably also go for his W-engine, since the only general one that works well on him is bunny band, but he scales off atk and not def so you really want the battle pass spring embrace or his personal one.
ap_puff
Banned
One of the things I didn't like about Seth was his scaling and lack of f2p weapons, also didn't like that he doesn't get iframes on some thingsGot seth to beast mode at least, got a lucky fifth copy with tapes, only one more copy left
Will probably also go for his W-engine, since the only general one that works well on him is bunny band, but he scales off atk and not def so you really want the battle pass spring embrace or his personal one.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
what scaling exactly? scaling off attack instead of def? It's actually a good thing because you can get his attack much higher than his def, and also he has dehtroned soukaku for highest ultimate damage multiplier, so his ult hits insanely hard.
He does indeed not get iframes, but it's not a problem with what I've tested so far, he gets a shield constantly and he doesn't get interrupted with either of his charge attacks; seth is the definition of "unga bunga smash"
pinoyflixz
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The Chairman
Member
Did some upgrading to Jane to reach her full potential, a little bit thicker and without a shirt and tie
Jibran#one
Member
People getting 5 copies of Seth here and I got 1 Seth in 120 pulls
I see now what these gacha games are about
I'm looking at the battlepass thinking of spending money but I'm not going in that trap
I only started like 3 weeks ago with soldier 11 kolida and Ben and was hoping I would get a Jane and Seth for a team with anby but I didn't got Jane so now I don't have a good dps to go with anby and Seth
Good thing about these 120 pulls is my anby is c5 and I'm thinking to bring a few more signals and gamble for a c6
I see now what these gacha games are about
I'm looking at the battlepass thinking of spending money but I'm not going in that trap
I only started like 3 weeks ago with soldier 11 kolida and Ben and was hoping I would get a Jane and Seth for a team with anby but I didn't got Jane so now I don't have a good dps to go with anby and Seth
Good thing about these 120 pulls is my anby is c5 and I'm thinking to bring a few more signals and gamble for a c6
Reizo Ryuu
Member
If you only started 3 week ago, you probably have enough content left to get enough pulls to get jane guaranteed.
The Chairman
Member
I got Seth 6 times and one Jane with my 90 pulls, it's a waste since i will never use him so i think the game knows if you like Seth he will be rare but if you don't care about him like me then you will get showered with copies of him, these gacha games are evil
Jibran#one
Member
Used 120 pulls
No Jane so I don't think it's worth it now I think in somewhere in mid chapter 3 at lvl 37 don't think I have the will to go for another Jane
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Your next s rank is guaranteed to be the banner unit though, so guaranteed to be jane if you can manage it.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Lucy is great, I love her and her cute minnions a lot. There's no agent story for her and Piper yet, but I think we'll get them in 20 days along with Caesar and Burnice agent stories
Aha-a-a-a-aaa! So here's where my 5 dupes of Seth wentI got Seth 6 times and one Jane with my 90 pulls, it's a waste since i will never use him so i think the game knows if you like Seth he will be rare but if you don't care about him like me then you will get showered with copies of him, these gacha games are evil
Don't do it, at best go for 30 day sub to get at least 30-35 guaranteed tapes if you can spare some free money.
Yeah, more than enough for 3 new S rank characters at least, especially if he won't be wasting anything on the standard channel and god forbid W-engine one.
Aside from 5 more lvls and a few more skill upgrades, I'm pretty much finished with Jane in terms of discsDid some upgrading to Jane to reach her full potential, a little bit thicker and without a shirt and tie
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ap_puff
Banned
As a f2p you need to be very considered with your pulls. I highly advise using the trial modes to test characters out before investing in them. I have played a few gachas before and ZZZ feels like one of the games that really incentivizes you to spend if you're not careful with how many resources you get. Just keep in mind that these games always front load you with a bunch of pulling resources in the beginning to get you into the habit of pulling, so when you run out you are tempted to swipe.
So you should make a conscious decision about what your goals are in the game. If it's just to experience the story, don't worry about pulling on characters due to power or synergy. Because they always balance story mode content to be completable with free characters. And make sure you go in with a pull budget per banner and know when to cut yourself off.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Got that hot Gyattatouille in my 50/50 pull (thank you RNJesus).
I have around 50 tapes left and however many I'll save up for whenever Burnice banner comes around.
I have around 50 tapes left and however many I'll save up for whenever Burnice banner comes around.
Jibran#one
Member
I mean I have 1 full fire team I'm happy with and would probably build 1 more team for those shri ryu defence shit I can sense where the grind is now.
ap_puff
Banned
Just make sure you like the playstyle. I main Nekomata and she's widely considered one of the worst DPS in the game compared to other options (surprisingly the corin and billy you get for free are decent). I still get rank S on critical 7 shiyu. The thing is, its really f-ing expensive to max out your characters in this game so you should be sure you like playing them long term before you commit.
Aenima
Member
Unlucky but like R Reizo Ryuu told, your next S-Rank character will be Jane Doe 100% garanteed. So if you want to build a second team with Jane you still have time to clear game content and get Polys to pull for her.
In case you are more interested in Caeser or Burnice you can just save and you are just around 40-50 pulls away from getting one of them 100% garanteed as well since the pitty tranfers to the next banner.
