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[Red_Man]

Mad Men has a new peer. This fuck show! Is this just a one season deal or can I expect this to somehow be ongoing?

Too good.

Just looked at wiki, anthology style, eh? I like it. Very different.

If True Detective keeps up the quality through the 4 remaining episodes, it will be in another universe compared to Mad Men.

 

[bob page]

That final scene was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen, spanning film or TV.

Only 5 epsisodes and it's already one of the greatest shows ever made.

 

[Red_Man]

That final scene was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen, spanning film or TV.

Only 5 epsisodes and it's already one of the greatest shows ever made.

4*

And according to the writer, the good stuff is just getting started with the past episode.

 

[shira]

That final scene was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen, spanning film or TV.

What? It was a fine show but you must be watching some fucking garbage video in your life to make that kind of statement.
- The guy did at least 5 lines of coke
- Agreed to take a bunch of white bikers dressed up as cops to rob a black projects
- He gets apprehended by two black guys and disarms both of them, one with a bat - then is able to apprehend and basically escort/carry a biker through 1 house, 2 blocks, and over a fence
- Had the wherewithal to scope out the numbered addresses of a neighborhood he had never been to at night, called his partner to be at a location that he did not know will be safe in 90s when he could have been anywhere - and both of them triangulated perfectly to the perfect location at the exact same time

the good stuff is just getting started with the past episode.

every possible outcome is going to be a trope from the last 20 seasons of CSI, its all in the execution of the actors.

 

[Draconian]

Holy crap at that episode. That ending was absolutely nuts. Loved the lengthy take, and I agree with you guys, it looked more like something out of a Mann film than anything Cuaron has done (outside of it being a long take).

Why are we comparing this show to Mad Men now? I mean they're both good shows, but they have practically nothing in common outside of being dramas.

 

[Moppeh]

What? It was a fine show but you must be watching some fucking garbage video in your life to make that kind of statement.
- The guy did at least 5 lines of coke
- Agreed to take a bunch of white bikers dressed up as cops to rob a black projects
- He gets apprehended by two black guys and disarms both of them, one with a bat - then is able to aprehend and basically escort/carry a biker through 1 house, 2 blocks, and over a fence
- Had the wherewithal to scope out the numbered addresses of a neighborhood he had never been to at night, called his partner to be at a location that he did not know will be safe in 90s when he could have been anywhere - and both of them triangulated perfectly to the perfect location at the exact same time


every possible outcome is going to be a trope from the last 20 seasons of CSI, its all in the execution of the actors.

I don't think the big appeal for that scene is the plot progression or action sequences. It is the seamless shot. Well, that's what made it stand out to me, personally. It takes a lot of work to get a shot like that right and when it is done properly, it really adds a visual intensity to the whole scene.

 

[JCreasy]

- Had the wherewithal to scope out the numbered addresses of a neighborhood he had never been to at night, called his partner to be at a location that he did not know will be safe in 90s when he could have been anywhere - and both of them triangulated perfectly to the perfect location at the exact same time

Rust previously stated that he's familiar with that neighborhood. He talked about there being only one way in and out. He knew who the local dealers were over there.

Not out of the question that he'd give Marty accurate directions on where to pick him up.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

What? It was a fine show but you must be watching some fucking garbage video in your life to make that kind of statement.
- The guy did at least 5 lines of coke
- Agreed to take a bunch of white bikers dressed up as cops to rob a black projects
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Mistakes were made.

- He gets apprehended by two black guys and disarms both of them, one with a bat - then is able to apprehend and basically escort/carry a biker through 1 house, 2 blocks, and over a fence
- Had the wherewithal to scope out the numbered addresses of a neighborhood he had never been to at night, called his partner to be at a location that he did not know will be safe in 90s when he could have been anywhere - and both of them triangulated perfectly to the perfect location at the exact same time

He's just that damned good.

 

[James Woods]

What? It was a fine show but you must be watching some fucking garbage video in your life to make that kind of statement.
- The guy did at least 5 lines of coke
- Agreed to take a bunch of white bikers dressed up as cops to rob a black projects
- He gets apprehended by two black guys and disarms both of them, one with a bat - then is able to apprehend and basically escort/carry a biker through 1 house, 2 blocks, and over a fence
- Had the wherewithal to scope out the numbered addresses of a neighborhood he had never been to at night, called his partner to be at a location that he did not know will be safe in 90s when he could have been anywhere - and both of them triangulated perfectly to the perfect location at the exact same time


every possible outcome is going to be a trope from the last 20 seasons of CSI, its all in the execution of the actors.

