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[Cybrwzrd]

Twitter suspended Zerohedge today due to it's reporting on the Wuhan Coronavirus.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

These platforms have too much control over news reporting. Fuck Twitter. Banning media should be illegal.

It is pretty funny though, since Jack actually followed Zerohedge.

 

[poppabk]

Doxing some random scientist is the kinda stuff they should be banning.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

I remember reading an 'article' there once about some new CA law and it was so poorly written and purposefully misleading that I vowed never to go back.

It's like DailyKos for the right wing.

 

[VertigoOA]

And it’s arrived in NYC

Coronavirus Update: New York City Reports First Possible Local Case

According to health officials, testing to determine if the individual does in fact have coronavirus will take a minimum of 36-48 hours and depends on CDC testing capacity.

newyork.cbslocal.com

Motherfucker.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Doxing some random scientist is the kinda stuff they should be banning.

They didn't dox a random scientist. They posted publicly available info.

 

[poppabk]

They didn't dox a random scientist. They posted publicly available info.

Posting publicly available identifying information is still doxing when you link it to some bullshit weaponizing Corona virus conspiracy theory and then tell people to 'give him a visit'.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Posting publicly available identifying information is still doxing when you link it to some bullshit weaponizing Corona virus conspiracy theory and then tell people to 'give him a visit'.

This is the quote -

"Something tells us, if anyone wants to find out what really caused the coronavirus pandemic that has infected thousands of people in China and around the globe, they should probably pay Dr. Peng a visit. "

Doesn't sound threatening to me. I don't trust the CCP narrative, and am willing to keep an open mind as to the source of this virus. Occam's razor tells me that incompetence at a lab is more likely than some bat soup causing the disease.

 

[oagboghi2]

Posting publicly available identifying information is still doxing when you link it to some bullshit weaponizing Corona virus conspiracy theory and then tell people to 'give him a visit'.

Right dude, I’m sure that someone will read that blog, and next thing they know, jump on a flight to China

 

[poppabk]

This is the quote -

"Something tells us, if anyone wants to find out what really caused the coronavirus pandemic that has infected thousands of people in China and around the globe, they should probably pay Dr. Peng a visit. "

Doesn't sound threatening to me. I don't trust the CCP narrative, and am willing to keep an open mind as to the source of this virus. Occam's razor tells me that incompetence at a lab is more likely than some bat soup causing the disease.

"Something tells us, if anyone wants to find out what really caused the coronavirus pandemic that has infected thousands of people in China and around the globe, they should probably pay Dr. Peng a visit.

Or at least start with an email: Dr Peng can be reached at peng.zhou@wh.iov.cn, and his phone# is 87197311."
You missed the last part. If you don't believe this will lead to hundreds of not thousands of emails and calls from benignly stupid to threatening then you must be new to the internet.
Even if you entertain the idea that this is even related, how would harassing this guy help?
I am against all forms of internet vigilantism from getting racists fired, to #metoo dogpiles to this conspiracy crap. Considering the Johnny Depp story you would think people would be less tolerant of this bullshit, but I guess some people just love dragging people regardless of the requirement for evidence.

 

[Teletraan1]

Right dude, I’m sure that someone will read that blog, and next thing they know, jump on a flight to China

Right after they kill the whistleblower who literally everyone in the world knows who it is and is somehow still alive in Trump's America.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

"Something tells us, if anyone wants to find out what really caused the coronavirus pandemic that has infected thousands of people in China and around the globe, they should probably pay Dr. Peng a visit.

Or at least start with an email: Dr Peng can be reached at peng.zhou@wh.iov.cn, and his phone# is 87197311."
You missed the last part. If you don't believe this will lead to hundreds of not thousands of emails and calls from benignly stupid to threatening then you must be new to the internet.
Even if you entertain the idea that this is even related, how would harassing this guy help?
I am against all forms of internet vigilantism from getting racists fired, to #metoo dogpiles to this conspiracy crap. Considering the Johnny Depp story you would think people would be less tolerant of this bullshit, but I guess some people just love dragging people regardless of the requirement for evidence.

