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[Agent_4Seven]

So, even though they added additional 10 levels ( ) to NESF, it literally makes no difference cuz I maxed it with again 2 weeks left of nothing in terms of rewards. But, there's a plus - I don't have to do anything except opening the store, drinking a coffy and scratching the card at the newspaper stand for two weeks! Well, I guess there's one time HZ refresh once a week but since I'm skipping everything until the very last day Miyabi will be available, I'll have more free time to play / do something else and plenty of time to farm stuff to max Miyabi and maybe do some stuff for other Ice agents I have as a bonus. These 3 easy skip opportunities in a row is like a blessing for me and I don't even have to burn the battery unless I really have to and can just pile it up to 2400K and use it later in one go. One other thing that bothers me though, is that the HZ license will end again in a week in my case and they won't add more levels until someone will yell at them again to do it (or rather it must be a complete reset - took a while to go to 60 even, like, at least 2 months) and even then it'll happen like after 40+ days in 1.4 at best.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

So, even though they added additional 10 levels ( ) to NESF, it literally makes no difference cuz I maxed it with again 2 weeks left of nothing in terms of rewards

This is a good thing, you don't want a pass that requires all your time to finish it, that's a good way to burn out your players by making if feel like work or making them feel like shit because they couldn't play for a few days, that's a good way to prevent the ones that bought the premium track from possibly spending money again as well; you always want a good amount of headroom, and they won't enable the nolifers either by having infinite rewards, when it's finished, it's finished, either just continue playing the game because you enjoy it, or just go do something else if you need to be incentivised by some arbitrary reward that isn't there anymore. It's fine to not boot it up for a couple days or even a week.

 

[Icymanipulator]

This is a good thing, you don't want a pass that requires all your time to finish it, that's a good way to burn out your players by making if feel like work or making them feel like shit because they couldn't play for a few days, that's a good way to prevent the ones that bought the premium track from possibly spending money again as well; you always want a good amount of headroom, and they won't enable the nolifers either by having infinite rewards, when it's finished, it's finished, either just continue playing the game because you enjoy it, or just go do something else if you need to be incentivised by some arbitrary reward that isn't there anymore. It's fine to not boot it up for a couple days or even a week.

100% this
Couldn’t agree more.
Perfectly said.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

It's fine to not boot it up for a couple days or even a week.

So you're saying that I must not claim polys I paid for (IK monthly sub of which almost 90 days remaining)? Not gonna happen.

Completely F2P people can just not play the game for a week or even more, but I can't for reasons I mentioned. What I can do though and like I said - HZ once a week and 2-3 min daily stuff to claim and pile battary energy, polys, tapes and such for Miyaby in January, but that's not counting events and such.

I'm not going to waste my time on HIA stuff, farm anything and waste battery energy unless they'll open double rewards for HIA again where I can farm stuff for Miyabi, or if they'll reset the thing they added to lvl up characters for free, cuz I'm already sick and tired of combat simulations and SD and welcome the days free from doing that.

I much rather play way more interesting rally missions with mini stories and way more stuff you can do, instead of boring and same old combat stuff over and over again. It boggles my mind that there's no dedicated rally stuff in HZ and SD still. WTF? They know people like rally stuff and doing nothing about it at all.

 

[ap_puff]

*edit* fake news

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

So you're saying that I must not claim polys I paid for

I don't believe I ever said anything like that, since it's not really relevant to my post about the battle pass.

 

[Pejo]

Finally beat chapter 4. Really enjoyed the story. The boss design is 10/10, shame he went from so imposing/tough looking in the cinematic to slow and easy in gameplay. Really like the Calydon crew.

Also man the tshirts of NPCs in the Outer Rim have been cracking me up. Purple "City Boy" tank top and "Cow Cow" shirt are my favorites so far. I like Lighter more than I was expecting to, as well. Not overly stupid like Anton, which is what I feared was going to happen to him. Also unexpected lore drops about Billy has me thinking that he's eventually gonna get a 5* alt, because his current 4* version sucks ass.

I like that the gameplay for the story stages was basically "Rally" type instead of a lot of the TV stuff. I don't hate the TV stuff, but the flow is so much nicer this way. Also first actual Wise/Belle lore drop. Not much, but enough to pique my interest.

Just when I had almost finished all the side content, now I'm back to 11+ quests in the list.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

I don't believe I ever said anything like that, since it's not really relevant to my post about the battle pass.

You said I can just stop playing for a few days if not a week, but if it wasn't meant for me, they Idk why did you quted me in the first place and said that. Also, I made very clear that I'm not one of the 100% F2P people several times in the thread so...