It's an HBO show and this is neogaf. There will be hyperbole.

 

[Burt]

What? It was a fine show but you must be watching some fucking garbage video in your life to make that kind of statement.
- The guy did at least 5 lines of coke
- Agreed to take a bunch of white bikers dressed up as cops to rob a black projects

Dat cover, bruh. Doing what he had to to get to Reggie

- He gets apprehended by two black guys and disarms both of them, one with a bat - then is able to apprehend and basically escort/carry a biker through 1 house, 2 blocks, and over a fence

Has it not been established that Rust is a total hand-to-hand badass? It's a pretty commonly assumed fact that someone with the proper training can take down two angry streetfighting goons.

- Had the wherewithal to scope out the numbered addresses of a neighborhood he had never been to at night, called his partner to be at a location that he did not know will be safe in 90s when he could have been anywhere - and both of them triangulated perfectly to the perfect location at the exact same time

Not addresses, just blocks. "Between 18th and 19th on Amaretto in 90 seconds" or whatever it was. Not exactly rocket science. Although I will give it to you that I can't see a clear explanation for how Marty followed Rust close enough after he went down the river that he would be within a 90 second drive of him after receiving that phone call. Don't think I saw anything that showed that Marty would know where the stash house was.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I think I liked more parts of this episode than I disliked, a first for this show, so there's that. The opening scene was pretty good and I liked the stuff with the bikers. And of course the final shot was just spectacular.

 

[hamchan]

What? It was a fine show but you must be watching some fucking garbage video in your life to make that kind of statement.
- The guy did at least 5 lines of coke
- Agreed to take a bunch of white bikers dressed up as cops to rob a black projects
- He gets apprehended by two black guys and disarms both of them, one with a bat - then is able to apprehend and basically escort/carry a biker through 1 house, 2 blocks, and over a fence
- Had the wherewithal to scope out the numbered addresses of a neighborhood he had never been to at night, called his partner to be at a location that he did not know will be safe in 90s when he could have been anywhere - and both of them triangulated perfectly to the perfect location at the exact same time

Was this description of the plot supposed to be an argument against him thinking that scene was one of the most amazing things he's ever seen on film?

 

[Dresden]

Although I will give it to you that I can't see a clear explanation for how Marty followed Rust close enough after he went down the river that he would be within a 90 second drive of him after receiving that phone call. Don't think I saw anything that showed that Marty would know where the stash house was.

Figured this was covered by Marty keeping a close tab on the local police chatter.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

http://truedetectiveconversations.tumblr.com/

Lulz

 

[Tim the Wiz]

If there is one thing I hope True Detective's success brings it's less reluctance from TV execs to adopt the british style "series" of TV. Especially for networks. The one thing I really think hurts the quality of network television, especially dramas, is this desire to have 18-22 episode seasons (which inevitably leads to lower quality filler content) and having shows drag on for seasons and seasons.

If anything, I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner, especially at the network level. Having shorter series runs would potentially make it much more attractive to bigger stars who normally wouldn't want to commit to a longer show run we are used to.

Absolutely. Shorter seasons would allow for more directors like Fukunaga to take ambitious risks and make an impact on television. So far - so far! - I don't think this show's trajectory will quite reach the level of The Sopranos, The Wire, Breaking Bad, etc., but on a filmmaking level, it blows all of them away and then some. Hell, it's blowing away much of recent Hollywood filmmaking in general.

 

[Burt]

Figured this was covered by Marty keeping a close tab on the local police chatter.

It fits, but is still a stretch given the speed at which it all happened.

Even if someone called as soon as they approaches the house, that still leaves literally only 6 minutes and ten or so seconds for Marty to get from wherever he was to that street. Given that people outside were still trying to figure out if they were cops for the first minute or so, I would say the cops were probably called with about five minutes left, and even that's generous.