The guy works for a government owned lab, in a country with no accountability. I’m ok with him taking a little heat.

 

[Scopa]

The guy works for a government owned lab, in a country with no accountability. I’m ok with him taking a little heat.

You can be a braindead arsehole sometimes.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

You can be a braindead arsehole sometimes.

Naw, just an asshole

 

[Cybrwzrd]

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

 

[Rentahamster]

Occam's razor tells me that incompetence at a lab is more likely than some bat soup causing the disease.

Is it though?

"bat soup lol" isn't a serious theory to the origins of this new mutation.

You can't properly apply Occam's Razor if you don't understand the points of comparison.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Is it though?

"bat soup lol" isn't a serious theory to the origins of this new mutation.

You can't properly apply Occam's Razor if you don't understand the points of comparison.

Ok, the Chinese state media story is that it originated from a wet market in Wuhan that was selling exotic meats. The virus somehow passed from a bat to a human or an in between carrier animal at the market.

The conspiracy theory is that China was doing biomedical or bioweapon research at a lab that also is in Wuhan on the Corona virus and it got out somehow.

Should we just follow the Chinese state media's reporting and take it at it's face value?

 

[SentientStone]

Since we are talking about conspiracies, on the Chinese side, there's also a conspiracy saying that some foreign agents brought it in during the Military Games in Wuhan back in mid-October.

As for myself, I have my own conspiracy theories that involve the NWO on both sides.

 

[ScarletSpider]

Should we just follow the Chinese state media's reporting and take it at it's face value?

lmfao no

 

[Scopa]

Ok, the Chinese state media story is that it originated from a wet market in Wuhan that was selling exotic meats. The virus somehow passed from a bat to a human or an in between carrier animal at the market.

The conspiracy theory is that China was doing biomedical or bioweapon research at a lab that also is in Wuhan on the Corona virus and it got out somehow.

Should we just follow the Chinese state media's reporting and take it at it's face value?

Oh, you like conspiracy theories, huh? I’m sure then, that you are an advocate for the belief that the CIA invented the AIDS virus, yeah?

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Oh, you like conspiracy theories, huh? I’m sure then, that you are an advocate for the belief that the CIA invented the AIDS virus, yeah?

No. I am not an advocate of that.

 

[Scopa]

No. I am not an advocate of that.

Hoo ra.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Hoo ra.

If a novel new strain of virus happened to appear at this Kroger (a grocery store), and the Atlanta metro area was quarantined, would you not be willing to entertain alternatives to the official narrative?

You know there are videos of Chinese police welding apartment doors shut to keep people from going outside, right?

 

[Scopa]

If a novel new strain of virus happened to appear at this Kroger (a grocery store), and the Atlanta metro area was quarantined, would you not be willing to entertain alternatives to the official narrative?

I keep my mind open to any logical possibility.

This is why I point out your posts because you seem to have a track record of believing and advocating any and every China bad/Russia bad story that comes up and yet vehemently oppose any America bad opinion that is posted. I find this illogical and intellectually stunted. You are blinded by your patriotism from what I can observe.

You know there are videos of Chinese police welding apartment doors shut to keep people from going outside, right?

How does this prove your conspiracy that the Chinese government/military created this virus?

 

[Cybrwzrd]

This is why I point out your posts because you seem to have a track record of believing and advocating any and every China bad/Russia bad story that comes up and yet vehemently oppose any America bad opinion that is posted. I find this illogical and intellectually stunted. You are blinded by your patriotism from what I can observe.

Really? I don't think I have a track record of "China bad" or "Russia Bad". I am also plenty critical of the US. Why are you resorting to an ad hominem instead of making a case why I am wrong?

How does this prove your conspiracy that the Chinese government/military created this virus?