Anyway, the rewards are shit in the game for literally almost anything with 25-40 polys for this and that, but these small piles of shit add up overtime. So, when there's no more rewards, there's no reason to participate in endgame stuff more than once a week and it means that they want to incentivise you to pay cuz there's not enough polys / tapes (it's a way less of a problem with bangboos cuz they're permanent). Last I checked, I was getting around 12-13K polys per month (incl. IK sub) which is only enough for one 50/50 chance and you need at least 150-160 tapes in total to the character if you're at 50/50 like most of us are who got the character from the exclusive channel. Only just now they're started to give us some room to pile up polys and tapes after announcing 1.3 and leaks about 1.4's characters, but if it wasn't a thing... the only way for you to get the character is to pay lots of money for polys, but obviously it's different for each person cuz no one like everyone and everything.

It's not that you absolutely must get every character, cuz there's no reason to really when it comes to gettin' through story content, but most of the F2P rewards are not good and again at all, they're not giving people A rank characters as an option and alternative to Zhu and others to make it less of a problem, well, maybe Seth is an exception, but that's it. If rumors about the 1.4 are true, there won't be A rank characters in this update too.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

You said I can just stop playing for a few days if not a week, but if it wasn't meant for me, they Idk why did you quted me in the first place and said that.

Bruv, my reply was about your comment on the battle pass, it has no bearing on anything else you have going on.
Obviously if you've paid for something that requires you logging in then do so if you want your money's worth, but again, it's irrelevant to my post about the battle pass.

 

[ap_puff]

Finally beat chapter 4. Really enjoyed the story. The boss design is 10/10, shame he went from so imposing/tough looking in the cinematic to slow and easy in gameplay. Really like the Calydon crew.

Also man the tshirts of NPCs in the Outer Rim have been cracking me up. Purple "City Boy" tank top and "Cow Cow" shirt are my favorites so far. I like Lighter more than I was expecting to, as well. Not overly stupid like Anton, which is what I feared was going to happen to him. Also unexpected lore drops about Billy has me thinking that he's eventually gonna get a 5* alt, because his current 4* version sucks ass.

I like that the gameplay for the story stages was basically "Rally" type instead of a lot of the TV stuff. I don't hate the TV stuff, but the flow is so much nicer this way. Also first actual Wise/Belle lore drop. Not much, but enough to pique my interest.

Just when I had almost finished all the side content, now I'm back to 11+ quests in the list.

I think my one regret about chapter 4 was that the boss didn't become a playable character. Hoyo would have broken a shitload of revenue records if he was lmao... but seriously we need actually big dudes in these games, waste of an excellent character design

 

[TheTurboFD]

Burnice was such a great addition to my struggling roster. My Zhu, Caesar, Nicole carried as much as it could but now my Corin(who I still hate), Lycoan and Burnice helped me shred Shiyu Defense. I’m all S ranked except for ambush final. If I had a more fast attacker like Jane I could probably do it, Corin is just way to fkn slow. I’m hoping Yanagi +Burnice can carry me into the heavens .

 

[ap_puff]

Burnice was such a great addition to my struggling roster. My Zhu, Caesar, Nicole carried as much as it could but now my Corin(who I still hate), Lycoan and Burnice helped me shred Shiyu Defense. I’m all S ranked except for ambush final. If I had a more fast attacker like Jane I could probably do it, Corin is just way to fkn slow. I’m hoping Yanagi +Burnice can carry me into the heavens .

Use Lucy instead of corin and use her onfield if you're struggling in ambush

 

[Pejo]

Check out these Lego (maybe offbrand?) dioramas they are selling (only in CN for now).

 

[Agent_4Seven]

Here's some nice doc with all the monthly stats so far in regards to polys and stuff (it's updating every 5 min): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...-8CV_QroqxzhhNjiCZNV4IdzhyK3xbipZn9WD/pubhtml

In case someone interested WTF is going on and how the launch compares to the following months

 

[Aenima]

Here's some nice doc with all the monthly stats so far in regards to polys and stuff (it's updating every 5 min): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...-8CV_QroqxzhhNjiCZNV4IdzhyK3xbipZn9WD/pubhtml

In case someone interested WTF is going on and how the launch compares to the following months

Seems about right in my experience with the game since launch. After the launch content where you get a decent amount of resources for pulls, you will only get around 100 pulls per update, so thats only enough for 1 banner character, out of 2 per update, and only if you win the 50-50. Can only get more than that if lucky.

Considering the game still has engine banners and a dupe system to make your characters and engines stronger, i find this extremelly stingy.

Meanwhile Nikke is giving away around 200 free pulls + one brand new SSR Pilgrim character + 3 free dupes for that character + other stuff, just for the anniversary event.