Considering that Rust went off in a boat that Marty couldn't follow and then took a car ride to a separate place, the odds of Marty being in the same area, let alone within a five minute drive are pretty darn low. Marty didn't know they were going to rob a stash house in some projects, which would've at least given him some idea of where to head towards. The way it played out though, they could've been literally anywhere that could be gotten to in the time between Rust riding off on the boat and his phone call. But even with the time necessary for the police to register the call then get it out on the radio and them have Marty identify that it was Rust and the bikers and get from where ever he was to that general area, he was still able to make it to Rust in 90 seconds.

Unless I missed some sort of police surveillance that was continuously on Ginger that would've clued Marty in on where to go before the robbery started, it's miraculous that he made it there when driving five minutes in any other direction would've made him late.

Ack I don't want to complain. I'm not complaining. It was awesome.

Edit: or he just knew where Ginger's house was, made a good guess, and followed them out of there, although I can't remember Rust ever talking about who "his guy" actually was to Marty.

 

[Pocks]

It fits, but is still a stretch given the speed at which it all happened.

Even if someone called as soon as they approaches the house, that still leaves literally only 6 minutes and ten or so seconds for Marty to get from wherever he was to that street. Given that people outside were still trying to figure out if they were cops for the first minute or so, I would say the cops were probably called with about five minutes left, and even that's generous.

Considering that Rust went off in a boat that Marty couldn't follow and then took a car ride to a separate place, the odds of Marty being in the same area, let alone within a five minute drive are pretty darn low. Marty didn't know they were going to rob a stash house in some projects, which would've at least given him some idea of where to head towards. The way it played out though, they could've been literally anywhere that could be gotten to in the time between Rust riding off on the boat and his phone call. But even with the time necessary for the police to register the call then get it out on the radio and them have Marty identify that it was Rust and the bikers and get from where ever he was to that general area, he was still able to make it to Rust in 90 seconds.

Unless I missed some sort of police surveillance that was continuously on Ginger that would've clued Marty in on where to go before the robbery started, it's miraculous that he made it there when driving five minutes in any other direction would've made him late.

Ack I don't want to complain. I'm not complaining. It was awesome.

Edit: or he just knew where Ginger's house was, made a good guess, and followed them out of there, although I can't remember Rust ever talking about who "his guy" actually was to Marty.

Rust told Marty to pay attention to the Beaumont police scanner. Marty heard the Hoston projects mentioned on the scanner. Although only a possible public nuisance was reported, the scanner indicated they air portal on those projects. In his next scene, he is shown driving on the Interstate toward Beaumont. It's safe to say he was headed to the general vicinity of the Hoston projects.

The helicopter can be heard at after the gunshots at about 51:30, the phone call to Marty ends at 52:38, and they meet at 54:48.

Marty arrived ~3m to 4m after the helicopter is heard on camera.

3 or 4 minutes is pushing it, but I don't think it's too far of a stretch. Specifically, I don't think it's too much to believe that Marty made the drug connection between the Iron Crusaders and an air patrolled housing project and headed in that direction.

 

[Dmax3901]

Rust previously stated that he's familiar with that neighborhood. He talked about there being only one way in and out. He knew who the local dealers were over there.

Not out of the question that he'd give Marty accurate directions on where to pick him up.

Also they're cops, it makes sense for them to be familiar with the projects.

EDIT: Just watched it, incredible. Everything about that last shot has no doubt been said, but god damn what an amazing culmination of everything cinematic, acting, action, sound, god damn.

 

[ralexand]

Haha, ok, so Marty just assumed Russ was still in Beaumont, TX? He could have been in a different town over. It's not like he was texting him where he was non stop or something. Russ just calls him yells out random street names and runs out.

Do we know the extent of that body of water? Couldn't it simply be a small body of water?

 

[OrlanisWorks]

Just watched the episode. That last bit was really great, even with the "90 second" spiel.

I was sorta freaked out at the very last shot of the police cars and the loads of extras, which looked like the policemen were absolutely fucked. Crazy tension.

 

[xbhaskarx]

Just watched the latest episode... I'm still not sure what happened in the last ten minutes.

If we wanna do a really good derail I was sorta blown away (not in a good or bad way) when I realized Talking Heads "Stop Making Sense" wasn't actually a single concert. I always thought man these guys are like the greatest live act in the history of live acts. It was actually 2 or 3 nights if I remember correctly. It's still the greatest concert movie ever (I don't like to rank TV series or movies but for this one I'm sure).