It doesn't, but actions speak louder than words. Also, no where did I say it was created, it could have just been a strain that research was being done on that escaped the lab accidentally.

 

[Scopa]

Really? I don't think I have a track record of "China bad" or "Russia Bad". I am also plenty critical of the US. Why are you resorting to an ad hominem instead of making a case why I am wrong?



It doesn't, but actions speak louder than words. Also, no where did I say it was created, it could have just been a strain that research was being done on that escaped the lab accidentally.

There is nothing to prove. At this stage it is a “he said, she said” without concrete proof and whenever an “enemy” of America (not my words, they’re your politician’s and military’s) has some negative press, that portrays them as evil and/or incompetent, my bullshit alarm starts sounding and reminds me to be cautiously skeptical. It’s hard not to be with the CIA’s history of clandestine acts and disinformation campaigns. So, I’m at the wait and see stage.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

There is nothing to prove. At this stage it is a “he said, she said” without concrete proof and whenever an “enemy” of America (not my words, they’re your politician’s and military’s) has some negative press, that portrays them as evil and/or incompetent, my bullshit alarm starts sounding and reminds me to be cautiously skeptical. It’s hard not to be with the CIA’s history of clandestine acts and disinformation campaigns. So, I’m at the wait and see stage.

Yes, the CIA has done plenty of things in their history both internationally and domestically that are quite terrible. That is all part of the whole deep state problem here.

As you say, though, there isn't any concrete proof of anything yet. I don't see about how speculation is a bad thing though.

I mean, this happened just last Tuesday.

Harvard University Professor and Two Chinese Nationals Charged in Three Separate China Related Cases

The Department of Justice announced today that the Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and two Chinese nationals have been charged in connection with aiding the People’s Republic of China.

www.justice.gov

 

[Chairman Tickles]

Muh it's not censorship because private corporation associated with Saudi Prince lulz

 

[Scopa]

Yes, the CIA has done plenty of things in their history both internationally and domestically that are quite terrible. That is all part of the whole deep state problem here.

As you say, though, there isn't any concrete proof of anything yet. I don't see about how speculation is a bad thing though.

I mean, this happened just last Tuesday.

Harvard University Professor and Two Chinese Nationals Charged in Three Separate China Related Cases

The Department of Justice announced today that the Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and two Chinese nationals have been charged in connection with aiding the People’s Republic of China.

www.justice.gov

But, why do you speculate that this is true about China and yet rule out other similar conspiracies like the CIA creating and distributing the AIDS virus? Why is one possible and the other false?

And I don’t see how that link is relevant. Do you think the USA doesn’t have spies in China? Or are you insinuating that China stole the virus from the USA? Because that would be hilarious and interesting.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

But, why do you speculate that this is true about China and yet rule out other similar conspiracies like the CIA creating and distributing the AIDS virus? Why is one possible and the other false?

And I don’t see how that link is relevant. Do you think the USA doesn’t have spies in China? Or are you insinuating that China stole the virus from the USA? Because that would be hilarious and interesting.

I am fairly certain that bio-engineering capabilities were not all that great back in the 20's when the virus jumped from Chimpanzees to Humans. The CIA didn't even exist back then. By the time the CIA was created in 1947, the US government was already thoroughly compromised by Soviet spies, mind you.

Now there was a Soviet campaign called Operation INFEKTION that wanted to place the blame on the US for the AIDS epidemic. And apparently it was decently successful, since it persists.

The Soviets were far better spies than the west ever was, and they had plenty of sympathizers to assist them. Authoritarian systems are much better at disinformation campaigns than democracies with free press and speech.

The link is relevant because it shows a total disregard to safety. One of the guys was literally caught smuggling samples in his socks and boarding an international flight. If they did steal it from the US, I agree, it would be interesting and funny.

 

[Scopa]

I am fairly certain that bio-engineering capabilities were not all that great back in the 20's when the virus jumped from Chimpanzees to Humans. The CIA didn't even exist back then. By the time the CIA was created in 1947, the US government was already thoroughly compromised by Soviet spies, mind you.