Even the comment section if full of jabs at Hoyo

 

[Pejo]

Seems about right in my experience with the game since launch. After the launch content where you get a decent amount of resources for pulls, you will only get around 100 pulls per update, so thats only enough for 1 banner character, out of 2 per update, and only if you win the 50-50. Can only get more than that if lucky.

Considering the game still has engine banners and a dupe system to make your characters and engines stronger, i find this extremelly stingy.

Meanwhile Nikke is giving away around 200 free pulls + one brand new SSR Pilgrim character + 3 free dupes for that character + other stuff, just for the anniversary event.



Even the comment section if full of jabs at Hoyo

At least HoYo finally gave people a 5* selector this year for Genshin's 4th anniversary. usually they just give you a kick to the pants and 10 pulls and say "fuck off". And that's a multi BILLION dollar revenue game. That said, you can't really compare the dev costs and content from a game like Genshin/ZZZ and a L2D .png game like Nikke. I play both and I love Nikke, but it's a 10~ minute a day thing then you're done with it. ZZZ and Genshin specifically can provide hundreds of hours of gameplay, even disregarding daily chores/grind content.

But yea, HoYo found the pattern that make money and they are strictly sticking to it for all of their games. If you're not a collector, you can do totally fine F2P and pick and choose where you spend your resources, which is why I think it gets a pass pretty universally. If you want everything, you're paying though.

 

[Aenima]

I play both and I love Nikke, but it's a 10~ minute a day thing then you're done with it. ZZZ and Genshin specifically can provide hundreds of hours of gameplay, even disregarding daily chores/grind content.

Yet i play Nikke for 2 years and i still have content to do (Story hard mode, Climbing more in The Towers, still havent seen all characters stories as Nikke gets alot of new characters) While i already exausted everething ZZZ had to offer. Genshin open world ofered more, but ZZZ offer way less content than Nikke.

Its just depressing coming from Nikke where i can get every single character from the banners as a F2P just by using my resources, to ZZZ where i need to pick between 2 characters when i wish i could had both.

I know this is the formula Hoyo uses to make money based on FOMO, but i wish they were more generous about getting characters and did like Nikke that uses FOMO on limited Skins that are purely cosmetics. Nikke is a high grossing game that makes around 15 million a month and dont even have servers in china. Thers no reason to be that stingy to make money.

 

[Spyxos]

Seems about right in my experience with the game since launch. After the launch content where you get a decent amount of resources for pulls, you will only get around 100 pulls per update, so thats only enough for 1 banner character, out of 2 per update, and only if you win the 50-50. Can only get more than that if lucky.

Considering the game still has engine banners and a dupe system to make your characters and engines stronger, i find this extremelly stingy.

Meanwhile Nikke is giving away around 200 free pulls + one brand new SSR Pilgrim character + 3 free dupes for that character + other stuff, just for the anniversary event.



Even the comment section if full of jabs at Hoyo

Damn 200 free pulls ins zzz would be nice.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Let's not compare another's games anniversary with just regular updates for ZZZ, that doesn't make any sense; the different miyoho teams all seem to have different styles of handling celebrations, so let's at least wait till ZZZ's first anniversary to see if they will handle it as badly as the genshin team, or as good as the honkai team.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

Damn 200 free pulls ins zzz would be nice.

Let's not compare another's games anniversary with just regular updates for ZZZ, that doesn't make any sense; the different miyoho teams all seem to have different styles of handling celebrations, so let's at least wait till ZZZ's first anniversary to see if they will handle it as badly as the genshin team, or as good as the honkai team.

I can hardly wait to be extremely disappointed.

Aenima started playin' Nikke. Why characters that actually have clothes and covered parts look so much better in terms of design and art? Like, it feels like you're lookin' at a game which was made by NSFW Pixiv artists most of the time

 

[Doom85]

or as good as the honkai team.

Still in disbelief to this day they gave him away for free. And IIRC this didn’t even have anything to do with the anniversary, the team was just that happy to win Best Mobile Game at TGA that they wanted to give back to the fans. Holy based.

 

[Aenima]

Aenima started playin' Nikke. Why characters that actually have clothes and covered parts look so much better in terms of design and art? Like, it feels like you're lookin' at a game which was made by NSFW Pixiv artists most of the time

Nikke is a game for man of culture, i dont know what you'r talking about.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

If ZZZ wins a TGA award maybe we'll get a free 5* agent like they did last year in HSR with Dr. Ratio.

 

[Spyxos]

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

honkaixhonkai trailer

 

[Spyxos]

honkaixhonkai trailer

Wrong game ?

