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[Merino]

Just caught up on the last episode and WOW. That was some riveting television.
As a visual ethnographer I've always been a fan of long takes and this one was certainly at the Cuaron/Lubezki level.

Also McConaughey is crazy good and I adore his nihilistic character. Can't wait for the second half of the season.

 

[AkuMifune]

One of my favorite scenes from last episode was Maggie calling out Rust on his BS:

"At the end of the day you duck under rationalization same as any of them."

BOOM!

I saw that as her reaching. And when he walked away that confirmed it. Rust will engage with anyone, until they've proven too ignorant or stubborn to bother with.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

I saw that as her reaching. And when he walked away that confirmed it. Rust will engage with anyone, until they've proven too ignorant or stubborn to bother with.

I think it also kind of served as a terrific contrast to how he talks to criminals. In many ways he's way more comfortable in that "Outlaw life" than he is with normal folks.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

back to the show:

Taken from the True Detective subreddit.

Maggie is not wrong though. Rust is using rationalizations to escape dealing with his grief. I mean, you don't have a great literary reader to know that much, but there is that "I know who I am" line and the way he says it, juxtaposed with his speech on the authority of religious convincing. He doesn't 'say it', he's preaching it (to himself).

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

I saw that as her reaching. And when he walked away that confirmed it. Rust will engage with anyone, until they've proven too ignorant or stubborn to bother with.

yeah. I think Rust was there solely to help out Marty, he had no dog in that fight outside of getting Marty's head in the game. Rust framed the conversation as making the kids the focus, not the relationship. When Maggie got emotional and brought up Rust's past, he was done.

Obviously she was still understandably hurt, it probably wasn't the best time to try a logical approach and appeal to reason when everything was still so fresh.

 

[jtb]

I'm surprised so many people took Rusts' side (well, not really, the show is really in love with his nihilism) with that discussion. Obviously the writers were probably hoping we would, since they gave Maggie such a blatantly bitchy line at the end, but I thought she was right before that.

yeah. I think Rust was there solely to help out Marty, he had no dog in that fight outside of getting Marty's head in the game. Rust framed the conversation as making the kids the focus, not the relationship. When Maggie got emotional and brought up Rust's past, he was done.

Obviously she was still understandably hurt, it probably wasn't the best time to try a logical approach and appeal to reason when everything was still so fresh.

I agree, Rust was def there just to get Marty on board. especially when he lied to Marty's face about the marriage being salvageable so that he would go to Texas with him.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

back to the show:



Maggie is not wrong though. Rust is using rationalizations to escape dealing with his grief. I mean, you don't have a great literary reader to know that much, but there is that "I know who I am" line and the way he says it, juxtaposed with his speech on the authority of religious convincing. He doesn't 'say it', he's preaching it (to himself).

Denial has been a pretty strong theme in this show. Each character is in denial about different things.

 

[tycoonheart]

I saw that as her reaching. And when he walked away that confirmed it. Rust will engage with anyone, until they've proven too ignorant or stubborn to bother with.

The reason Rust walked away was the "you must've been a great husband" comment.

But the first part of what Maggie says is so true. Rust is no different than Marty. Marty had this bogus rationalization for cheating on his wife (needing to "decompress"). And Rust's explanation to Maggie (men and women are there just to make kids, or whatever it was he said) wasn't much different.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Has this been posted?

 

[see5harp]

I remember seeing that poster before the show aired in this thread.

 

[Cornballer]

Has this been posted?

It's in the OP.

 

[kirblar]

I'm surprised so many people took Rusts' side (well, not really, the show is really in love with his nihilism) with that discussion. Obviously the writers were probably hoping we would, since they gave Maggie such a blatantly bitchy line at the end, but I thought she was right before that.

It's a blatantly bitchy one, but it's also completely understandable for her to mix in a hard truth (Rust is hiding behind his nihilistic monologues) with a low blow, given how upsetting the situation with Marty was. Rust probably didn't have a full grasp of just how much the situation had devolved until that conversation. Maggie's definitely a voice of truth/reason in the series.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

It's in the OP.

Ha, I just got an email from HBO saying it's a new product. That's what I get for not checking.

Also,

Do people really buy stuff that advertises a show in the most generic way possible?

 

[Defunkled]

Just bought this poster from the HBO Store.

http://store.hbo.com/true-detective-touch-darkness-poster-11x17/detail.php?p=506911&v=hbo_shows_true-detective

 

[Klocker]

- Warming Glow with a look at 10 other impressive tracking shots from TV and film (spoilers for other media)


.

nice, been immediately thinking of PTA tracking shots when this came up... love his directing

forgot about Goodfellas...

 

[Klocker]

back to the show:



Maggie is not wrong though. Rust is using rationalizations to escape dealing with his grief. I mean, you don't have a great literary reader to know that much, but there is that "I know who I am" line and the way he says it, juxtaposed with his speech on the authority of religious convincing. He doesn't 'say it', he's preaching it (to himself).

we also have to remember that part of him seeing Maggie was self-preservation.

he stated clearly, he needs Marty to be clear headed and he needed something to give him hope about to keep him focused as he has his back


edit, sorry for dp

 

[Socreges]

But the first part of what Maggie says is so true. Rust is no different than Marty. Marty had this bogus rationalization for cheating on his wife (needing to "decompress"). And Rust's explanation to Maggie (men and women are there just to make kids, or whatever it was he said) wasn't much different.