Now there was a Soviet campaign called Operation INFEKTION that wanted to place the blame on the US for the AIDS epidemic. And apparently it was decently successful, since it persists.

The Soviets were far better spies than the west ever was, and they had plenty of sympathizers to assist them. Authoritarian systems are much better at disinformation campaigns than democracies with free press and speech.

The link is relevant because it shows a total disregard to safety. One of the guys was literally caught smuggling samples in his socks and boarding an international flight. If they did steal it from the US, I agree, it would be interesting and funny.

So your answer is “no way it was America, it was most likely the Russians”. Lol.

You really are living up to my assumption.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

So your answer is “no way it was America, it was most likely the Russians”. Lol.

You really are living up to my assumption.

I didn't say the Russians. I said the Soviets. There is a difference.

But, go on with the fallacies. How about you provide some evidence to the contrary.

 

[Scopa]

I didn't say the Russians. I said the Soviets. There is a difference.

But, go on with the fallacies. How about you provide some evidence to the contrary.

There is documentation and dissertations out there that make the CIA/AIDS hypothesis believable. I was even reading one earlier today. But, what is the point of me wasting my time to research and post them? Are you going to change your mind? We both know you are not going to and I am not one to waste a lot of my time, especially on the internet in forum arguments because it ultimately achieves nothing.

If I genuinely believed that you were being honest and open-minded, I’d consider it, but I don’t believe that and for me, time is money. The time I spend doing your homework for you is time I can spend earning the paper. I’d rather do the latter.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

There is documentation and dissertations out there that make the CIA/AIDS hypothesis believable. I was even reading one earlier today. But, what is the point of me wasting my time to research and post them? Are you going to change your mind? We both know you are not going to and I am not one to waste a lot of my time, especially on the internet in forum arguments because it ultimately achieves nothing.

If I genuinely believed that you were being honest and open-minded, I’d consider it, but I don’t believe that and for me, time is money. The time I spend doing your homework for you is time I can spend earning the paper. I’d rather do the latter.

Continue to attack me instead of my argument.

I am fairly open minded, hence why I research things. If you were reading things earlier, those links should be readily available in your website history. So come on, prove me wrong. I'd love to see your evidence.

As to the virus at hand, this is an interesting read.

Moderately Strong Confirmation of a Laboratory Origin of 2019-nCoV

James Lyons-Weiler, PhD 2-2-2020 UPDATE – 2/9/2020 – IPAK HAS CONDUCTED FURTHER, IN-DEPTH STUDIES OF THE GENOMIC AN PROTEIN SEQUENCES OF THE 2019-nCoV CORONAVIRUSES AND THEIR RELATIVES …

jameslyonsweiler.com

 

[Scopa]

I am fairly open minded

I don’t believe you when it comes to the United States of America and it’s international relations. Your post history tells me different.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

I don’t believe you when it comes to the United States of America and it’s international relations. Your post history tells me different.

Keep deflecting.

 

[Rentahamster]

Ok, the Chinese state media story is that it originated from a wet market in Wuhan that was selling exotic meats. The virus somehow passed from a bat to a human or an in between carrier animal at the market.

It's not the "Chinese state media story". It's one of the current hypotheses, and it's a reasonable theory. Throughout history, open meat markets with poor sanitation have been a source of diseases jumping species:

The conspiracy theory is that China was doing biomedical or bioweapon research at a lab that also is in Wuhan on the Corona virus and it got out somehow.

OK, so what? Until we have any actual evidence, it's merely baseless speculation, which is entirely unhelpful.

China coronavirus: Misinformation spreads online about origin and scale

The outbreak of the new coronavirus has led to the spread of misleading videos and conspiracy theories online

www.bbc.com

'Bioweapon' conspiracies
Another baseless claim that has gone viral online suggests the virus was part of China's "covert biological weapons programme" and may have leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Many accounts pushing the theory cite two widely-shared Washington Times articles both of which quote a former Israeli military intelligence officer for the claim.