 

[Pejo]

Official Halloween art:

*edit*

Lmao, somebody actually drew it.

Spoiler

 

[Spyxos]

Finally did it. Ambush 5 was pretty hard. Any tipps for Withering Garden and Inferno Reap? I played them only once in the story.

 

[ap_puff]

Finally did it. Ambush 5 was pretty hard. Any tipps for Withering Garden and Inferno Reap? I played them only once in the story.

Withering garden is pretty easy, the point is to keep in mind maximizing the resonia you get to be effective in inferno reap. Once you start stacking like 8+ things of crit resonia + other damage resonia, you can easily do all the achievements related to inferno reap. It's literally just trying to minmax your buffs. Early on using nekomata as dps i went from not being able to clear 5m damage per run to being able to kill nineveh multiple times per run due to becoming more efficient with resonia stacking

 

[Icymanipulator]

Reminder to pull for Burnice before she’s gone

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

 

[Spyxos]

Skip or not to skip. I already have Ice, Fire, Anomaly and Ether teams. Having all 5 Elements sounds very expensive and almost unattainable.

 

[Pejo]

Hopefully the missing piece to bring my Electric team out of the gutter. People seem to be down on her design but I think she looks great.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

Out of all the agents besides Miyabi, she's the only one I would consider grttin' and I will be searching when she'll launch next week cuz I need to get rid of the 50/50 and get 100% for Miyabi in January. If I get her instead, fine, it's not like I can do anything about that anyway, better her than Lighter or dude from the 1.3.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Hopefully the missing piece to bring my Electric team out of the gutter. People seem to be down on her design but I think she looks great.

Looks like you're taking my job of making spicy ZZZ gifs haha. Top shelf gif, btw!

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Reminder to pull for Burnice before she’s gone

 

[Spyxos]

Some one pulling for Yanagi or Lighter? Or is this skip for most of you?

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

100% lighter

 

[Icymanipulator]

Some one pulling for Yanagi or Lighter? Or is this skip for most of you?

I’m likely saving til Miyabi at this point. Still recovering from pulling Burnice, and my game is more or less empty of poly now.

Haven’t really been keeping up with any of my gachas the last few days, the Monster Hunter Wilds beta has consumed my every waking moment.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Some one pulling for Yanagi or Lighter? Or is this skip for most of you?

I think I'll be skipping them both as I only have like 6k polys banked so far and my RNG in the limited banner has been poop since day one.

Will probably pull for Miyabi though.

 

[ap_puff]

Some one pulling for Yanagi or Lighter? Or is this skip for most of you?

I'm skipping both for now, i want miyabi and after that going to be saving for an ether dps

 

[Aenima]

Some one pulling for Yanagi or Lighter? Or is this skip for most of you?

Im all in on Yanagi, love her and i have a feeling she will be almost as strong as Jane Doe. I think Jane Doe will still be stronger cuz Jane Doe is strong even solo and Yanagi might need another anomaly unit that is not electric for the Disorder that is were one of Yanagi skills focus on. Main reason im kinda bummed down for not getting Burnice, cuz Burnice will be the best unit to use with Yanagi and i dont have enough polys to pull for them both so i chose going for Yanagi.

Then skip on both doods and pull again when Miyabi drops. I not the biggest Miyabi fan, but hopefuly she wil be as strong as her cutscenes make her look.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

Going through SD after refresh is a breeze, which goes to show just how BS it was before refresh with overturned x3 times HP bars. Sitting at 36 excl tapes right now and not using Boopons since new Bangboos (one of which is going to be free) are coming soon so I'm saving all of them for that. Already saved around 1500K of battery energy so hopefully the x2 times HIA rewards event will go live with the 1.3 update next week cuz soon I need to start spending it, idk why the cap is 3400K (1000K regular storage above 240 and 2400K in energy batteries), it doesn't make sense.

As for Miyabi, last I checked and strangely enough, outside of one image leak (no gameplay), there's no 100% guarantee that she'll be in 1.4, so unless they'll post her profile and stuff just like they did for the dude from her team already, it is safe to assume that they can delay her launch to 1.5 or even later. I mean, they must know that not a lot of people will be wasting their time and stuff to get the dudes and I'm sure that November will be the worst month for them in terms of income and even more so if Miyabi is not going to be in 1.4. But the lack of A rank characters are going to hurt them as well, cuz F2P people don't have an option for new A rank characters and Seth is probably doing nothing for them so here's where MHY are also leaving a lot of money on the table.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

standard banner decided to throw me a bone and give me c6 seth and anby 11's W-engine

 

[TheTurboFD]

Some one pulling for Yanagi or Lighter? Or is this skip for most of you?