I'm surprised so many people took Rusts' side (well, not really, the show is really in love with his nihilism) with that discussion. Obviously the writers were probably hoping we would, since they gave Maggie such a blatantly bitchy line at the end, but I thought she was right before that.

Ehh, I kinda disagree with you guys. I don't think it's so simple. They're both right, in a way, but they're coming from different angles. Maggie sees it as a rationalization to excuse Marty's behaviour, but Rust is just making a case (imo, a very good case) for Marty needing to see his kids.

I agree, Rust was def there just to get Marty on board. especially when he lied to Marty's face about the marriage being salvageable so that he would go to Texas with him.

Another hint toward that is the lead-in with 'Old Rust's' foreshadowing: "My old man ... said I had no loyalty." It's not loyalty, exactly, since he's got his own interests, but he may have thought of it as such.

 

[Cornballer]

@TVMoJoe: Sunday's TRUE DETECTIVE on HBO averaged 2M viewers in its initial play, best since premiere (2.3M).

Good to hear the numbers are holding up after the break.

 

[FirstBlood]

That AV Club review pointed out the Boogie Down Productions track in the strip club but not Sleep's Holy Mountain & the Melvins A History of Bad Men playing in the Biker bar?

Weak.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Good to hear the numbers are holding up after the break.

This show has consistently gotten critical praise, right? I imagine there is alotta hype and wonder behind it.

I find it refreshing, I'm not saying that all television shows are predictable, but it's nice to watch something and literally have no idea what is going to happen next in terms of direction or narration. I am completely flying blind and there is little indicator what's going to happen next within the show. The previews show a bit but it does a good job of keeping most things hidden.

 

[Dany]

Ha, I just got an email from HBO saying it's a new product. That's what I get for not checking.

Also,

Do people really buy stuff that advertises a show in the most generic way possible?

well..

Just bought this poster from the HBO Store.

http://store.hbo.com/true-detective-touch-darkness-poster-11x17/detail.php?p=506911&v=hbo_shows_true-detective

smh

 

[Anton Sugar]

Honestly, if they offered any stills from the intro for purchase, I'd buy them.

 

[Defunkled]

well..


smh

You don't like the poster? I think it looks slick as hell.

 

[see5harp]

Honestly, if they offered any stills from the intro for purchase, I'd buy them.

I'm probably going to wait for some artist takes on the show. I'm always never in time to grab a limited print but I think I'll keep an eye out this time.

EDIT: I like the poster but like the below poster I don't want a HBO logo or date. That poster for Hannibal looks super amazing.

 

[lamaroo]

I couldn't buy anything that still said the starting date on it, or HBO. If it was just art for the show I would though.

 

[Ranger Taffles]

Those final minutes had one of the best long-takes I've seen. This episode was on a whole new level of intensity.

 

[AngmarsKing701]

Great episode. Fantastic finish. Gotta admit that if MMc and Woody weren't absolutely killing their parts that this might not get the praise it's getting.

 

[Socreges]

Great episode. Fantastic finish. Gotta admit that if MMc and Woody weren't absolutely killing their parts that this might not get the praise it's getting.

Well, it'd still get praise. But the show is premised entirely on two characters and their relationship. The quality hinges on their performances. And I don't think HBO would have gotten that casting wrong if they weren't available.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Christ, the last sequence of that episode was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen from a TV show. Flawless execution.

 

[Invictus]

Thank you. I'll give it a listen on my way home.

I hope you find the podcast better than I did. I found it almost unlistenable.

 

[AngmarsKing701]

Well, it'd still get praise. But the show is premised entirely on two characters and their relationship. The quality hinges on their performances. And I don't think HBO would have gotten that casting wrong if they weren't available.

Agreed. Definitely highlights the challenge of casting. They got it right here by a landslide. Hope they can pull that magic off again next season.

 

[TrAcEr_x90]

Honestly, if they offered any stills from the intro for purchase, I'd buy them.

I have rewatched that intro I dont know how many times. Such amazing Motion Design.

 

[TrAcEr_x90]

I just really love how fleshed out these characters are and how quick the story is moving, in time.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Why did rust borrow the lawn mower

Why did the black guy who rust hit in the back hold his head afterwards

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Why did rust borrow the lawn mower

Why did the black guy who rust hit in the back hold his head afterwards

Lmao.


A Black guy holding his head after being hit? What a Cliche...


