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Mass murderer Breivik threatened hunger strike over Rayman Revolution

dazzlerazzle said:
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Hangman's not THAT bad, if a little rudimentary.
 
No death sentence to him. Will be the easy way out.

All the parties, even the conservatives and liberals in Norway are against death penalty because it's pre-historic.
 
Yaoibot said:
Not sure how much of a "human rights" activist one can be when he murdered like 70 people (if I recall). I know this story is a bit sensationalized, but it turns my stomach just to hear him making any sort of accusations about 'injustice'. Give him nothing. Sounds like a hotel stay compared to the US prison system.
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Is giving someone nothing really the standard we want for prisons? I know the emotional desire in humans is for some level of revenge, but what does it accomplish? The victims are dead. In practice, the family members of the victim wanting a deeper sort of revenge should not be considered in the way we treat prisoners. And such a system only works if we commit to helping even the worst offenders, not just those with crimes that don't send chills up ones spine.

A very illuminating movie called "Longford" is a true story about a member of the cabinet on the UK who was a supporter of prisoners and rehabilitation, and he destroyed his reputation defending a female who was a convicted child murderer and rapist, arguably the most infamous crime in the UK at the time. It's quite interesting to approach the idea of forgiveness even for the darkest amongst us, and why simply making ones like that suffer is not really gaining anyone anything.
 
Oh you poor thing... Murder 77 people and still have access to luxuries that many free people can't even own/afford.

Amir0x said:
Is giving someone nothing really the standard we want for prisons? I know the emotional desire in humans is for some level of revenge, but what does it accomplish? The victims are dead. In practice, the family members of the victim wanting a deeper sort of revenge should not be considered in the way we treat prisoners. And such a system only works if we commit to helping even the worst offenders, not just those with crimes that don't send chills up ones spine.

A very illuminating movie called "Longford" is a true story about a member of the cabinet on the UK who was a supporter of prisoners and rehabilitation, and he destroyed his reputation defending a female who was a convicted child murderer and rapist, arguably the most infamous crime in the UK at the time. It's quite interesting to approach the idea of forgiveness even for the darkest amongst us, and why simply making ones like that suffer is not really gaining anyone anything.
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What kind of example does it set when you can end the lives of dozens of young people and still live a relatively comfortable life of your own?
 
Well, claiming you 'trained' yourself to murder real people with Modern Warfare 2 isn't exactly going to help your cause. If I didn't know much about the medium I'd only give kids games to someone like him too.

Wait, let me take that back, I wouldn't give ANY games to him. People like Breivik don't deserve our nice EU-West prisons and their good living conditions.
 
Norwegian prisons sure sound like the pits. I mean, golly, you only get a PS2? Does he also only get two scoops of ice cream for dessert instead of three like the guys over in C Block get?
 
Amir0x said:
Is giving someone nothing really the standard we want for prisons? I know the emotional desire in humans is for some level of revenge, but what does it accomplish? The victims are dead. In practice, the family members of the victim wanting a deeper sort of revenge should not be considered in the way we treat prisoners. And such a system only works if we commit to helping even the worst offenders, not just those with crimes that don't send chills up ones spine.

A very illuminating movie called "Longford" is a true story about a member of the cabinet on the UK who was a supporter of prisoners and rehabilitation, and he destroyed his reputation defending a female who was a convicted child murderer and rapist, arguably the most infamous crime in the UK at the time. It's quite interesting to approach the idea of forgiveness even for the darkest amongst us, and why simply making ones like that suffer is not really gaining anyone anything.
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The prison systems goal we have here in Norway is to rehabilitate, not punish.
 
fantomena said:
The prison systems goal we have here in Norway is to rehabilitate, not punish.
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Oh I know (and I support it). I was specifically responding to this idea of his:

Yaoibot said:
it turns my stomach just to hear him making any sort of accusations about 'injustice'. Give him nothing. Sounds like a hotel stay compared to the US prison system.
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It seems to me this is not productive to approach prison in that way imo. Thankfully as you suggest, Norway does not.
 
It says two things that this guy in Scandinavia who killed 77 people is being treated better than an North American who is found with an ounce of pot.