Yanagi def since I grabbed Burnice. Gotta get rid of Corin somehow

 

[Aenima]

So i was looking at my 15k Polys thinking that it would be pretty great if i could get Burnice for my Yanagi team, so before saying goodbuy to her banner did 20 more pulls and Burnice came home. It took me 55 pulls to get her in total so not too bad.
Still have left 12k Polys and enough currency to trade in for 40 more tapes if i run out of polys. Should be enough to garantee Yanagi.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

So, they usually announce the second character from the next update (in this case 1.4) a day before release and if Miyabi won't be announced today (I mean, properly, like the rest of the agents) or this week at all even, it is safe to assume that she's not coming until much later (1.5-1.6 or who knows when) and if that's the case then they're seriously fucked with only one agent in 1.4 and a dude no less. I mean hell, we might even have a chance to stock pile stuff not only for Miyabi, but also for her signature W-engine in 2+ months. Speaking of W-Engines btw.... are they reduced the searches need for S rank W-Engine channel by 10 or am I seening things? I'm pretty sure it was 80 before, hmm...

If I were to guess as to what they'll do as an alternative for Miyabi in 1.4 is... well, the first agent re-run which'll feature Ellen and they'll be doing that instead of packing a bunch of agents into one banner like pretty much everyone is doing. It's not going to save their income though I don't think, let alone win over those who wanted Miyabi.

 

[Pejo]

So, they usually announce the second character from the next update (in this case 1.4) a day before release and if Miyabi won't be announced today (I mean, properly, like the rest of the agents) or this week at all even, it is safe to assume that she's not coming until much later (1.5-1.6 or who knows when) and if that's the case then they're seriously fucked with only one agent in 1.4 and a dude no less. I mean hell, we might even have a chance to stock pile stuff not only for Miyabi, but also for her signature W-engine in 2+ months. Speaking of W-Engines btw.... are they reduced the searches need for S rank W-Engine channel by 10 or am I seening things? I'm pretty sure it was 80 before, hmm...

If I were to guess as to what they'll do as an alternative for Miyabi in 1.4 is... well, the first agent re-run which'll feature Ellen and they'll be doing that instead of packing a bunch of agents into one banner like pretty much everyone is doing. It's not going to save their income though I don't think, let alone win over those who wanted Miyabi.

Isn't Miyabi rumored to be an Ice Attacker character too? If so, yea they probably want to rerun Ellen before they powercreep her with Miyabi. Personally I'm happy with the shark, so I'll probably skip Miyabi unless she's got some really fun/strong mechanic. 1.4 only having a dude and reruns is ideal for me, I'll be able to save that whole patch. Nothing past Yanagi that I've seen has me particularly excited. Hope we get some more Obol Squad characters soon so we can finally get S11's max friendship unlocked. It really annoys me that she's the only one that you can't max out currently, despite the wallpaper menu having an icon for her.

 

[Aenima]

Isn't Miyabi rumored to be an Ice Attacker character too? If so, yea they probably want to rerun Ellen before they powercreep her with Miyabi. Personally I'm happy with the shark, so I'll probably skip Miyabi unless she's got some really fun/strong mechanic. 1.4 only having a dude and reruns is ideal for me, I'll be able to save that whole patch. Nothing past Yanagi that I've seen has me particularly excited. Hope we get some more Obol Squad characters soon so we can finally get S11's max friendship unlocked. It really annoys me that she's the only one that you can't max out currently, despite the wallpaper menu having an icon for her.

Leaked info say Miyabi is Ice Anomaly and will be available in 1.4 update. Her banner should appear after Harumasa. So, if the leaks are correct, the banners should be: Yanagi -> Lighter -> Harumasa -> Miyabi

 

[Agent_4Seven]

Leaked info say Miyabi is Ice Anomaly and will be available in 1.4 update. Her banner should appear after Harumasa. So, if the leaks are correct, the banners should be: Yanagi -> Lighter -> Harumasa -> Miyabi

Nah, at this point only proper announcement and reveal can confirm Miyabi for 1.4. They're... like we're saying here in Russia - pulling the cat by the balls, meaning that they're deliberately dragging out time of the proper reveal cuz they know how popular she is and how stongly people want to have her and play as her. Lighter for example was supposed to be an A rank agent at first, but it all changed cuz people wanted him to be an S rank (ugh, I won't even try to understand why) and that alone would have affected Miyabi's addition to the game at a later date.

I mean, we'll see if I'm right or not this week for sure, but something tells me that we have to wait for our short fox girl a bit longer before we can finally see her standing on the box in the signal room