However, no evidence is provided for the claim in the two articles, and the Israeli source is quoted as saying that "so far there isn't evidence or indication" to suggest there was a leak.

The two articles have so far been posted to hundreds of different social accounts to a potential audience of millions.

The Daily Star published a similar piece last week, claiming the virus might have "started in a secret lab". However, it has since amended the piece to add there is no evidence for the claim.

Should we just follow the Chinese state media's reporting and take it at it's face value?

No. Should we take some non-expert's opinion on the subject? No, that's not a suitable alternative either.

What we should be doing is looking at what solid evidence is currently available and listening to a variety of experts on their educated opinions on the subject. Credibility and knowledge matters, and if a source is lacking in those features, it is less signal and more noise.

Mining coronavirus genomes for clues to the outbreak's origins

Theories abound about how the virus that’s now rampant in China made its way from bats (almost certainly) to humans

www.sciencemag.org

“One of the biggest takeaway messages [from the viral sequences] is that there was a single introduction into humans and then human-to-human spread,” says Trevor Bedford, a bioinformatics specialist at the University of Washington and Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center. The role of Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China, in spreading 2019-nCoV remains murky, though such sequencing, combined with sampling the market’s environment for the presence of the virus, is clarifying that it indeed had an important early role in amplifying the outbreak. The viral sequences, most researchers say, also knock down the idea the pathogen came from a virology institute in Wuhan.

If you let your fears succumb to confirmation bias, you can be lead to believe all kinds of unsubstantiated crap without any good reason to do so.

There isn't any good reason to believe conspiracy theories with no evidence. "China bad" isn't a good reason neither.

If you unironically fall down the same line of thinking as orange man bad, then you've lost the plot, I'm afraid.

 

[poppabk]

The guy works for a government owned lab, in a country with no accountability. I’m ok with him taking a little heat.

And what better time to harass an expert in virology than during a worldwide virus epidemic that he is at ground zero of.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Oh, you like conspiracy theories, huh? I’m sure then, that you are an advocate for the belief that the CIA invented the AIDS virus, yeah?

No the CIA invented LSD. AIDS wasn't invented by the US government.

 

[oagboghi2]

There is documentation and dissertations out there that make the CIA/AIDS hypothesis believable. I was even reading one earlier today. But, what is the point of me wasting my time to research and post them? Are you going to change your mind? We both know you are not going to and I am not one to waste a lot of my time, especially on the internet in forum arguments because it ultimately achieves nothing.

If I genuinely believed that you were being honest and open-minded, I’d consider it, but I don’t believe that and for me, time is money. The time I spend doing your homework for you is time I can spend earning the paper. I’d rather do the latter.

If you honestly believed that, you wouldn't be on GAF

 

[oagboghi2]

It's not the "Chinese state media story". It's one of the current hypotheses, and it's a reasonable theory. Throughout history, open meat markets with poor sanitation have been a source of diseases jumping species:




OK, so what? Until we have any actual evidence, it's merely baseless speculation, which is entirely unhelpful.

China coronavirus: Misinformation spreads online about origin and scale

The outbreak of the new coronavirus has led to the spread of misleading videos and conspiracy theories online

www.bbc.com

No. Should we take some non-expert's opinion on the subject? No, that's not a suitable alternative either.

What we should be doing is looking at what solid evidence is currently available and listening to a variety of experts on their educated opinions on the subject. Credibility and knowledge matters, and if a source is lacking in those features, it is less signal and more noise.

Mining coronavirus genomes for clues to the outbreak's origins

Theories abound about how the virus that’s now rampant in China made its way from bats (almost certainly) to humans

www.sciencemag.org

If you let your fears succumb to confirmation bias, you can be lead to believe all kinds of unsubstantiated crap without any good reason to do so.

There isn't any good reason to believe conspiracy theories with no evidence. "China bad" isn't a good reason neither.