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, but I completely agree.

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

If True Detective keeps up the quality through the 4 remaining episodes, it will be in another universe compared to Mad Men.

yo, I heard you have a bag of apples. Can I send you a bag of oranges so you can compare them? I trust you analysis wholeheartedly. Thanks

 

[Frost_Ace]

I think I liked more parts of this episode than I disliked, a first for this show, so there's that. The opening scene was pretty good and I liked the stuff with the bikers. And of course the final shot was just spectacular.

I feel exactly the same.

 

[mapla]

The direction work of the last scene was absolutely stunning.

 

[Solo]

Just watched the latest episode... I'm still not sure what happened in the last ten minutes

Rust realized that sticking to his cover and following Ginger was goi8ng to get him killed within minutes, so he improvised and dropped the charade, like a coked out gunslinger boss.

 

[Erico]

Wow, like others have said, that shot was the real deal.

I still think the investigation plot is too much of a clinical, point A to B to C process. The detectives question one person, whose purpose is just to give the name of another person to question, etc. That one person for this episode was the man Marty interrogated at the rave for the name of the biker gang, which added nothing much other than neat cinematography.

The stash house heist, as cool as it was, is a huge digression from the main investigation. Then again, it gave an amazing glimpse into Cohle's past as a semi-rogue vice cop. And I guess that's the point. What's driving my enjoyment of the show right now is the interludes and digressions in between another Point A to Point B of the investigation where you get real character development of the detectives and the interplay of dialogue between them. It also seems like the detectives' reactions to a new plot point are more interesting than the plot point itself, like how the detectives handled the interrogation at the prison this episode.

I'm totally OK with this, and I'm loving the show. And with a name like True Detective, it's fitting for show to be more of a character-driven study of Marty and Cohle rather than a who-dunnit mystery. The killer is probably Reverend Tuttle anyways.

 

[Talon]

Really loved how that helicopter shot at the end showed the absolute clustercuss that Rust left in his wake. The "Crash" name was a bit on the nose, but I didn't mind too much.

 

[backflip10019]

That shot, god damn. I need to rewatch that entire sequence a few times. One of the best scenes I've ever seen.

 

[lamaroo]

Rust realized that sticking to his cover and following Ginger was goi8ng to get him killed within minutes, so he improvised and dropped the charade, like a coked out gunslinger boss.

Yeah, he even says "I should have just fucking done this from the start" when he's dragging him out of the house.

 

[Dmncnby2k9]

Im loving this show more and more. The final sequence was so good. had me on the edge of my seat. MMc is deserve an emmy for this shit. man has been great. Harrelson too.Cant stand being on the sidelines too long tried to get into the back area of the bar, thought that was funny.

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

How long does it take HBO to typically release shows digitally on iTunes or Google play? When they release the blu ray and DVD?

 

[dem]

I gotta say.. if anything "the shot" just took me out of the show.
It was so unrealistic.. like all of the sudden I was watching mission impossible.


The storyline so far is.. eh. Nothing blowing me away yet. The only thing keeping me in it is harrelson/mcconaughey chemistry.

 

[Talon]

I will never understand the critique of "it's not realistic" to television shows that depict either:

a. zombies
b. insane, ritualized murder
c. drug busts gone tits up

 

[Davey Cakes]

I thought the long take was really impressive and intense.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Shira banned for blaspheming.

Wow, like others have said, that shot was the real deal.

I still think the investigation plot is too much of a clinical, point A to B to C process. The detectives question one person, whose purpose is just to give the name of another person to question, etc. That one person for this episode was the man Marty interrogated at the rave for the name of the biker gang, which added nothing much other than neat cinematography.

The stash house heist, as cool as it was, is a huge digression from the main investigation. Then again, it gave an amazing glimpse into Cohle's past as a semi-rogue vice cop. And I guess that's the point. What's driving my enjoyment of the show right now is the interludes and digressions in between another Point A to Point B of the investigation where you get real character development of the detectives and the interplay of dialogue between them. It also seems like the detectives' reactions to a new plot point are more interesting than the plot point itself, like how the detectives handled the interrogation at the prison this episode.