There should be a prisoner exchange program, for real. Canadians would love to serve out a stint in Norway for minor non-violent crimes. As a Canadian, we can make a nice, PlayStationless cell available for Breivik tomorrow. Shivving dependent on if our inmates get the PS4.
 
Guy is a gigantic fucking cunt and doesn't deserve shit.

Though, I guess I'd be ok with forcing Bubsy 3D or Superman 64 on him. Like, 24/7. He can't do anything but 'play' those.

He thought killing all those people was a good thing. He thinks of himself as a 'human rights activist' guy is a fucking sick deluded cunt who acts like a baby.
 
lordchompy said:
To play devil's advocate: as ridiculous as this sounds to an American, if other inmates are getting a wider selection of games and the ability to socialize, shouldn't he at least get some of his wishes? Otherwise the whole system of less-than-punitive measures for prisoners in Norway comes into question and it really does become a civil rights issue.

But Rayman Revolution of all games? Yeesh.
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Well, he is in isolation probably for his own protection. Who would socialise with him in prison? He massacred dozens of teenagers.

Also, I don't think access to a wider selection of games is considered a human right. In most countries, he would have a few books and that is it.
 
It's mind boggling he is complaining when you see how comfortable his cell is. It looks like my room in college.

He should be sent America's toughest prisons documentary to show how good he had it.
 
Aquamarine said:
Yeah, I'm baffled by that too.

"Oh, he killed 77 people in a brutal rampage, but let's not let him rot in prison forever...that's too harsh! He should be free after 21 years!"

What the hell.
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Shosai said:
Only 21 years?
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Don't believe 21 years is a set prison sentence, he'll get evaluated at the end of 21 years to see if he is refit to enter society. It's more accurate to say he got life, with a possibility of parole in 21 years.
 
IS Breivik in genpop or is he isolated for his protection? Are violent offenders placed in higher security prisons? Are prison assaults common?

I only ask because in NA Breivik would have to be segregated completely, because other prisoners would absolutely want to kill him.
 
Piggus said:
Brevik will never be released from prison so I don't know how that's rehabilitation. With this specific case your system is contradicting itself.
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Of course he won't, but I have no intention to kill him. I would gladly pay taxes which let's the state get money to pay for his prison time. Im a supporter for medium to high taxes.

And Im even one of the people he want to kill (Im a member of AUF, the Labour partys youth organization).
 
Piggus said:
What kind of example does it set when you can end the lives of dozens of young people and still live a relatively comfortable life of your own?
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I don't know what the standard for 'relatively comfortable' is, but the point is that extreme harsh penalties are not actual deterrents to criminals who commit crimes of this magnitude (look how little good the death penalty does, statistics prove), and since that seems to be one of the only actual real-world reasons people seem to want to continue to do these things (outside of pure revenge), I'm not sure it's sound.

This guy is probably never going to get out of prison. But what would it say about a system that itself commits to cruelty against prisoners because they can't think of a good way to rehabilitate? Studies have been done on the astonishingly negative impact that long-term confinement in prison can have on ones mental state, to say nothing of solitary confinement. It destroys the human condition over the long term, no matter how frequently you can play Rayman Revolutions.

The issue then is to try to create an environment that minimizes the dehumanizing aspects as much as possible, while still providing society with a way to be safe from criminals. To that end, it doesn't matter how "comfortable" the prisoner is relatively speaking, because as long as society is safe from them, the most important goal is being met. After that it's about ensuring that in the event the prisoner is released, they can acclimate back into society... something that's incredibly difficult if the stigma follows them in job hunts, if they've been abused by a prison system that isolated them to such a degree they can no longer function in the real world. Prisoners need to be educated, guided as much as possible, provided with conditions that do the best as possible to fight the degrading mental effects of prison, and rehabilitation needs to be the central purpose. Because it directly relates to the health of society at large.

But let's be serious, even with conveniences like watching TV and playing videogames, it's not a hotel. Prisons are usually regimented, people have to go to bed at certain times, there's no real freedom. And the loss of freedom is in of itself the punishment.
 
To be fair, Rayman Revolution has forced tutorials out the ass for stuff the other versions of the game assumed you could figure out on your own. He's not wrong in his assessment of who the game is aimed at.
 
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