If you unironically fall down the same line of thinking as orange man bad, then you've lost the plot, I'm afraid.

So you are just going to ignore the fact that China started out lying about this outbreak?They've already lost their credibility.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

It's not the "Chinese state media story". It's one of the current hypotheses, and it's a reasonable theory.

I didn't say the hypothesis isn't reasonable. But it is the state media story. All media in China is state run media.

The same state media that would report on the hospitals being completed before they were completed (you could watch the livestream of the construction) by using a photo of a prefab building that was for sale.

Amazing! Huoshenshan Hospital's 1st building completed in 16 hours! - Global Times

web.archive.org

Chinese State Media Spread A False Image Of A Hospital For Coronavirus Patients In Wuhan

The photo actually shows an apartment building.

www.buzzfeednews.com

If you let your fears succumb to confirmation bias, you can be lead to believe all kinds of unsubstantiated crap without any good reason to do so.

I am not letting my fears succumb to confirmation bias. Frankly I think the virus will be mostly contained to China.

That being said, there is enough smoke to check for embers here.

 

[V4skunk]

Oh, you like conspiracy theories, huh? I’m sure then, that you are an advocate for the belief that the CIA invented the AIDS virus, yeah?

AIDS is most certainly man made.
You'd be surprised if you did some actual research of what has gone on in the past! Like Syphilis being put into vaccinations and given to blacks in the US during the 50's and 60's.
people like you only believe what you see on tv or the MSM.

 

[12Goblins]

Imagine reading zerohedge and then criticizing China for their use of propaganda

 

[12Goblins]

AIDS is most certainly man made.
You'd be surprised if you did some actual research of what has gone on in the past! Like Syphilis being put into vaccinations and given to blacks in the US during the 50's and 60's.
people like you only believe what you see on tv or the MSM.

You know the stuff that's on TV or the MSM is infinitely more credible than the garbage you're rehashing from info wars tho right?

for instance, AIDS is most certainly NOT man made, because AIDS is the immune response and the most severe phase of the HIV virus. This is basic stuff that people who watch Info wars don't understand (because they are uneducated and brainwashed by fake news like info wars, zerohedge, etc).

 

[V4skunk]

You know the stuff that's on TV or the MSM is infinitely more credible than the garbage you're rehashing from info wars tho right?

for instance, AIDS is most certainly NOT man made, because AIDS is the immune response and the most severe phase of the HIV virus. This is basic stuff that people who watch Info wars don't understand (because they are uneducated and brainwashed by fake news like info wars, zerohedge, etc).

Did you even see the original Zerohedge article? I did.
It linked to an Indian scientists twitter post that claimed corona virus has the same delivery system as the aids virus and that the virus is either a bioweapon or a vaccine gone wrong.
The doxxing of the Chinese scientist is a smoke screen.

 

[oagboghi2]

Imagine reading zerohedge and then criticizing China for their use of propaganda

Imagine praising state run propaganda as a good thing

 

[12Goblins]

^Who's doing that?

 

[Scopa]

^Who's doing that?

Nobody. It’s just the usual suspects running in to plant their shields anytime someone criticizes America’s foreign policy or points out the fallacies in their blind faith and xenophobia.

Imagine believing that the U.S.A. doesn’t employ state run propaganda as well. The naivety is staggering.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Nobody. It’s just the usual suspects running in to plant their shields anytime someone criticizes America’s foreign policy or points out the fallacies in their blind faith and xenophobia.

Imagine believing that the U.S.A. doesn’t employ state run propaganda as well. The naivety is staggering.

What blind faith or xenophobia are we talking about? Do you think Zerohedge is an arm of American state media/propaganda?

 

[Nymphae]

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

A BuzzFeed senior reporter who accused Zero Hedge of 'doxing' a Chinese scientist has reportedly left a disturbing internet footprint rife with pedophilia and rape jokes... oh, and doxing the owners of a restaurant.