This show is overrated, obviously it's just a rip-off of the Wire and Adventure Time

 

[TrAcEr_x90]

Why did rust borrow the lawn mower

Why did the black guy who rust hit in the back hold his head afterwards

I rewatched the scene, it seemed to be like the black dude realized rust had a fun, or he also might have figured out in the brief moment he was a undercover cop...maybe

 

[Ramirez]

Just bought this poster from the HBO Store.

http://store.hbo.com/true-detective-touch-darkness-poster-11x17/detail.php?p=506911&v=hbo_shows_true-detective

This would be amazing with just the darkness quote, why do they have to ruin it with all of the other text? They do the same shit with Game of Thrones, ugh.

 

[Erico]

So Rust told Marty that his meeting with his wife went well and that he honestly sees them back together in a few months.

That's a pretty huge lie. I'm pretty sure he didn't do it to spare Marty's feelings, but to make sure Marty would be clear headed and reliable as his backup during the biker gang infiltration.
Wonder how that's going to play out once Marty finds out.

 

[Draconian]

This would be amazing with just the darkness quote, why do they have to ruin it with all of the other text? They do the same shit with Game of Thrones, ugh.

So people who see it know when it comes on? Are you really asking this?

 

[nilbog21]

Why did rust borrow the lawn mower

Why did the black guy who rust hit in the back hold his head afterwards

lol true doesnt rust live in an apt?

 

[see5harp]

lol true doesnt rust live in an apt?

Even if he didn't, surely he understands the futility of cutting the grass. Wouldn't he just let the grass die and stop watering? The only logical thing seems to be that he enjoyed dinner with his family and wanted an excuse to go back and show off the pecs.

 

[Kadayi]

The reason Rust walked away was the "you must've been a great husband" comment.

Yeah that was a great line. She cut him pretty deep there and he didn't really have a comeback so walking was the best option versus getting into some trash talk that wouldn't of done him any good. Cohle is a control freak at the end of the day and that must of been pushing his emotion buttons something fierce I suspect.

Christ, the last sequence of that episode was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen from a TV show. Flawless execution.

For sure. Albeit a slightly different set up and certainly technically more impressive I'd say it's up there with the cousins/Hank shootout in BB for all out epic TV moments.

Even if he didn't, surely he understands the futility of cutting the grass. Wouldn't he just let the grass die and stop watering? The only logical thing seems to be that he enjoyed dinner with his family and wanted an excuse to go back and show off the pecs.

Probably took his shirt off when he did as well

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Yeah that was a great line. She cut him pretty deep there and he didn't really have a comeback so walking was the best option versus getting into some trash talk that wouldn't of done him any good. Cohle is a control freak at the end of the day and that must of been pushing his emotion buttons something fierce I suspect.

It seemed like after that scene he was almost too eager to go undercover again.

 

[lamaroo]

Rust has an upstairs btw.

I know people are only talking about Harrelson and McConaughey, but it's not like they're the only ones bringing it. Even the kids they have playing Marty's children were really good. I haven't had one person's acting take me out of the show yet, aside from maybe the two black guys Rust fought last episode.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

For sure. Albeit a slightly different set up and certainly technically more impressive I'd say it's up there with the cousins/Hank shootout in BB for all out epic TV moments.

Well to be honest, if we're talking about any action scenes, I'd say Strike Back is the most consistently insane show of all time just due to the sheer number of action set pieces they do over the course of a season. The True Detective long take was still really good though, and up there, if not the best action scene from a pure dramatic series.

 

[brianjones]

Yeah that was a great line. She cut him pretty deep there and he didn't really have a comeback so walking was the best option versus getting into some trash talk that wouldn't of done him any good. Cohle is a control freak at the end of the day and that must of been pushing his emotion buttons something fierce I suspect.

great line? seemed totally out of line .. she doesn't know anything about his marriage

thats why rust left her sitting there like a clown to stew over how stupid that was

 

[SCHUEY F1]

Rust has an upstairs btw.

I know people are only talking about Harrelson and McConaughey, but it's not like they're the only ones bringing it. Even the kids they have playing Marty's children were really good. I haven't had one person's acting take me out of the show yet, aside from maybe the two black guys Rust fought last episode.

Keep your racism in the NHL thread ok

 

[Kadayi]

The True Detective long take was still really good though, and up there, if not the best action scene from a pure dramatic series.

I'm only talking drama. I mean jez Spartacus had some mad action scenes, but that was a guilty pleasure versus a show like TD that is at least attempting to exist within a conceivable reality.

great line? seemed totally out of line .. she doesn't know anything about his marriage

thats why rust left her sitting there like a clown to stew over how stupid that was

Please, she knew he was serving her horse shit and she called him on it. It was meant to hurt. Him walking away was throwing down his bluff.

 

[brianjones]

Please, she knew he was serving her horse shit and she called him on it. It was meant to hurt. Him walking away was throwing down his bluff.

what is he supposed to do? its a really awkward position to be put in between a married couple on the outs

theres really nothing he can say about marty thats gonna make everything OK

 

[kirblar]

Rust has an upstairs btw.

I know people are only talking about Harrelson and McConaughey, but it's not like they're the only ones bringing it. Even the kids they have playing Marty's children were really good. I haven't had one person's acting take me out of the show yet, aside from maybe the two black guys Rust fought last episode.

I loved that reveal.