I'm totally OK with this, and I'm loving the show. And with a name like True Detective, it's fitting for show to be more of a character-driven study of Marty and Cohle rather than a who-dunnit mystery. The killer is probably Reverend Tuttle anyways.

I'm okay with it, too. It's actually kinda similar to Hannibal, which did a worse job of just inserting procedural content in a character-driven show. TD has such intense character investment early in the season, it works.

 

[Byakuya769]

Holy crap at that episode. That ending was absolutely nuts. Loved the lengthy take, and I agree with you guys, it looked more like something out of a Mann film than anything Cuaron has done (outside of it being a long take).

Why are we comparing this show to Mad Men now? I mean they're both good shows, but they have practically nothing in common outside of being dramas.

I just say that as an evaluation of the quality of the characters, acting and plot. Nothing could happen in True Detective other than Marty and Russ talking for an hour and I think I'd enjoy the episode.

 

[see5harp]

Just watched the latest episode... I'm still not sure what happened in the last ten minutes.



I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, but I completely agree.

It was an analogy to the single shot at the end of episode 4. I always thought that Stop Making Sense was a single grand show but in reality I think it was 2 or 3 nights edited together. Plus, we were all taking it way off topic.

 

[wedward]

If True Detective keeps up the quality through the 4 remaining episodes, it will be in another universe compared to Mad Men.

The writing is nowhere near the quality of Mad Men.

Production values, maybe.

 

[CrAzYLeGzLU]

That last scene...damn. It was even crazier for me considering I actually live in Beaumont so it was pretty crazy to see such a crummy town get some screen time.

 

[PBY]

The writing is nowhere near the quality of Mad Men.

Production values, maybe.

Its... just so different. I personally think Mad Men is way better- but we're working off waaaay more episodes. Both shows have different goals and scopes, its a fruitless exercise to compare the 2.

 

[Cornballer]

- The Atlantic: True Detective: The Best Show on TV

 

[RustyNails]

Just watched the latest episode... I'm still not sure what happened in the last ten minutes.

Mogadishu happened.

One of the biker dudes shot one of the guys and all hell breaks loose.

 

[Cornballer]

- Alyssa Rosenberg: Why The ‘True Detective’ Shot That Has Everyone Talking Is Overrated

 

[cackhyena]

- Alyssa Rosenberg: Why The ‘True Detective’ Shot That Has Everyone Talking Is Overrated

"True Detective would be wise to remember that it’s not just how you deploy your lens, but what you put in front of it that counts."

 

[AkuMifune]

Sometimes I think our ancestors were right to stone witches.

 

[RustyNails]

Glad shira got banned. Theres room for discussion and then there's flamebaiting.

Anyways, the guy's name is Rust not Russ. Secondly, Marty spots him with the bikers going across the river. He figures out that they are not in the iron gang bar or whatever its called, and tries to follow them across the river, which happened to be beaumont. He stops there and waits for the call. I thought that was clear. What would have been unrealistic is if he was still waiting at the bar and reached Rust in 90 seconds.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

- Alyssa Rosenberg: Why The ‘True Detective’ Shot That Has Everyone Talking Is Overrated

a superbly generic showdown between two of television’s most overused criminal tropes, a black gang from the projects with access to surprisingly sophisticated weaponry, and a tweaked-out gang of white guys with luxurious facial hair.

I feel like she missed the point entirely...

Spoiler

Also getting access high powered weaponry isn't all that hard...

 

[Draconian]

- Alyssa Rosenberg: Why The ‘True Detective’ Shot That Has Everyone Talking Is Overrated

Should point out that this article has spoilers from season one of The Wire in it. I bailed out at that point because I'd like to watch it someday. Anyway, does Rosenberg forget where this TV show is even set? I'm not an expert on Louisiana, but I don't see why it's shocking that either of these two groups exist. She seems to be grasping for straws.

 

[dave is ok]

- Alyssa Rosenberg: Why The ‘True Detective’ Shot That Has Everyone Talking Is Overrated

The Armond White of TV critics

 

[Dany]

- Alyssa Rosenberg: Why The ‘True Detective’ Shot That Has Everyone Talking Is Overrated

Wut

Ginger has luxurious facial hair...

Wut