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Jibran#one
Member
Aah I see I actually want to have a main dps for ice or electric team since everyone wwe saying Jane is good with Seth and anby I thought I would just pull Jane anby and Seth and make a 2nd team of them
I'll see if I can get 50 60 more pulls in the next 3 weeks and see if I can pull a Jane
ap_puff
Banned
next new ice dps is probably miyabi which i think people are predicting in 1.4, should be like 3-4 months away. electric dps would be maybe harumasa or yanagi, both are electric and in the same faction as miyabi. also at some point ellen will get a rerun. you'll have time to save up to get at least one of them
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Seth is so much fun to play and super strong
Enemies can't even hurt of stop this man while he melts their health.
Enemies can't even hurt of stop this man while he melts their health.
ap_puff
Banned
Those some juicy numbers
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Now compare him with Ben. Uh, like, what were they thinking? There's just no place for super slow and clunky characters in an action packed super fast game in terms of combat.
Pejo
Member
I've been on vacation and only doing dailies for the past week or so, but I got home and was able to try out Jane in the trial stage. I know they always make trials super beneficial to the character they're showcasing, but she seems like a huge powercreep of both Piper and Neko, essentially taking the best parts of both of their kits and putting it into a single character. The game's barely a few months old and we're already invalidating characters. Seems like they could be fleshing out the role/element list a bit instead of just trampling launch characters, this early into the game's life.
Anyways, she's really fun to play, so I'm going to try to snag a copy. Seth was a surprise too, he's a lot of fun, but I still don't care for the Defender role in this game. As far as I can tell, it's just a slight hit to attack numbers while having super armor, that's what makes up a "Defender" so far.
Anyways, she's really fun to play, so I'm going to try to snag a copy. Seth was a surprise too, he's a lot of fun, but I still don't care for the Defender role in this game. As far as I can tell, it's just a slight hit to attack numbers while having super armor, that's what makes up a "Defender" so far.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Seth is extremely useful in one of the BS Shiyu Defence challenges (for example) where bosses have insane HP bars and inflated damage. You can cast shields on all agents and protect them from insane damage to get an S rank.
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Neon Xenon
Member
Maybe I'm missing something, because I tried out Jane Doe from the gameplay demo and found her to be just...fine. Not enough to want to roll her, less so after I already got Qingyi, and even less so when thinking about dealing with the actual process of rolling and getting enough to do so. I'm not convinced that she's someone that I actually have to get, so this might be the first banner I actually skip unless my mind is changed. There's just under three weeks until the banner ends, so, who knows.
ap_puff
Banned
According to the numbers people she is noticeably worse than Ellen and Zhu Yuan unless you're fighting phys-weakness enemies due to the nature of how her kit works (her damage sucks until she procs assault, and her buildup breakpoints don't let her hit 3 assaults regularly in a stun window unless they're phys weak). So yeah, ymmv.
Also, for people who are new to hoyo games: strong support characters tend to get power crept less than straight up DPS roles.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
You can't tell how good Jane is by just playing a training demo. If you build her right, she has insane physical damage and anomaly damage and can wipe out entire squads of enemies after assault triggers and ista killing enemies which 30-40% HP bars. Qingyi is an electric stunner (like Anby) and much different than Jane. Jane is good against enemies with Physical weakness and especially bosses to wipe their HP bars way faster and she has one of the best dodge moves in the game.
I mean, if you don't have Nekomata and Piper and if you don't like kids as characters, Jane is the best physical DPS in the game, otherwise I guess you can do just fine if you have Nekomata and Piper. None of the S rank characters are even needed to play and finish the story content, they're there if you like to have them, want to complete their agent stories, trust events etc. and want to deal with the endgame content and get the rewards. Thanks to Jane and Seth I already complete all Hard challenges in the Story and Combat nodes for each chapter and got an S rank.
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Neon Xenon
Member
Hmm. Forgot to mention that I have Zhu Yuan to run with Qingyi, so I feel like Jane might be less of a priority.
I'll take your word for it. But where I'm at, I think I'm okay with who I've got (see above). Jane would just be an extra.
Spyxos
Member
Am I the only one who finds the combat system too difficult/awkward? I've been playing zzz for over 2 months now and the timings for dodging and parrying still don't make sense to me. It feels like they're diced out in the background and I can never get used to them.
And the opponents who are out of the picture, well, with a lot of luck I'll dodge them too.
And the opponents who are out of the picture, well, with a lot of luck I'll dodge them too.
ap_puff
Banned
Are you playing with sound on? There are clear audio cues for enemies that aren't on screen.
Spyxos
Member
Yep sound on.
ap_puff
Banned
Are you dodging too early? The timing windows are very lenient but sometimes they start later than you expect
Spyxos
Member
Sometimes too early, but usually too late.
Icymanipulator
Member
The way I saw it was that because I already have Piper, physical anomaly, I don’t really need Jane as much, since that role is fulfilled. Sure Jane will undoubtedly be more powerful, but I’m not having that many issues as is. Also of course, I’m saving for future characters.
ap_puff
Banned
Yep. Don't sweat power levels. People have cleared the hardest content in the game with Billy who you get for free.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Regular character action games tend to follow the devil may cry formula, where the enemies cannot attack you if they are off-screen, they have to actually move into your view before being able to attack, which of course can be exploited with clever use of the camera.
Platinum Games slightly changed this formula with transformers devastation, where enemies can attack whenever, however there's an indicator arrow that shows incoming enemy attacks.
Mihoyo basically completely copied this system for ZZZ, including the cross shaped flash that indicates an attack and the audio cues, however devastation's approach remains far more intuitive, the arrow for instance just flashes in ZZZ, sometimes it can flash for a long time (like with ranged attacks) which can mess up the dodge timing and the audio cues can get lost sometimes.
Icymanipulator
Member
For sure, after I got Billy a set of S ranks discs fully leveled up he felt like a new character lol, he’s great.